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    Post  TMA1 Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:02 pm

    Is this the nuclear cruise missile? When I look up the code it mentions burevestnik...
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    Post  PhSt Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:15 pm

    These new cruise missiles needs to be Hypersonic, with AI capabilities, and more importantly with high degree of precision

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:11 am

    TMA1 wrote:Is this the nuclear cruise missile? When I look up the code it mentions burevestnik...

    Buravestnik would have indefinite range

    These are probably new regular cruise missiles with Zircon fuel (plus air launch gives you a whole lot of extra range)

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:33 am


    There were plans for a new cruise missile a few years ago which should make better use of the big weapons bays of the Tu-160.
    The estimated range was between 8.000 and 10.000km.

    That is a two stage 11 metre long missile that will be massively hypersonic... called Gzur 2. Gzur 1 being a 6 metre long mach 6 missile that weighs 1.5 tons and has a range of 1,500m, while the 6 ton 11 metre long Gzur 2 will have a range of 12,000km or so and intended to be carried internally in the Tu-160 and PAK DA.

    Is this the nuclear cruise missile? When I look up the code it mentions burevestnik...

    No, that is a nuclear propelled missile of essentially unlimited range... they don't need a bomber to carry that... it could be ground launched in the opposite direction to the target and hit the target by going around the world to get there.

    These new cruise missiles needs to be Hypersonic, with AI capabilities, and more importantly with high degree of precision

    In WWIII when they arrive the target area will already have been hammered by ICBMs and SLBMs hours before hand so they shouldn't have much trouble getting through.

    These are probably new regular cruise missiles with Zircon fuel (plus air launch gives you a whole lot of extra range)

    The two weapon bays on a Tu-160 are 11 metres long and the weapon bays of the PAK DA are not likely to be shorter.

    The 3,000km range Kh-55SM is 6m long... which is just too long to fit two in tandem on the launcher, the Kh-101/102 are 7.4m long and can reach 5,000km, so these missiles might be 10m long to reach 6,500km.

    No breakthrough in physics is needed for this.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:02 pm

    The capacity of one of the types of Russian air rockets has been doubled

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a doubling of the capacity of aircraft missiles with a range of 310 km

    MOSCOW, 18 Jan-RIA Novosti. Boris Obnosov, General Director of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (TTRV), reported to the head of the Russian Defense Ministry Sergey Shoigu that the power of an aviation missile with a range of 310 kilometers has been doubled, and its warhead is now 800 kilograms, the defense Ministry said.

    The Defense Ministry said that Shoigu checked the progress of the state defense order at the Raduga Design Bureau near Moscow, a major manufacturer of missiles for the Aerospace Forces and the Navy. Obnosov reported that a new product with a range of 310 kilometers has already been tested.
    "We have reduced the cost of the rocket and doubled the power of the product," he said.

    According to the deputy head of the VKS Armament Committee, Colonel-General Yuri Grekhov, the warhead of this missile has also increased significantly. "It was 450, it became 800," the general reported.

    In turn, the head of the Defense Ministry said that it is necessary to make sure that such missiles were "in sufficient quantity." "We have an expense every day, a defeat every day (goals-ed.). In the same way, everything should be organized in production, " Shoigu said.

    https://ria.ru/20240118/rakety-1922120377.html

    The weight of the warhead seems off by an order of magnitude, but otherwise it seems they could be talking about izd. 810... or not scratch

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    Post  lancelot Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:20 pm

    Raduga makes the Kh-59. I assume this is some sort of new air launched cruise missile.

    I assume they changed it so it can carry a warhead roughly similar to that in the Iskander.

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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:46 pm

    LMFS wrote:The capacity of one of the types of Russian air rockets has been doubled

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a doubling of the capacity of aircraft missiles with a range of 310 km

    MOSCOW, 18 Jan-RIA Novosti. Boris Obnosov, General Director of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (TTRV), reported to the head of the Russian Defense Ministry Sergey Shoigu that the power of an aviation missile with a range of 310 kilometers has been doubled, and its warhead is now 800 kilograms, the defense Ministry said.

    The Defense Ministry said that Shoigu checked the progress of the state defense order at the Raduga Design Bureau near Moscow, a major manufacturer of missiles for the Aerospace Forces and the Navy. Obnosov reported that a new product with a range of 310 kilometers has already been tested.
    "We have reduced the cost of the rocket and doubled the power of the product," he said.

    According to the deputy head of the VKS Armament Committee, Colonel-General Yuri Grekhov, the warhead of this missile has also increased significantly. "It was 450, it became 800," the general reported.

    In turn, the head of the Defense Ministry said that it is necessary to make sure that such missiles were "in sufficient quantity." "We have an expense every day, a defeat every day (goals-ed.). In the same way, everything should be organized in production, " Shoigu said.

    https://ria.ru/20240118/rakety-1922120377.html

    The weight of the warhead seems off by an order of magnitude, but otherwise it seems they could be talking about izd. 810... or not scratch

    In my opinion it could be that they are referring to the total weight or in case of a warhead they passed from 45 to 80kg.
    Same with range or they doubled the total range or passed to a practical range i.e. the one against high performance fighters of 310 instead of 150km of previous R-37.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:50 pm

    Looks like an upgrade of the Kh-59.

    The round nose shows it is subsonic.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:28 am

    The capacity of one of the types of Russian air rockets has been doubled

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced a doubling of the capacity of aircraft missiles with a range of 310 km

    I would say they are not talking about an air to air missile, but an air to ground missile and looking at the cruise missile thread arrow just posted these images:

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    So 600km range and 800kg warhead... that is impressive...

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:00 am

    https://tass.com/defense/1734293
    for fucks sake what missile are they referencing that had a 155km range before?  kh-59mk2, kh-35, kh-58 like already have 300km ranges. Are they referencing past ranges on older missile designs just to hype the news up that it got doubled for newest missile, because otherwise these news reports would have all just said 620kms. none of their warhead weights are at 450kg for me on Wikipedia to find which missile they are talking specifically about that would have 800kg? Holy **** can these retard reporters just name the fucking missile or what it was designed from.

    Edit: found the telegram channel.

    https://t.me/mod_russia/34788

    The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu, checked the progress of the state defense order at the enterprise of the military-industrial complex "State Machine-Building Design Bureau "Raduga" named after A.Ya. Bereznyak" (GosMKB "Raduga") in the Moscow region.

    The head of the Russian military department inspected the production workshops of the enterprise and the technological process of development, production and modernization of guided missiles of various classes.

    General Director of the State Design Bureau "Raduga" Sergei Bogatikov reported that the range of one of the products, the production of which has been increased in accordance with the state defense order, is 250 kilometers.

    Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu demanded to increase the range to 300 kilometers or more.

    General Director of the JSC Tactical Missile Arms Corporation Boris Obnosov reported that a new product with a range of 310 kilometers has already been tested. “We have reduced the cost of the rocket and doubled the power of the product,” he added.

    “The warhead of this missile is now 800 kilograms. It was 450, now it’s 800,” reported Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces for Armaments, Colonel General Yuri Grekhov.

    “We must now make sure that there are sufficient quantities of such missiles,” Sergei Shoigu emphasized.

    “Every day we are losing money, every day we are losing. Everything should be organized in production here in the same way,” said Sergei Shoigu.

    General Director of the State Design Bureau "Raduga" Sergei Bogatikov reported to Army General Sergei Shoigu that the enterprise has fully fulfilled the state defense order for 2023, and since the beginning of the special military operation, the production volume of high-precision weapons has increased multiple times, according to some indicators, eight times.

    “We, in principle, will fulfill the task of the state defense order in individual elements in the first half of the year and move directly to 2025,” reported Sergei Bogatikov, General Director of the State Design Bureau “Raduga”.

    “We doubled the workforce, purchased new technological equipment and tooling, increased production space, and also established 12-hour shifts, which made it possible to achieve a 24-hour work schedule and thereby achieve the goal of multiplying the production of high-precision weapons,” the general reported. Director of the State Medical Clinical Hospital "Raduga" Sergei Bogatikov.

    The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation was presented with air-to-ground cruise missiles, anti-radar and anti-ship missiles, as well as promising models of guided missile weapons.


    maybe they are talking about the kh-58 since the U version has 250kms and might have mistaken warhead weight with missile weight? 250kms is what the general director made and it was an existing design.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:44 am

    The Kh-59 comes in a range of models from the early Kh-59 that was called AS-13 Kingbolt in the west and had a rocket propulsion and TV guidance and in the first models its range was about 80km or something because if the limits of the datalink it used to transmit its view of the target. This was from the 70s or 80s and was replaced by an improved model called AS-18 Kazoo which had a 160km range with a 120km range datalink.

    This has been replaced with further models of the missile using radar and other guidance options since and has evolved to the box shaped Kh-69 for internal carriage too.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:06 am

    There are three missiles that are in production at Raduga and can match the description.
    It is Ch-59M2A or Ch-59MK2 - which is a Ch-69.
    The latest version of Ch-59 carries a massive, 350 kg penetrative warhead.
    This is the only missile that would be more or less possible to "double the warhead to 800 kg" and are big enough to get some serious range increase with new fuel.
    The third that fits the description would be Ch-101 (400+ kg warhead), but I highly doubt if they can double bot warhead and range there  dunno  scratch

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    Post  Isos Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:03 pm

    None of those missiles can carry a 800kg warhead.

    Kh-59 is 930kg. Even ballistic missiles can't take such warhead if they are not 10m long and 1m wide.

    IMO it's the missile's weight that is 800kg.

    I saw plenty of times such mistakes from either journalists or traduction, saying warhead weight instead of missile's weight.

    That would be logival given the fact that this new missile above seem far smaller than a kh-59.

    Warhead isn't important as long as you have a CEP of less than 5m. I would go for even a 50-70kg warhead and more fuel/range. It's enough to damage any building or ship very well.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:46 pm

    The Kh-22 used to have a warhead that big. It is also made by Raduga.

    Maybe the press release mixed up an increase of warhead in the Kh-32 and an increase in range in one of the cruise missiles and jumbled them together.

    They had reduced the warhead (from 1000kg to 500kg) and increased the range (from 600 km to 1000 km) from the Kh-22 to the Kh-32. But the thing is, 1000 km range isn't necessary in Ukraine for most targets.

    Another possibility is making two different versions of the Kh-101. One with bigger range thanks to denser fuel and more modern engine. And another with a bigger warhead because you don't need that thousands of km range in Ukraine either.

    I disagree with larger payloads not being necessary in Ukraine because you might need to hit enemy bunkers.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:29 am

    The description mentions moving the air intake to below the body to the rear so I suspect the missile they are talking about is marked 720 on Alamos photo post.

    Going for a heavy payload actually makes sense because sometimes just damaging something and injuring a few people is not as effective as destroying the target and killing lots of people.

    The problem is the idea of double range and double payload... which seems unlikely with a missile that does not look a lot bigger than the missiles it appears to be based on.

    Maybe the range is wrong or maybe the 800kgs is the whole missile weight.

    Perhaps it is a variation of the Kh-555 that has a massive 800kg warhead (double) with a reduced range of perhaps 600-800km, because the more powerful warhead is more useful or effective than extra range.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:27 am

    lancelot wrote:The Kh-22 used to have a warhead that big. It is also made by Raduga.

    Even bigger, close to 1 tone.
    And this izd. 720 is way to small to have a 800 kg warhead. scratch
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:21 am

    And this izd. 720 is way to small to have a 800 kg warhead.

    I agree... it looks like a Kh-69 with a round nose radar radome... according to their website in the Russian section the all up weight of teh Kh-69 is 770kgs, which is 30kgs off 800kgs I suppose, with a 310kg warhead.

    Maybe they have developed a version like the Grom 1 and Grom 2 where one has a rocket motor and a 300kg HE warhead, while the other doubles the warhead replacing the rocket motor with extra HE and it is just a glide bomb type weapon?

    But the glide kits for dumb bombs would work out simpler and cheaper I would think.

    Eventually it will be reported in more detail I hope.
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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:14 am

    NATzO information space is spreading propaganda about how NATzO has achieved the production capacity of 1000 units per year for air-launched cruise missiles in the LRASM and JASSM classes.

    At the same time, NATzO claims that Russia has reached its "Peak" in cruise missiles production.

    I wonder how Russia is doing in this field, Russia definitely needs to build new production facilities (Preferably far away from NATzO borders like somewhere in the Novosibirsk/ Krasnoyarsk area) to boost its own cruise missile manufacturing.

    New Russian cruise missile designs should also incorporate the ability to interchange its payload with conventional or nuke warhead (no less than 1 megaton) to ensure that Russia will have enough delivery systems to spam NATzO territory with nukes in case this War of Extermination reaches its climax.  attack
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:29 am

    PhSt wrote:NATzO information space is spreading propaganda about how NATzO has achieved the production capacity of 1000 units per year for air-launched cruise missiles in the LRASM and JASSM classes.

    At the same time, NATzO claims that Russia has reached its "Peak" in cruise missiles production.

    I wonder how Russia is doing in this field, Russia definitely needs to build new production facilities (Preferably far away from NATzO borders like somewhere in the Novosibirsk/ Krasnoyarsk area) to boost its own cruise missile manufacturing.

    New Russian cruise missile designs should also incorporate the ability to interchange its payload with conventional or nuke warhead (no less than 1 megaton) to ensure that Russia will have enough delivery systems to spam NATzO territory with nukes in case this War of Extermination reaches its climax.  attack

    That bolded part is a contradiction.

    If you are unsure how Russia is doing in this field, then how do you come to the conclusion they "definitely need" to build new production facilities?

    Anyway, they have an issue with skilled labor to do the tasks. Essentially the unemployment rate is very low and thus are in desperate need looking for more workers. Importing isn't always the best idea either but they could possibly import from friendly allied nations but getting them to work in these plants may not be ideal for Russia. So next best option is automation. If they can streamline most of the production in an automated form, then I imagine they can churn out a lot more with a lot less workers. But I also imagine they are already doing this at existing plants.

    Russia produces a ton of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. More than US and especially Europe. How much? Don't entirely know but they themselves have admitted to ramping up production multiple times and they were already producing quite a bit as it was. They just have so many variants of cruise missiles though and so much leftover from Soviet times.

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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:16 am

    achieved the production capacity of 1000 units per year f
    lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:09 pm

    1,000 missiles a year... the US and all the HATO nations combined spend well over 1 trillion US dollars a year on "defence"...

    The Russians are probably making 1,000 missiles a week, and they will be making about a dozen different types of missiles at the same time.

    And drones and glide kits on top of that... not to mention tanks and aircraft and ships and subs...

    Russian production has truly shamed HATO... HATO is morally and economically bankrupt.

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