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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:04 am

    Christian religious terrorism is a tiny fraction of Islamic terrorism. Some people doubt whether it exists at all.

    The entire west is largely christian and all of their crusades for the past 500 odd years have had religious undertones.

    Blackness at night and no power for trains/industry etc is rapidly closing in as Russia starts to act like the US.

    Russia is nothing like the US, they have been open to peaceful resolution of problems and talking instead of bombing and shelling, but Kiev wanted to solve the problems on the battlefield and consistently said that till they realised they couldn't win...

    You couldn't make this up

    The real punchline is when they receive word their husbands are dead or missing, and then they hear from the conscription mob that their children have dobbed them in for not defending the nation either and they get their call up papers to save the country....

    Do they mean bombs or what?

    Most likely glide bombs with pulse jet motors to boost their gliding distance.

    LOL

    Sadly that happens in every country on the planet... it is the poor that get to fight most of the time.

    cheaper then a divorce I guess.

    Of course it could all just be a ploy to get women to dob in their men and these women were given certificates for something totally different.

    Is that the Koalitsiya in action? Wiki says 80km for the rocket assisted rounds, so that may be conservative or maybe they were able to use prevailing winds at high altitude.

    Possible but I suspect glide kits with motors to extend range is more likely.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:08 pm

    This war needs to end soon. For both Russia's and Ukraine's sake.

    At this rate Russia and Ukraine will end up destroying each other while the West laughs in the sidelines.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:45 pm

    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456307375
    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456307374

    Abandoned T90M?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:51 pm

    This war needs to end soon. For both Russia's and Ukraine's sake.

    At this rate Russia and Ukraine will end up destroying each other while the West laughs in the sidelines.

    It is the west that is wriggling on the line hoping the Russians will put them back into the water...

    This can go on for another 5 years still...

    Abandoned T90M?

    Both clearly empty... probably mechanical issues as there appeared to be no obvious damage to either one.

    A shame nazi drones got to them before they could be recovered, but they are still making them in large numbers.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:04 pm

    Drone attack on Russia’s Republic of Tatarstan : what’s known so far?

    In the early hours of Tuesday, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) attacked several facilities in Russia’s Republic of Tatarstan (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/20283), local emergency services said.

    🌏The drones targeted civilian infrastructure in the Tatar cities of Yelabuga and Nizhnekamsk.

    🌏Two UAVs hit a dormitory in the "Alabuga" special economic zone in Yelabuga, leaving at least six people injured.

    🌏"There is no serious damage, and the technological process of enterprises has not been disrupted," the press service of the republic’s head said.

    🌏One more drone tried to attack an oil refinery in Nizhnekamsk, but was neutralized by an electronic warfare system and did not explode.

    🌏Work of the Begishevo International Airport, located 20 kilometers (12 miles) from Nizhnekamsk and 55 kilometers (34 miles) from Yelabuga, has been not disrupted by the drone attack.

    The Republic of Tatarstan is a developed Russian region located about 1,500 kilometers (932 miles) from the country’s border with Ukraine. Tatarstan is internationally known as Russia’s oil hub, as a manufacturer of the world famous KAMAZ trucks and MI helicopters, as well as one of the leaders of the Russian agricultural industry.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:05 pm

    ❗The Ukrainian Armed Forces have lost more than 80,000 troops, 14,000 weapons, including over 1,200 tanks, since January, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has said.

    Since the beginning of the year, 403 square kilometers of territory have come under the control of the Russian military, the minister added.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:15 pm

    ince the beginning of the year, 403 square kilometers of territory have come under the control of the Russian military, the minister added. wrote:

    It's a ridiculously small area. They are not even going to retake the rest of Donbas in the next few years.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:40 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:Propably launched by a dude 20km from the supposed target.

    No, using a commercial light plane filled with explosives.
    And managed to hit a dormitory, wounding seven people and an elevation of some random building.

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    The moment a Ukrainian UAV struck a student dormitory in Alabuga (Tatarstan).



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    🇺🇦💀🇷🇺 #TartarstanAttack Explosions occurred in the special economic zone of #Alabuga, Tatarstan. There was a drone attack on a local business.

    Eyewitnesses that at around 7 am today, two drones crashed on the territory of a local hostel in the Alabuga special economic zone, followed by several explosions.

    Head of Tatarstan Rustam Minnikhanov:

    “This morning, the enterprises of the republic in Elabuga and Nizhnekamsk were attacked by unmanned aerial vehicles. There was no serious destruction, the technological process of the enterprises was not disrupted. In Elabuga, unfortunately, there are victims as a result of the destruction of the premises. They are being provided with all the necessary assistance.”

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:18 pm

    The student housing north of Yelabuga that was struck is 1150km from the nearest UA-held territory.

    No way a slow Cessna-sized and -looking thing flew that far unhindered.

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:25 pm

    They were smaller drones launched locally. That explains the lack of any major damage. A Cessna sized drone debris would be
    sufficient to cause more damage. Another terrorist PR stunt by the NATzO installed vermin in Kiev.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:38 pm

    You can always decline the elephant ...
    https://t.me/intelslava/56932?single

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:38 pm

    Yep, I am pretty sure that most, if not all of these alleged "long range strikes" are actually carried out by local infiltration groups.

    Some sections of the border are pretty porous still, but you need vehicles to transport these things and the roads are well surveyed. I don't think the material is smuggled in directly from UA, but rather via Georgia and Kazakhstan.

    Cf the route that the SVBIED truck that suicide-bombed the Kerch bridge took, and the truck with various explosives and other means of sabotage that the Georgians themselves recently actually caught in the act before it managed to cross into Russia.

    Problem is that Russia doesn't want to disrupt traffic and trade too much, nor pester civilians everywhere, so the kind of thorough screening they'd need to intercept everything has not been implemented, except temporarily when they have caught a whiff of something, like they did on the Latvian border a few months ago.



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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:49 pm

    ALAMO wrote:You can always decline the elephant ...
    https://t.me/intelslava/56932?single

    If it was a nominally piloted light aircraft converted into a UAV, it'd be very interesting to see where it actually flew from. That particular model is quite common in Russia too.

    I have a hard time believing something as conspicuous as that just leisurely flew for hours from Ukraine. Yeah, yeah, Rust and all, but that wasn't in war time and he was actually detected, they were just extremely confused by it all.

    Even crazier, what if it was piloted.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:07 pm

    It could be operated from an ad hoc airfield 100 km from the place, and being just a civilian airplane with a working transponder.
    Legally registered.
    That is the shitty part of today's technical progress in the sphere of drone technology.
    Something that was limited to the expensive and easy-to-control assets can be purchased for $200 at Aliexpress.
    Ukrs are getting more and more desperate each day. They will shift the tools to inflict maximal damage on the Russian population. Nothing more they can do.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:18 pm

    Each Geran drone packs about as much punch as that lone cessna. A single factory makes a couple dozen per shift...

    The people who are seriously thinking this strike changes anything need to get their heads checked.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:38 pm

    How in detail injuring a 7 random folks at a dormitory and destroying a facade in some industrial mole can change anything?
    In two days nonintensive striking campaign, Russkie took down 80% of Ukro power generation.
    They really didn't bother much.
    The sole reason why there is any electricity left, is because it is being sent from Romania and Poland.
    But it won't last long, even if they have made some underground cables that connect grids, this power supply must "emerge" on the surface somewhere on the Ukro side of the border.
    Toast that transformation station/s and we can say daswidanya.

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:34 pm

    ALAMO wrote:You can always decline the elephant ...
    https://t.me/intelslava/56932?single

    Clearly staged. It does not matter if everyone and his dog has a cell phone with a camera. If that meant that everyone could take
    perfectly positioned videos, then we would be flooded with them. But this video stands out for being next to a Hollywood production.
    So this "Cessna" was organized from inside Russia like the 911 aircraft. The Saudi hijackers did not fly them from Saudi Arabia. The
    video maker is likely an Ukr agent.



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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:How in detail injuring a 7 random folks at a dormitory and destroying a facade in some industrial mole can change anything?
    In two days nonintensive striking campaign, Russkie took down 80% of Ukro power generation.
    They really didn't bother much.
    The sole reason why there is any electricity left, is because it is being sent from Romania and Poland.
    But it won't last long, even if they have made some underground cables that connect grids, this power supply must "emerge" on the surface somewhere on the Ukro side of the border.
    Toast that transformation station/s and we can say daswidanya.

    The obvious objective is to stage Hollywood production stunts in an attempt to get Russian lemmings to panic. This has been the
    objective from day one for NATzO and its Kiev stooges. Every single attack on Russia is a stunt with no military purpose but a
    psyop purpose.

    I don't know what "intelligence" NATzO deciders have that makes them think that Russia is in a 1917 state where some terrorist attacks
    can snowball into an overthrow of Putin. They need to put their crack pipes down.

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:42 pm

    I would call this a Russian security fail for letting Ukrs organize aircraft attacks from inside Russia. A special regime for private and small
    aircraft could have been initiated in February 2024. Russia can survive a few years without light aircraft being used as if there was no
    war. This means heavy security checks on all pilots and just outright grounding them if needed. I am afraid that the next step is actual
    911 style attacks with Russian airliners. NATzO is engaging the terrorism tactic now that its conventional war effort is collapsing.

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    Post  calripson Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:47 pm

    Not just the ability to access an aircraft, but obviously the ability to smuggle explosives. The lax security stems from the government's desire to project normalcy to the population for political purposes - as in a "special military operation" and not a war. Actually, it is a war; an existential one at that. The government and the populace better get their heads out of their collective a**es and figure that out.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:58 pm

    Abandoned T90M?
    Tanks are not in short supply in Russia.

    It's a ridiculously small area. They are not even going to retake the rest of Donbas in the next few years.
    You know better.

    No way a slow Cessna-sized 
    A few years ago some german dude flew from Germany to the US in an An-2.
    The air traffic controllers in New York even allowed him to fly around the Statue of Liberty
    because they thought he was flying a helicopter.
    Just to show how easy a low and slow flying plane can slip through.

    This means heavy security checks on all pilots and just outright grounding them if needed. 
    But that´s exactly what the west wants to achieve with this stunts, to disrupt
    normal life in Russia.
    Banning all private light aircraft from flying because one or two were or could
    be used in such terror strikes would be an overreaction.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:17 pm

    Rybar is claiming the planes were launched in Kharkov and Sumy.

    Question is, how was it not spotted and shot down? Even Ukraine has this ability but somehow Russia lacks it?  No civil planes should be going from Ukraine to Russia, period.  All planes should be considered hostile.

    There seems to be a massive gap in russias defenses and intelligence gathering at this particular area, Belgorod.  Because continuously Ukraine can make attacks from their and quite successfully too.  It's as if the authorities of Russia want this to happen; maybe for excuses or something.

    Repercussions on command on russian side is indeed needed.  Someone is asleep at the job. Either that, or they need to beef up defenses.

    ❗🇷🇺🇺🇦 About the drone strike on Yelabuga and Nizhnekamsk

    This morning, Ukrainian formations carried out a multi-drone attack on the Republic of Tatarstan. Specifically, the cities of Elabuga and Nizhnekamsk came under attack.

    ▪One of the drones, visually resembling a converted A-22 light aircraft, hit a dormitory next to a plant in the Alabuga special economic zone. There are people injured.

    ▪Another device was suppressed by electronic warfare equipment over Nizhnekamsk, but it fell on the territory of the Taneco oil refinery, hitting one of the installations. The fire was extinguished within 20 minutes.

    ❗The drones were launched from the border areas of the Kharkov and Sumy regions and they covered a distance of over 1200 km , flying at low altitude over the western part of Russia. This is the first attack by Ukrainian Armed Forces drones in Tatarstan.

    The purpose of the attack is obvious. In addition to refineries, attacks on which have become increasingly frequent in recent weeks, the Ukrainian Armed Forces intended to hit a plant, which in the West is called the Shahed UAV production complex.

    It is unclear what specific type of UAV was used. But with a high degree of probability, these are the same drones that were recently used to attack an oil refinery in the Leningrad region . And they are produced at the complexes of the Antonov plant, which easily fulfills power steering orders.

    🔻 Why such enterprises are still functioning is a rather interesting question. Maybe people in high places still think that Ukrainian UAVs are unable to cover such distances, but this has not been the case for a long time. Examples of recent attacks are illustrative.

    Why weren't the drones shot down? Also a very good question. There are plenty of systems to counter low-flying targets. The same Ukrainian formations effectively use mobile rifle squads and anti-aircraft guns to shoot down Geraniums.

    Failure to understand the imminent danger from such raids is fraught with consequences. And the sooner we understand this, the better we will cope with the coming attacks.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Rybar is claiming the planes were launched in Kharkov and Sumy.

    Question is...

    The real question here is why are you doing an analysis based on Rybar's claims?!

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:41 pm

    Hole wrote:
    This means heavy security checks on all pilots and just outright grounding them if needed. 
    But that´s exactly what the west wants to achieve with this stunts, to disrupt
    normal life in Russia.
    Banning all private light aircraft from flying because one or two were or could
    be used in such terror strikes would be an overreaction.

    Some sacrifices need to be made. Tighter controls on aircraft activity are not a major disruption to normal life in Russia.
    The US has way more private small airplane use than Russia. In Russia it is exotic. Passenger jets should already be
    in a "tight" security regime regardless of the SMO. Enough of them have been brought down by terrorists for assorted
    reasons in the past.

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