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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:55 am

    On this day exactly 80 years ago, February 22, 1944, an order was issued to award junior lieutenant Semyon Ivanovich Zelensky with the Order of the Red Star for valor and courage shown in the fight against the German Nazis . On the same day, our heroic Red Army liberated Krivoy Rog, the hometown of Vladimir Zelensky, the grandson of the hero.

    But life is a very changeable thing; Zelensky’s grandfather would have known then that his grandson, 80 years later, would fight on the side of the Nazis against Russia...

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:01 am

    Firebird wrote: I say this with caution, but the forum's sane sections seem to be quietly optimistic with the direction of the operation right now. I think th next 6months should see significant progress if not the actual collapse of the Bandera regime. Sadly fighting the war in the Donbass means this is actually the hardest area to liberate in some ways. Hence my suspicion the Bandera regime should have been suffocated far further West, far earlier, with far more troops. Instead of incursions to Kharkov and Kiev with small troop numbers and a "nicely nicely" approach. But anyway, the collapse of Bandera fortifications SHOULD make the job much easier over coming weeks and months.

    It will depend on the tactics they employ to capture the big cities, it took three months with more forces focused for Russia to take Avi, and by respects that is a smaller sized city. How much would seizing krakrov etc take?.

    If the Russians keep at this pace I don't see a collapse anytime soon let alone six months, maybe in 2-3 years. People here have been saying oh Ukraine will collapse in months for over a year now

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:14 am

    Ukraine collapsed in April 2022.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:03 am

    some of the footage was uploaded by me earlier. but some of this stuff i have not seen before.

    I appreciate that RT showed the hard reality of war, including radio traffic with this particular video.
    the ai translation is not 100%, but better than nothing right?.

    NSFW for a Ukro hole get's burned out, it is not unnocupied.

    18+, Avdiivka Assault opening scenes

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/18+,-Avdiivka-Assault-opening-scenes:2

    I uploaded more on my channel the last day, so take a look if you missed something:

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8?view=content

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:34 am

    People here have been saying oh Ukraine will collapse in months for over a year now

    The politicians in charge of Kiev will want to hold on for their masters in Washington till after the election to lose, I doubt the Kiev military care much for US politics though, and as their lines are hit and collapse and they fall back they know there is only so far they can fall back to before they run out of fortified positions to operate from and it becomes flat open exposed terrain where they will be horribly vulnerable.

    I daresay the quality of their new soldiers will make them question the expectations for them to hold terrain too.

    Cannon fodder is not useful in defence, and eventually the truth is going to dawn on the Ukraine that it is bleeding for very rich people in Kiev and the west with the intent to hurt Russia.

    Now many might support hurting Russia, but when they find out that Russia is not collapsing like their news reports every night tell them, and in fact it is Kievs forces that are running dry and experienced soldiers are being killed and captured and are not being replaced they will start to question why this conflict continues.

    Of course the longer it continues the worse the deal they are going to get... they keep repeating that but no one listens... eventually they will understand.

    Russia does not need to storm every city and village... when the Kiev military collapses the city administrations will invite the Russians in to make and keep the peace while referendums are set up for the people to decide their future... the way Kiev never did.

    Pretty soon they will realise that Russia does not want them all dead... like the west would in Russias position...

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:12 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is excellent time for Ukraine to implement widespread conscription and flood the frontline with bodies

    Things are looking good on CNN do hopefully it happens sooner rather than later

    Widespread conscription....... They already have, and the last wave consisted of amputees, people with mental health issues, people with learning disabilities, 14-15yrs old boys, old men over 70yrs old, and women, what would the next wave consist of????????? Wildlife?(animals)Or hiring a necromancer to raise the dead it's about only options they got left :

    Look around

    They have loads of adult and especially teen males left plus millions of females

    All that needs to be put in uniform and thrown East for disposal

    No half-assing

    "Everything for the front"



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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:18 pm

    For anyone interested, this is an channel of an Mariupol citizen that speaks english and makes video's about Mariupol and his position/viewpoints.
    Also answers questions he get from viewers.

    So far i watched just one video, but very interesting to watch.
    The footage of all the reconstruction he films is worth watching it alone.

    his youtube channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/@VideosfromMariupol

    His TG channel:
    https://t.me/videos_from_mariupol

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:49 pm

    ^Another video of his

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:32 pm

    The US is crying about how Iran might sell ballistic missiles to Russia. I don't know how much of that is true, but they have announced more ridiculous de-dollarizing sanctions because of that.
    The comedy sh*tshow continues. clown

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:34 pm

    The enemy is releasing debris from Russia's newest Kh-69 stealth cruise missile, which was used to strike a target in Ukraine.

    It is known that the X-69 is capable of delivering a combat vehicle weighing 310 kg to a distance of at least 300 km. This missile can be launched from the external slings of the Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35S, and also, due to its square cross-section, from the internal compartment of the latest Su-57.

    We can say that the X-69 occupies a niche similar to the European cruise missiles Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, actively used by Ukrainian aviation, as well as the American AGM-158 JASSM and German Taurus, which are also actively predicted to be supplied to Ukraine.

    https://t.me/milinfolive/116873?single

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:35 pm

    The first footage of the combat use of American M1A1SA Abrams from the 47th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Avdeevsky direction.

    Previously, Ukrainian channels had repeatedly published videos and photos of Abrams near the front line and in the rear, but there was no evidence of their participation in battles.

    Also yesterday, a video was published (https://t.me/milinfolive/116858) with the first lost engineering vehicle M1150 ABV based on the Abrams, also from the 47th Mechanized Infantry Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, abandoned near Avdiivka.

    https://t.me/bmpd_cast/18984

    Cool

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:46 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    It will depend on the tactics they employ to capture the big cities, it took three months with more forces focused for Russia to take Avi, and by respects that is a smaller sized city. How much would seizing krakrov etc take?.

    If the Russians keep at this pace I don't see a collapse anytime soon let alone six months, maybe in 2-3 years. People here have been saying oh Ukraine will collapse in months for over a year now

    No no no

    After Donetsk, the plan is not to capture any large cities

    They will bypass the large cities and just let them surrender

    With Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk alone you can't mount a serious defense, you can just hole up and try to stage a last stand

    But it won't help if Russia just cuts off all the roads leading into the cities

    It's better to just advance along all the villages and rural communities and assault the smaller ones like Pokrovsk, Poltava, Pavlograd, Mygorod etc.

    But those will be simpler as they are not surrounded by industrial fortifications or urban agglomerations

    So the urban fighting will really be Russia surrounding it and just entering from all sides

    And leaving the major cities alone with them just blocking MSR routes and if the VSU doesn't want to leave, let civilians evacuate through corridors and just storm the section you want , but definitely not a smart idea to try to assault these cities of 1 million+ people

    I think as a whole it's unnecessary as long as Russia rolls up the steppe behind Donetsk

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:00 pm

    Your making a whole lot of assumptions and that hasn't worked out well for you. But like I said it depends on the tactics when the time comes we will see how the Russians handle it

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    Post  VARGR198 Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:14 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:31 pm

     it took three months with more forces focused for Russia to take Avi
    Because the city and her surroundings were prepared in the last 8+ years for their role as "fortress".
    Didn´t work so well.
    There is nothing of that kind in any big city, not even Kijüf.
    But there are a lot of roads leading into those big cities that a "defender" has to look at.
    At lot of roads an assault force can use to bypass those units and attack them from behind.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 23, 2024 4:58 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Because the city and her surroundings were prepared in the last 8+ years for their role as "fortress".
    Didn´t work so well.
    There is nothing of that kind in any big city, not even Kijüf.
    But there are a lot of roads leading into those big cities that a "defender" has to look at.
    At lot of roads an assault force can use to bypass those units and attack them from behind.

    That is the point that many fail to comprehend

    All it takes is an urban Topography map of Ukraine to understand what I am talking about

    Donbass is agglomeration, after agglomeration

    It is industrial zone flanked by industrial zone

    With many apartment blocks and factories near to one another

    It is the ideal place to stage a defense

    That's why all Ukro brigades and all Russian forces are concentrated in this area only

    This is not going to replicate in the rest of Ukraine, once Donbass falls

    The only choice Ukrainians have are trenches in flat land, with the exception that there is no aviation, nor serious artillery to maintain a surovikin line for VSU

    But there are no massive cities and agglomeration for them to occupy after donbass

    They have cities that are isolated and hundreds of kilometers apart

    The rest of the war won't resemble donetsk

    Russia reached Kiev in 2 weeks for that reason - and that was with less than 150,000 men

    Once Donbass is dismantled, Ukro Bandera regime might have a month or 2 of mobile defense, but the horde that Russian has amassed won't be impeded anymore by concrete jungles and steel high rises

    They will just crash to the Dnieper like a tidal wave

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:09 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53 - Page 37 Ato_ma10
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    Here for those who are map challenged
    Compare with Kharkov oblast

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    Kharkov is by itself

    Lozova and Izyum are also lonely urban sites

    The rest of the left bank looks that way

    Isolated cities, with a lot of rural settlements, but nothing compared to Donbass oblast

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:13 pm

    Here is Dnepropetrovsk

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    Is is one lonely city, with Krivoy Rog and Kamyansk on the right bank

    There is no storming or assault to be done here

    Same with Chernigov

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    Understand how this is going to go

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    A lonely sumy

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    A lonely Poltava

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:23 pm


    Watching the good old boys losing their shit on CNN over Navalni kicking the bucket is hilarious, taking it as personally as it gets

    They really had huge plans for that clown it seems

    They should do more thorough medical for the next guy to avoid needless stress down the road

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:32 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Here is why Nato weapons have failed so much.



    tl;dw: Their military industry is profit driven, not purpose driven.

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    Post  marcellogo Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:48 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:

    Here is why Nato weapons have failed so much.



    tl;dw: Their military industry is profit driven, not purpose driven.

    I've seen it but i'm absolutely not convinced about.

    The fact that it take that monstrosity that was the MBT-70 as an example of what it could have been a standardized tank for the NATO, just because it depone in favour of its own thesis is just laughable.

    So, according of its reasoning the fault for such a lack of standardization should be of us Europeans that continue to remain independent countries , each with our own military-industrial sector and projects (usually even better than average american ones) instead of becoming US colonies?
    Certainly the fact that US military companies, being private search almost for their own profit is an aberration but European and also russian ones are State-owned but still operate in an open market, so almost them there should be not any difference in regard to industrialization potential.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:53 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    All it takes is an urban Topography map of Ukraine to understand what I am talking about

    The reason is because folks can't get a point.
    Check my discussion with our bro from Indonesia.
    Having no experience, eye witnessing - it is all gorillas in the mist.
    I remember back in 1999 when an earthquake struck Turkey with 20k victims.
    The first thing that came into my mind, was how it is even possible.
    We don't deal with natural earthquakes here at all.
    But we do have some localized events in Silesia, connected with mining - some 3-5 deg. on a scale.
    How an earthquake can kill so many people?!?
    The thing was much over my radar - just impossible.
    Well ... I had my first holiday in Turkey a month later.
    And I saw 5-6 story buildings made on pillars .. made of bricks.
    You have a floor of solid concrete after, but it holds on pillars.
    Made of bricks.
    If anything shakes, those pillars just fall apart.
    This was a moment when I realized how that happened, as I was building my first house right then.
    With pillars made of reinforced concrete, 16mm bars cage construction each.
    And B40 concrete was poured.
    Twelve of those.
    For a one-family house.
    100m2 for a floor.
    And a floor and ceiling were made of reinforced concrete, too.

    The way Europe is built is different from every other place.
    Donbas is a really special case, as the scale of its urbanization and industrialization is insane.
    A 20k "village". With 8-floor buildings.

    This is why fracking was so hard there, and it was cited by the Ukro Fuehrers back in the early 00s.
    "Too many people!"
    Tymoshenko bit%ch was yapping about that loud.


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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:34 pm

    Another A-50 was shot down today.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:35 pm

    Not sure when Russia will start shooting down surveillance craft flying near their borders. Putin's patience has no limits.

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