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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:22 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:The rumoured names of the 7th, 8th and 9th Project 11356 class frigates.

    Admiral Kolchak
    Admiral Lazarev
    Admiral Klokachev

    There will be 3 more? i thought were only 6 for black sea fleet

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:11 pm

    Another confirmation (better safe than sorry Very Happy )

    All Russian project 11356 will have Shilt-1 VLS thumbsup 


    The first sets of the latest SAM "Calm" Russian Navy will receive the 2014


    MOSCOW, Sept. 23 - RIA Novosti. Russian Navy in 2014, will receive the first modular sets of the latest anti-missile (SAM) "Calm" under construction for a series of six frigates of Project 11356, told RIA Novosti on Monday, CEO of the holding "Aviation" Maxim Kuzyuk .

    "Calm" is a complex air defense ships medium range. According Kuzyuk, the complex is able to deal with any existing and future aircraft weapons.

    "Supplies to the Russian Navy will begin in 2014. We plan to put six sets of SAM" Calm "for ships (Project 11356) to 2016", - said Kuzyuk.

    One of the main advantages of "Calm" in comparison with "old" complexes, according to the CEO of the holding is its rate of fire, since the interval between the start of rockets is less than two seconds.

    "Innovative solutions <...> allow you to post" Calm "on ships of various tonnage, adding a number of modules (one module 12 missiles.) The original technical solution allows the use of small rockets as well as the middle class" - added Kuzyuk.

    In the latest SAM launcher provides vertical launch, in which the rocket is released from the powder catapult transport and launch container to a height of 25 meters, and has already started at this height boosters.



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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Austin on Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:38 pm

    Not Bad , Hope they go for 3 more ships of this class , India is planning to go for 3 more of this class.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:30 pm

    Austin wrote:Not Bad , Hope they go for 3 more ships of this class , India is planning to go for 3 more of this class.
    Right now, its important that Russia gets these ships as they need more ships in the water. Plus, these ships are pretty heavy hitters and with shtil-1, they will have strong defence. So they should order more. I wonder if they can be upgraded to polimont-redut later on?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:18 pm

    Viktor wrote:Another confirmation (better safe than sorry Very Happy )

    All Russian project 11356 will have Shilt-1 VLS thumbsup 


    The first sets of the latest SAM "Calm" Russian Navy will receive the 2014


    MOSCOW, Sept. 23 - RIA Novosti. Russian Navy in 2014, will receive the first modular sets of the latest anti-missile (SAM) "Calm" under construction for a series of six frigates of Project 11356, told RIA Novosti on Monday, CEO of the holding "Aviation" Maxim Kuzyuk .

    "Calm" is a complex air defense ships medium range. According Kuzyuk, the complex is able to deal with any existing and future aircraft weapons.

    "Supplies to the Russian Navy will begin in 2014. We plan to put six sets of SAM" Calm "for ships (Project 11356) to 2016", - said Kuzyuk.

    One of the main advantages of "Calm" in comparison with "old" complexes, according to the CEO of the holding is its rate of fire, since the interval between the start of rockets is less than two seconds.

    "Innovative solutions <...> allow you to post" Calm "on ships of various tonnage, adding a number of modules (one module 12 missiles.) The original technical solution allows the use of small rockets as well as the middle class" - added Kuzyuk.

    In the latest SAM launcher provides vertical launch, in which the rocket is released from the powder catapult transport and launch container to a height of 25 meters, and has already started at this height boosters.



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    Thank god for small favors. Would be a shame if these ships (which will serve decades!) were under-armed due to expediency.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:07 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Austin wrote:Not Bad , Hope they go for 3 more ships of this class , India is planning to go for 3 more of this class.
    Right now, its important that Russia gets these ships as they need more ships in the water. Plus, these ships are pretty heavy hitters and with shtil-1, they will have strong defence. So they should order more. I wonder if they can be upgraded to polimont-redut later on?
    If Russia exports 11356 ships to India , it also makes a fat profit , keeps yard busy and makes them effecient .....so its beneficial to them.

    I am sure this ships is very imp for Russia and hopefully they get more of this , its a very balanced ship ......hopefully export to other customers like Vietnam

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:04 am

    I'd much rather see Yantar take part of the 22350 program, after the 6 Grigorovich ships.

    They are fine ships, but why not wait a few years and get ships with fundamentally newer systems, like Paket, Poliment-Redut, Palma, not to mention the RCS reduction.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:13 am

    How many VLS Shtil-1 will Grigorovich class ships will carry ?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:34 am

    The new Shtil-1 vertical launchers should be mechanically cheaper and simpler than the arm launcher and fully mechanised under deck ammo handler of the original system.

    It will also offer better unification with the new land based systems which also seem to have a tube launched missile.

    Paket and Palma are ready for service now... the latter system is a cheaper lighter simpler version of Kashtan-M and Paket is already in service.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:26 pm

    Austin wrote:How many VLS Shtil-1 will Grigorovich class ships will carry ?
    36 is the number circulating around. 3 x 12 as Shtil-1 comes in packages of 12.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:How many VLS Shtil-1 will Grigorovich class ships will carry ?
    36 is the number circulating around. 3 x 12 as Shtil-1 comes in packages of 12.
    I think it will either be 2 Shtil modules + 2 UKSK modules, or 3 + 1 .
    Numbers keep changing depending where you look.

    Thank god for Vertical Shtil, since the CIWS has no missiles.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:00 am

    CIWS has no missiles.
    Palma has the option of 8 laser beam riding SOSNA-R missiles if required.

    Of course with laser guided shells I actually would consider replacing Palma with something like a 57mm cannon mount and a mix of AHEAD type ammo plus laser homing shells and of course standard proximity fused 57mm HE rounds...


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:36 am

    I mean on the Grigorovich, it only has good old AK-630 for close in protection. With single-arm Shtil AA Self defense would be completely inadequate; the Indian ships either have Kashtan or AK-630 + Barak so they are ok.

    Vertical Shtil capable of launching every 2 seconds would be adequate however.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:37 am

    So logically if they are fitting all new weapons where possible the old Kashtan-M should be replaced by a naval Pantsir-S1...


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:29 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9XRaA_QXREg#t=163

    Good vid. Even normal Shtil has pretty fast fire capability.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:06 pm

    11356 and 22350. Similar, yet so different.
    Old photos (just for comparison purposes).




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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:37 pm

    http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=155856

    5th frigate, the Admiral Istomin, will be laid down on November 15th.

    In other news the 4th 22350, Admiral Isakov, will be laid down (@ Severnaya of course) on the 14th.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:04 pm

    when the first ships will enter service?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:00 pm

    George1 wrote:when the first ships will enter service?
    Good question, it is supposed to be launched this year. Have not see any photos recently.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:21 pm

    5th 11356 "Admiral Istomin" for Russian navy lay down 

    The fifth frigate for the Russian Navy will lay in Kaliningrad

    Groundbreaking ceremony of the fifth patrol ship to the "Amber"

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  xeno on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:16 pm

    As per the discussion here
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2013/12/t59529,79--storozhevye-korabli-proekta-11356.7976.html
    Russian 11356 may not have 36 units for VLS as I expected, but only 24 due to limited space.
    And it is rumoured there will be a second batch 11356 (6) for Pacific fleet.
    Tragedy...if both were true.
    I understand 22350 is more expensive for building and still has many problems to be settled, however from POV of long term 22350 is much more promising.
    Technical problems will be settled finally. Besides you even pay 200 crew members on a 11356, while a 22350 only has 186.
    And just a few weeks ago, Russian generals were advocating to reduce the types of ships RN were operating...

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:32 pm

    First of all, that thread is speculation. Wind changes every other month on Balancers....first they think it will have old Shtil arm, now VLS tubes.
    If it has 24 VLS cells then I will be a happy man, because I am still worried old Shtil launcher will be used.

    Regarding further batches, speculation as well. It might happen, but they will order a trio at first, not another six.
    I would rather see Yantar be brought on to 22350 production, but they need to calculate if it is speedier and cheaper to just make 11356s. The navy has many ships ending their lives soon, 11356 is better than nothing.

    Plus I think Severnaya is pressuring to remain the only 22350 producer :/

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:29 pm

    I hope it is the vertical launch Shtil.
    A good photo of the missile and launcher:


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:45 pm

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=366584&download=2&type=.jpg

    Good news, apparently it is confirmed 11356 will have the same gun as 20380, with modern shaping.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:11 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=366584&download=2&type=.jpg

    Good news, apparently it is confirmed 11356 will have the same gun as 20380, with modern shaping.

    And you can bet it will have Shtil-1 VLS with 36 cells  Very Happy

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