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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:56 pm

    Regarding the issue of long-range cruise missiles.
    The USSR had capabilities similar to the USA. For example in satellites.
    So if the United States had powerful missiles, I don't see what would prevent the Soviet Union from having.
    About the Iraq war, I read a document on the Internet, where it was commented that the Iraqis had armed a device with lookouts, Sa-7 and AAA missiles, to shoot down the incoming cruise missiles. And they had managed to shoot down several.
    I believe that if the war of 1990 showed anything, it was that the United States did not have as much capacity as they were led to believe.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:44 am

    With clever use of critical bits of technology like AWACS platforms and satellite networks and of course other behind the scenes stuff that lets them listen to enemy communications means when the US plans attacks and wars against third world countries they normally know where everything is and always make sure they have good local superiority before trying anything, which makes them look rather more powerful and invincible than they actually are...

    Abrams tanks look amazing when you stay out of cities and close combat and use their long range fire power and day night optics so you see the enemy and they can't see you.

    When you are kicking Iraq out of Kuwaite you fight in open desert and mostly at night when you have the best advantage... even a Bradley with its excellent optics is a dangerous opponent for a T-55 series tank at night, so you kill lots of enemy vehicles without exposing your own vehicles to very much enemy fire at all.

    In Afghanistan they used the Afghans to move into areas the Taliban held... the Taliban could either hide... in which case the Afghans would hunt them down and kill them in small pockets... or they could form up into larger formations to face the Afghan troops... in which case the US simply called in air power to smash them all formed up... didn't always work perfectly.... is a big group of Afghans the Taliban forming up for a fight.... or a wedding... made that mistake a couple of times.

    Their last option would be to disappear into the mountains or leave the region... you might get some kills with air power but you captured the area...

    And how to screw up a withdrawal... openly state and actually withdraw that air power three months before you withdraw the troops who manage and organise the war... with the air power gone and no special forces guidance or assistance or leadership for the Afghan government forces of course they are going to collapse... the Taliban are forming up and kicking their asses and no air power to call.

    The invasion of Iraq was another case where they avoided operating in the cities for as long as they could... sitting out in the desert protecting the oil fields, and then they had to start fighting in cities and they started losing armour.... it wasn't magic.

    The Soviets did have long range missiles but in terms of cruise missiles they just had nuke armed missiles with no terminal guidance for precision hits/kills.

    They didn't really need it or want it... till Desert Storm and then they wanted it... and got it eventually.
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:25 pm

    The newest modification of the Kh-59MKM aircraft concrete-piercing missile will be exported, and by the end of the year Russia will deliver the first batch of missiles to a foreign customer.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/186927-rossijskaja-vysokotochnaja-aviacionnaja-raketa-dlja-unichtozhenija-komandnyh-punktov-pojdet-na-jeksport.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:34 am

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:51 pm

    Miniature cruise missiles are being developed in Russia

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    Russia is developing universal miniature cruise missiles for ships and aircraft. At the same time, a decrease in warheads and other elements of weapons will not affect the reduction in combat power.

    Viktor Obnosov, General Director of the Tactical Missiles Corporation, stated this on the air of the Russia-24 TV channel.

    By minimizing the size of the carrier platform can be armed with a much larger stock of missiles than before.

    “Everyone understands that if the problem can be solved, say, with a product that weighs 100 kilograms instead of one ton, then, of course, more such products can be placed on a carrier and this will be more efficient,” Viktor Obnosov emphasized.

    https://rg.ru/2022/01/24/miniatiurnye-krylatye-rakety-razrabatyvaiut-v-rossii.html

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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:35 pm

    Number of rocket launches during the special operation in Ukraine

    Amanda Macias, a military reporter for the American television channel CNBC, on her Twitter daily posts the numbers of Russian missile launches during a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine cumulative total, referring to official data from the US Department of Defense. On March 10, these data look like this -
    Feb 24 ~160
    Feb 25 ~200
    Feb 26 ~250
    Feb 27 ~320
    Feb 28 ~380
    Mar 1 ~400
    Mar 2 ~450
    Mar 3 ~480
    Mar 4 ~500
    Mar 7 ~625
    Mar 8 ~670
    Mar 9 ~710
    Mar 10 ~775

    Apparently, there were no rocket launches on March 5 and 6.


    For comparison, the number of launches of sea- and air-launched cruise missiles by the US/UK coalition
    in 1991 Desert Storm against Iraq - 297 launches (of which 114 on the first day of the operation)
    in December 1998 Operation Desert Fox against Iraq - more than 400 cruise missile launches
    in 1999 against Yugoslavia - over 300 launches
    in 2011 against Libya - over 400 launches


    according to data announced in December 2020, the number of cruise missiles in the Russian Armed Forces increased 37 times over the period 2012-2020. Deliveries are expected in 2021-2025. under newly concluded contracts, this number will double. the main types of missiles and heavy UAVs used in the course of the NMD in Ukraine.

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    Post  dino00 Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:59 pm

    That last infographic is propaganda.
    Russia don't have and didn't launched any Tochka-U. Nazis did.

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:39 pm

    And it is not a long range strike system.

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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:26 pm

    dino00 wrote:That last infographic is propaganda.
    Russia don't have and didn't launched any Tochka-U. Nazis did.

    It was spotted in Belorussia few days ago. Delivered by russian il-124 or il-76 I don't remember.

    However no proof it was still used.

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    Post  mavaff Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:54 am

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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:49 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Russia don't have and didn't launched any Tochka-U.

    Missile system 9K79 "Tochka-U" again in the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces



    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4505101.html

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:08 pm

    This convoy was filmed in Belarus, likely a mix of russian and belarussian vehicles.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:32 pm

    12:47, 19.04.2022; RIA Novosti

    "Kalibr" and "Kiznhal" are now guided ten times faster, said Shoigu
    Defense Minister Shoigu: "Kalibr" and "Kinzhal" are now guided ten times faster

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    MOSCOW, April 19 - RIA Novosti. Due to the new communication systems, the time to bring target designation to the Kalibr and Kinzhal missiles has been reduced dozens of times, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu said at the board of the military department.
    According to him, the development of the communication system of the RF Armed Forces "is moving along the path of using advanced telecommunication technologies, including the introduction of elements of artificial intelligence."
    "Their use has already made it possible to reduce the time of bringing target designation to systems of high-precision long-range weapons, such as Kalibr and Kinzhal, by dozens of times," the army general said.
    He added that the signal troops are successfully fulfilling tasks in the course of operations outside of Russia, new methods of organizing communications have been tested to ensure stable command and control of troops in difficult geographical and interference conditions.

    https://ria.ru/20220419/vooruzheniya-1784277117.html

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    Post  LMFS Tue May 10, 2022 3:19 am

    Yuri Borisov: Russia has a sufficient supply of high-precision missiles

    Moscow. 9th May. INTERFAX-Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the military-industrial complex, said in an interview with Interfax on Victory Day that he is working to increase the range of Kalibr missiles, sufficient stocks of high-precision missiles in Russia and modernize Bastions .

    - Yuri Ivanovich, the Russian military is actively using high-precision weapons during the operation in Ukraine - air-and sea-based cruise missiles, hypersonic missiles of the Kinzhal complex. How do you assess their actual combat performance? How do you see the development of such weapons systems?

    - Russia in the course of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine widely uses the most modern means of destruction, including air-to-ground guided missiles, long-range air-and sea-based cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles of the Kinzhal aviation complex. The Iskander-M operational-tactical missile system is actively used.

    All types of Russian high-precision weapons have confirmed their combat characteristics, which made it possible to hit military infrastructure facilities throughout Ukraine with high accuracy, and thereby minimize civilian casualties.

    Currently, active work is underway on the further development of this type of weapon. The main focus is on increasing the efficiency, range and accuracy of its use, as well as the creation of new hypersonic weapons.

    For the first time used in real combat conditions, the Kinzhal aviation missile system with a hypersonic aeroballistic missile showed high efficiency in destroying well-protected and covered by modern air defense and missile defense systems located deep in enemy territory. The high accuracy of this weapon and its inability to detect it with the help of air defense was confirmed.


    "Do you agree with the words of the American president that the Dagger has the same warhead as any other missile, but it cannot be stopped?"

    - There is nothing like the "Dagger" in any state in the world. A missile flying at a speed exceeding the speed of sound by more than 10 times, and at the same time maneuvering along the entire trajectory of its flight, is really impossible to intercept by air defense and missile defense systems.

    Its high combat characteristics make it guaranteed to hit both ground targets, including protected ones, and moving sea targets. At the same time, we continue to actively work on improving the characteristics of the Dagger complex.


    - "Kalibry "was actively used in the midst of the Syrian campaign. Did they undergo some kind of modernization based on its results?

    - Almost all the complexes in service with the Russian Armed Forces are being improved and modernized, taking into account the experience of their combat use, including during the Syrian campaign.

    We have seriously upgraded the information support system for the use of Kalibr, which significantly reduced the time required to prepare them for combat use. Currently, work is underway to increase the range of Kalibr's use, as well as to expand the possibilities of interaction with various target management tools, including drones.


    - How do you assess the results of the modernization of the Bastion complexes, which can now hit ground targets with Onyx missiles?

    - The feedback from the Navy Command is the most positive. Initially, the Bastion coastal missile system was designed to hit sea targets with the Onyx anti-ship missile. The modernization made it possible to use Onyx missiles for strikes on important stationary enemy targets on land. The effectiveness of guaranteed destruction of diverse targets was confirmed during a special military operation. We can talk about the versatility of the Bastion complex.


    - When will the Su-57 aircraft complexes and the Tu-22M3M long-range missile carriers be armed with hypersonic weapons?"

    - Work is underway to create a new generation of hypersonic land-based, air-based and sea-based missiles. According to their characteristics, they will exceed the existing and promising developments of leading countries. These missiles are planned to equip modernized and promising aviation complexes, and tests are already underway on Tu-22M3M missile carriers.


    - How do you feel about the statements that Russia is running out of stocks of high-precision missiles? The capacity of enterprises will allow increasing the production of such weapons systems?

    - If you believe everything that is said on the other side, Russia's missiles should have ended in March. But for some reason they didn't end.

    The military-industrial complex supplies our army with all the necessary range of missiles in the required volumes. Stocks of modern high-precision missiles and ammunition will be enough to fulfill all the tasks assigned to the Russian Armed Forces.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=574289&lang=RU

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    Post  xeno Tue May 10, 2022 9:42 am

    Very surprised to know that the Dagger
    1.has the speed over M10;
    2.can maneuver along the entire trajectory of its flight;
    3.can hit moving sea targets.

    thought it is a some stop-gap or experimental weapon...
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    Post  Arrow Tue May 10, 2022 11:24 am

    .has the speed over M10; 2.can maneuver along the entire trajectory of its flight; 3.can hit moving sea targets. thought it is a some stop-gap or experimental weapon... wrote:

    Add to that the Cirkon missile, which maneuverability is even greater than that of the Dagger thanks to the scramjet engine that works for a significant part of the flight. Range over 1000 km, for land purposes about 1500 km. The missile is now produced.More hypersonic missiles for strategic aviation are under development. However, for nuclear missile forces, new versions of the HGV. Amazing progress.

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    Post  Hole Tue May 10, 2022 3:00 pm

    Adding a cassette type (sub-munition dispenser) warhead to Kaliber would be great, against airfields, bridges...

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    Post  Arrow Tue May 10, 2022 3:03 pm

    Soon Russia will have Kalibr-M with a greater range of 4500 km and a warhead 1000 kg! Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 11, 2022 3:07 am

    Very surprised to know that the Dagger
    1.has the speed over M10;
    2.can maneuver along the entire trajectory of its flight;
    3.can hit moving sea targets.

    thought it is a some stop-gap or experimental weapon...

    Want a real shock... the ground launched version has been in service for almost two decades and is called Iskander... a single stage solid rocket missile that flies at about mach 7 and can manouver along its entire trajectory and can release decoys and can detect enemy radar emissions to modify its flightpath to make it more difficult to intercept... the Kinzhal is an airlaunched Iskander.

    With all the manouvering and the fact that it starts pointing upwards and has to use much of the energy of its rocket motor to get into the air and moving as well as flight manouvers on the way to the target its range is only about 500km as per the INF treaty.

    Being airlaunched by a MiG-31K, so released at 18km altitude... above the thickest air in the atmosphere and moving at mach 2.5 already... all that rocket energy that was used to overcome inertia and the weight of the stationary rocket as well as the thickest parts of the atmosphere can be used instead to climb to higher altitude and achieve much higher flight speeds so its range is extended to 2000km.

    The original Iskander had three different guidance systems... one was all weather active radar, one was GLONASS and inertial only for fixed targets, and there was also an optical seeker... in all cases they all have GLONASS and inertial navigation to get them to close proximity of the target, where the radar (for ships and buildings and bridges and bunkers and the like) or optical for anything else can be used to get the warhead very close to where you want it.

    Note the optical system uses a pattern correlation system so you don't have to be able to discern the actual target but if you can locate a very well camouflaged object in relation to objects nearby you can use that to get an aimpoint to hit the target... ie a drone detects  an enemy vehicle camouflaged up to look like a huge bush amongst other bushes that all look very similar... fly the drone over the target and take an image from directly above it... or use a satellite image from above and determine which bush is the target... mark that target as the target in the image and scan the final image to the missiles guidance computer... as it comes in to hit the target it will compare its image with the view it has and hit the target.

    Add to that the Cirkon missile, which maneuverability is even greater than that of the Dagger thanks to the scramjet engine that works for a significant part of the flight. Range over 1000 km, for land purposes about 1500 km. The missile is now produced.More hypersonic missiles for strategic aviation are under development. However, for nuclear missile forces, new versions of the HGV. Amazing progress.

    The Iskander and Kinzhal both have rocket motors that burn all the way to the target... they have thrust vector controls in their rocket exhaust to steer them, which of course only works when the engine is running.

    The advantage of the Zircon is that being an air breather it only carries its fuel, it does not need any oxidiser so instead of weighing almost 4 tons it weighs probably two to two and a half tons and can be launched from a ship at ground level and a stationary start and still fly faster than Kinzhal and also rather further than Iskander which is also surface launched.

    Quite an achievement and this is just the begining.

    Adding a cassette type (sub-munition dispenser) warhead to Kaliber would be great, against airfields, bridges...

    Pretty sure that would already be an option... it was an option for the Kh-59M Kazoo (AS-18) which could use its optical guidance and jet engine to find and then fly the full length of a runway at very low altitude and high speed launching anti runway submunitions as it goes along.

    It would also be a valuable warhead for open aircraft shelters separated by berms or even hardened aircraft shelters... the missile could fly down a line of those releasing anti runway submunitions which are designed to punch a few metres through concrete and then explode to undermine the foundations of the runways... penetrating aircraft shelters and exploding inside would be very useful too.

    Soon Russia will have Kalibr-M with a greater range of 4500 km and a warhead 1000 kg!

    They are also going the other way with mini cruise missiles with high precision and moderate range and a warhead much smaller than currently used.

    These new missiles will be much lighter and much cheaper and be able to be carried in large numbers to hit a wide variety of targets like radars and air defence vehicles and HQs and positions that need precisely delivered explosives but not a lot of explosives.... of course as Mindstorm once pointed out they are going the other way with missiles like GROM and GROM 2 with the former being a rocket assisted glide bomb and the latter being the same glide bomb with the rocket propellent replaced with more HE for heavy targets.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun May 22, 2022 11:37 am

    Hey, have Western sources stopped counting the number of missile strikes carried out by Russia in Ukraine? Did the real data have such a demoralizing effect? After all, Russia's missile weapons "should have run out" a couple of months ago. Does this mean that Western intelligence services have screwed up with the assessment of Russia's military missile potential several times?

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    Post  Hole Sun May 22, 2022 2:45 pm

    Seems so.
    Yes.
    Rolling Eyes
    Yes.

    thumbsup

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    Post  auslander Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:34 pm

    In this AO it's considered impolite to count ergo we don't count then nor do we even hint as to where they are launched from. All I'll say is 'it's a bunch daily', so much so that our newest blue girl, Kristl.Yannah, doesn't even twitch in her sleep from the occasional racket.

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:01 pm

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    I think this is the X-MD-E or KH-MD

    Edit: screwed up the name

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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:19 pm

    X-69 missile is X-K59MKM??

    https://tass.com/defense/1511607
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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:01 pm

    The box-shaped version, yes.

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