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    Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

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    Vladimir79

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:43 am

    PTURBG wrote:

    No, given that you can see join date infer from there, and given that I want to prove a point.
    Textwalls are also very easy to see while skimming through threads.
    You accused me of trolling. Now youre accusing me of being previously banned. Youre grasping at straws.

    Can mods remove this meaningless discussion?

    Considering you have a cross IP with a banned account would explain it better. Now you have two banned accounts.
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    flamming_python

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 pm

    PTURBG wrote:This is absolutely disgusting. Russia needs new frigates. India doesnt and shouldnt get them because its friendly with the US.

    India is friendly to India. And our interests mostly match closely to them, we have no rivalries over anything, and we have a history of co-operation and close ties.

    What's going to be on those Talwars that's going to be all that interesting to the US anyhow.

    Might as well export them and make some money. We can't induct them into our own fleet.. well we can, but they won't be much good without powerplants.

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    BTW Cruiser Moskva will be modernized. Oh well would be great to have radars, avionics and P-500 replaced by Onyx.

    Not to mention the S-300F to be replaced by Redut with 40N6, 48N6 and 9M96 missiles Twisted Evil
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    AlfaT8

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Not to mention the S-300F to be replaced by Redut with 40N6, 48N6 and 9M96 missiles Twisted Evil

    What???
    The Redut is a navalised S-350, it only uses the 9M96/E2 and 9M100.
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    GarryB

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:24 pm

    What???
    The Redut is a navalised S-350, it only uses the 9M96/E2 and 9M100.

    Original model Rif has a range of about 90km... the long range 9M96 has better range and performance... in fact late model BUKs have comparable range and better accuracy than the first model S-300s.

    The real question is... will S-350 at sea use individual tubes for each 9M96, or will they be bigger tubes for old S-300 missiles with four S-350s packed in each one and potentially more of the 9M100s packed in each tube so that larger missiles could also be carried in reduced capacities...

    Certainly the ability to reach some threats at 400km would be useful to shoot down launch platforms instead of their munitions, but it is unlikely any launched munitions would be engaged at more than 60km and probably rather less distance, so 9M96 would be fine...

    Might as well export them and make some money. We can't induct them into our own fleet.. well we can, but they won't be much good without powerplants.

    The problem is that they were built for the Russian Navy to begin with so the Indians might want more foreign components added, but that would not be a huge issue.

    Selling them to India and starting all Russian component models would benefit the Russian Navy even if their will be a delay.

    I would use the contract to crank up production of the Russian propulsion systems so that Russian navy production can ramp up faster and more capacity would be spare for export models as well... screw the orcs...

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