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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:18 pm

    NationalRus wrote:come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none
    Pyrrus wrote:This occurs in every country where emigrants come to. Actually, it should be taken for granted like a kind of the contract only
    That's why it is essential that only Europeans or Americans are allowed to come in as immigrants .

    From my own experience in the UK it's the blacks , hindoos ,other asians who come in as immigrants and thereafter create problems . Then there is the problem of 2nd gen immigrants . What do you do with the kids of these immigrants who are born in your country ? Deport them . Impossible .

    Immigration is good BUT only if you allow people from your own race and NOT some wretched third world race.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:50 pm

    Sorry guys, but can anyone tell me how come Macedonia is not on the above list?
    I guess Russians don't really care about people of Slavic origin who also happen to be Orthodox Christians, coming from a land where the Cyrillic alphabet was invented...

    Just havin' a laugh really Laughing ...not interested in a serious debate today...

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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  BTRfan on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:If they're highly skilled then why not from anywhere?

    Keep in mind that in China they do a lot of skills padding, they need an engineer so they give a high school graduate with two classes in electronics or electrical theory the title of "electrical engineer" where to EARN such a title in the USA takes about 40 college level classes over a 4 year period.


    My father has encountered Chinese "electrical engineers" who knew less than American electronic technicians.


    With that in mind, just realize that job titles can be misleading.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:55 pm

    NickM wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:come for time, nearly anyone, come for ever? nearly none
    Pyrrus wrote:This occurs in every country where emigrants come to. Actually, it should be taken for granted like a kind of the contract only
    That's why it is essential that only Europeans or Americans are allowed to come in as immigrants .

    From my own experience in the UK it's the blacks , hindoos ,other asians who come in as immigrants and thereafter create problems . Then there is the problem of 2nd gen immigrants . What do you do with the kids of these immigrants who are born in your country ? Deport them . Impossible .

    Immigration is good BUT only if you allow people from your own race and NOT some wretched third world race.
    somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    NationalRus wrote: should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .

    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:21 pm

    NickM wrote:
    NationalRus wrote: should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .

    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .
    muslims converting to christianity well if that happens maybe they can stay, some arab partly caucasian christians like in syria etc, hve nothing against them comming and if adopting to our country staying in smal nummbers

    everybody else has a contract, a work visa after that he goes home, sombody to diffrent shouldnt stay in our countr notonly for some "racial issues" but for harmony and peace all together, they have ther countrys we have ours, we should have adopted a proper immigrant work structure long ago like a lot of countrys like the UAE, the come have ther own "worker citys" were they stay with eachother, get drived to work, get driven back, have proper rigistration, acces to healthcare and work contracts with on time pay and no possibility of scam, after ther are done, all ther money is on ther accounts overseas, no ripping off and they get a free plane ticket right back home to ther familiys wifes and kids good for them good for us and everybody is happy
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:28 pm

    NationalRus wrote:somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    Oh, cheers Laughing Good to know you like Slavic Orthodox Christians who write Cyrillic Very Happy 

    NickM wrote:But then the blacks , hindoos , muslims will come convert to Russian Orthodox and start living . What happens then .
    I know a number of hindoos who converted to Anglican or Catholic in the UK & US .
    Well, I said I'm not up to a serious conversation today (we're celebrating The Transfiguration today - old calendar style...), but, mate:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NickM on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:34 pm

    macedonian wrote:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
    That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:40 pm

    NickM wrote:That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
    Tell that to my mate...he's an Orthodox monk in a Convent in Africa. Couldn't agree less with that. (though, I agree - if one lives in a western country it DOES seem quite impossible...)
    But, matter of fact is - many of the Saints we celebrate today are of Arabic origin.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  TR1 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:56 pm

    Somebody too different shouldn't stay in Russia?
    SO what about all the Muslim Russians? All the Tartars? All the various ethnicities? They also shouldn't stay?

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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:59 pm

    he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:01 pm

    NickM wrote:
    macedonian wrote:


    Orthodox Christianity is NOTHING like Anglican or Catholic.
    Bear that in mind.
    That's an exception , not the rule . Blacks cannot become Orthodox Christians .You know , I know .
    How can blacks NOT become Orthodox Christians if Oriental Orthodox Christianity is in fact the most wide-spread religion in Ethiopia?


    D'oh!
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:04 pm

    NationalRus wrote:somthing like that, come for time, yes nearly anyone i stand by that but who wants to stay longer or for ever should be identical to our culture and values = all slavic people (yes macedonians as well Very Happy  ), white christians/jews, people who will adopt easy in time to our people culture and values, everybody like muslims/blacks/liberals should only be allowed to come work in a strongly time based contract earn ther pay, exchange ther knowledge and go back home to ther motherland
    lol!

    What'ya got against liberals son?
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  TR1 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:06 pm

    Some Russians have a "Teh liberals destroying Christian mother-Russia!" complex going on.

    Cause Putin and his band of thieves, or old commie farts are better.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:07 pm

    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    Not sure if I understood you correct, BUT, ARE YOU SAYING that my friend who is a white Macedonian Orthodox Christian shouldn't live in Africa because it's not his indigenous land, that of his ancestors?!
    Cause he feels at home there, he says.


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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  macedonian on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:How can blacks NOT become Orthodox Christians if Oriental Orthodox Christianity is in fact the most wide-spread religion in Ethiopia?


    D'oh!
    Duh...Perhaps they can be a part of the one third (1/3) of Muslims there?
    Duh?!
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:10 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    Not sure if I understood you correct, BUT, ARE YOU SAYING that my friend who is a white Macedonian Orthodox Christian shouldn't live in Africa because it's not his indigenous land, that of his ancestors?!
    Cause he feels at home there, he says.
    well wich part of africa, i would consider sout africa as historicly partly white, and yes if they dont want him ther then then he should go to his country, he is a guest and if they are ok with it then he is welcome


    they have nothing productive to offer other then personal technical knowledge (if they have any, case by case like with everybody) in the mather of ther profession, and overall ther worldview is destructive in its roots, or they are nonecaring selfcentred (in the good case) like the typical i dont give a shit about anthing i just want my beer after work, and in in the bad case they are actevly destructive and aggresevly offensive in ther liberalistic view, i live in germany sourounded by a great amount off emotionaly-reactionary liberals, if somene on TV would only even say that he doesnt support gay marriege and belives in traditionaly family values he would be called out like in the next 3 hours by 25 diffrent liberal groups across the country who would accuse him of being a fascist and maybe even supporting hitler and that he should be never on air agan and politcal parties would need go and denounce him in the open saying they dont want to have anything to do with him

    liberalism is a fascist totalitarian and self-destructive ideology, i cant support it and i cant welcome it in my country
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  Regular on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:28 pm

    NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?

    We are talking about high skilled specialists here. Be they gay, liberal, black. Ethnic background, political views or butt pirating will not matter much when this person will generate revenue. Russian colleges and universities are not in the best shape at the moment and brain influx wouldn't hurt

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    Post  BTRfan on Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:51 am

    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?

    We are talking about high skilled specialists here. Be they gay, liberal, black. Ethnic background, political views or butt pirating will not matter much when this person will generate revenue. Russian colleges and universities are not in the best shape at the moment and brain influx wouldn't hurt


    I'm not interested in helping prop up corporations by allowing them to import "highly skilled specialists" from foreign countries.

    There are several hundred thousand under-employed and unemployed engineers and engineering technicians in the USA, we don't need to import any new ones from China or India.


    For that matter, I would rather America revert to a largely agricultural based economy than be an economy focused on heavy industry if being focused on heavy industry came at the price of having to accept 15 million Indians and 20 million Chinese into the nation.


    There are things more important than the profit margins of the major global corporations.


    With that said, keep in mind that there are millions of people in the USA who have training, some even have varying amounts of experience, yet they are out of work.

    Companies would prefer to hire an Indian or Chinese engineer who barely speaks English and doesn't really qualify as an engineer by American/Western standards, instead of giving the job to a young White American man who just graduated college.
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:02 am

    What's the reason for that then? Can they do their job right? I know that immigrant from non-EU country would be kicked out with flying colours if he would not do his job. No income = permission to stay is terminated.

    I know that immigrants set the wages back, but still local work force should be able to compete. You see chinese immigrant in Lithuania has to obtain permission to stay in the country - if he bucks it up - he hits the road. He becomes like a serf to company where he is employed as it's the only link that keeps him here. But believe it or not Chinese workers proved to be happy with this position and are responsible, well mannered, quick learners - not like other immigrants we get from Caucasus mountains.  There are hardly social support for our own citizen so it's not even remotely attractive to fortune seekers to bring their families here so work is 1 thing in their head. I can only show respect to them
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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:05 am

    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
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    Post  NationalRus on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:58 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
    first if you want to go deep ethnical i am 25% baltic blood wise, second i always respected the countrys were i live and actaully integrated myself well like nearly al russians, in comparison to turks and muslims who cant even speak the language right in the 3rd generation livin here and all over europe, and i explained quite extensive why i fucking PERSONALY wouldent welcome them, but yeah its easyer just give give back some fucking stupid 1 sentence just live a liberal who would cal you fascist if his brain had to much, bunsh of trash Rolling Eyes and yeah python, maybe becouse im a white well intergrated christian that the basicaly all germans with who you speak dont see you ass a immigrant anymore but part of them and are actaully surprised when you say you a a foreigner

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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:26 pm

    NationalRus wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:NationalRus You are fricking immigrant Yourself. You are not germanic or baltic but lived in their lands. Or You only care when other ethnic groups go to Russia?
    Yea but he don't count. He white.
    first if you want to go deep ethnical i am 25% baltic blood wise, second i always respected the countrys were i live and actaully integrated myself well like nearly al russians, in comparison to turks and muslims who cant even speak the language right in the 3rd generation livin here and all over europe, and i explained quite extensive why i fucking PERSONALY wouldent welcome them, but yeah its easyer just give give back some fucking stupid 1 sentence just live a liberal who would cal you fascist if his brain had to much, bunsh of trash :roll:and yeah python, maybe becouse im a white well intergrated christian that the basicaly all germans with who you speak dont see you ass a immigrant anymore but part of them and are actaully surprised when you say you a a foreigner
    You are baltic ?? Thats why you are bit xenophobic .But then I agree that turks and muslims are a bunch of big provocateurs themselves.

    What do you feel about the people from sub continent ?I means hindus,sikhs or indian christians or buddhists.

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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  vK_man on Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:31 pm

    NationalRus wrote:he can be a orthodox christian, but he will be a factor in distorting the ethnial and recial balance in a historic white christian nation, it will be artificial made negative influence, yes i said it! and its true, everybody has ther country, ther homeland were he is welcome and can live in peace and in harmony with his fellow borthers and sisters and we have one to and YES we like to keep it also we have already enough of our indiginous people who lived and adopted with us since several centuries, creating artificial more ethnic groups and increasing artificial the muslim peoplulaton beyond even the caucasian region, its stupid and its selfdestructing madness
    This white christian nation won't help Russia .It will take you back in the kievan rus era . And muslim population is decreasing in Russia due to proselytizing by Orthodox Church

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    Re: Immigration implications on Russian society

    Post  Firebird on Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:13 pm

    I think if its ultra skilled people ( I mean like scientific geniuses etc) in very small numbers it doesn't matter that much where they are from... to some extent - in terms of working with them.

    The problem comes when they have 16kids who become radical islamist maniacs etc...

    But I think CIS countries like Belarus, the Eastern part of the Ukraine etc are the natural alliance. Then Slavic countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Cz Rep -some of which used to be part of Russia anyway (I'm thinking bits of Poland etc). Then Central Asian CIS (which has an affinity, but also a potential problem with some Islamics etc). Some western Europeans could potentially emigrate and integrate.
    But integration is vital.

    But its all dependent on numbers. I mean some Russians in the F East have some Chinese/Mongol blood,and are true Russians. But I dont think anyone would want 20m Chinese emigrating to Russia...

    Putin makes sense in making it easier for people of Imperial Russian descent to emigrate to Russia.
    These people will have blood ties, affinity and hopefully patriotism/pride in Russia.

    I hope Russia doesn't fall into the idiotic trap that W Europe has fallen into. Britain, France and places are building up massive problems. Russia still has a national unity in many ways, and long may it continue.

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