If they had a decent IFF, this would not happen , the batteries would see a friendly marker on radar
But this is an area where there is a significant delay to change anything
It is a modern problem... friendly fire on the ground is perfectly normal in western military operations... it is relatively unusual for air power because the enemy almost never has air power so like that drone hitting that US base in the Middle East... when they hear a drone come in they think it is their own drone returning from a mission.
The Ukrainian military was truly created in the image of Western Woke Values..
Western politicians have been using spin doctors for the last few decades to make bad news look good... it is the main reason they can't be trusted, because they cannot say a nice thing about their political opponents... it is war.... even when it isn't...
If I were Russia, I would use nerve gas to attack underground. Especially in resistance in factories and underground places. The gas is good for cockroaches and pests, so it will work for the Ukrainians and NATO agents
When talking about underground facilities you just need to find the ventilation system and build some fires near them and put green vegetation on the fires and wait.
There is no need for warcrimes to be committed... which the west would pounce upon and go nuts over.
I doubt they would have the necessary nerve agent for the job... the Russians have disposed of their chem and bio weapons programmes because of agreements to do so. Something the US and the west in general clearly violated too.
Fighterbomber also confirmed an A-50 last month and a Su-34 in December but so far no evidence proving either case, I don't know why people still bother to look at what these idiots have to say about downed aircraft.
It is interesting that ships get sunk and planes get shot down when Ukraine suffers a major defeat on the battlefield. Those drone attacks wont be very easy or very cheap and would take a lot of effort and risk to mount those attacks. Even that attack that hit that ship and sub in dry dock probably cost them 10-20 storm shadows, probably the same number of MALD decoys and likely a couple of aircraft shot down too.... the cost of the operation was probably greater than the cost of the damage by a huge margin... but the last thing the west is interested in is value for money. (as they divert money into their own pockets while no one is looking.)
There is a video of Su35
https://t.me/kalibrated/8526
Unfortunately it was friendly fire
As long as the pilot survived it is just a plane... they are making those all the time.
I wonder how they manage to shoot down a su-35 in their own territory.
As Ark mentioned, flying low and fast the time available for the shoot down is seconds rather than minutes and if they decide to not shoot and that low fast flying target was a Storm Shadow then you will complain that they let it through.
So for all their AD fire they should have time to contact the plane. Yet they still manage to destroy their own planes.
So you want low flying fast Russian fighters to answer radio calls from hundreds of AD batteries all the way in to a target and hundreds more on the way out and back to home base?
That is interesting. Not practical, but interesting.
BTW didn't a Patriot SAM system shoot down a Tornado in the gulf war... and it tried to shoot down an F-16 as well but the F-16 had an ARM and hit the Patriot battery first.
What they need is better coordination between their AF and Air defence forces... a pilot flying a plane around the place should be linked to the Air defence Network to share information and to use its sensors and weapons to fill the gaps in the system with its radar and sensors and weapons.
IMO instead of wasting time with anti satellite weapons they should just improve their own IFF, AWACS, ELINT, and command and control capabilities
I suspect they are doing both, but neither are trivial problems.
Friendly fire on aircraft, losing ships because they are using iron sights to shoot at USV, and generally things that could be prevented with the right technology
That is the problem though.... in a conflict like this there are always going to be soft weak targets... ships and subs in dry dock... ancient landing ships... old cruisers that have not been properly upgraded for 30 years... and of course civilian targets which they will always fall back on when no military target can be reached.
Whining about a few hits here and there while their forces are being driven out of fortified positions they have held longer than the Germans held lines in WWI is ridiculous... the Orcs are getting smashed while getting a few lucky hits that barely cause a scratch and claiming victory.
Russian forces are never going to be perfect and they will strive to fix problems and issues as they come up, but some issues need serious changes and adaptations that will take time.
We see the use of drones and anti drone systems like cages and nets and jammers, but the corrections to improve the air defence situation are probably rather less obvious and will take more time.
Integrating all aircraft into the air defence network and create communication channels... not just for warning and avoid blue on blue incidents, but also to share target data so targets can be shared and engaged by a lot more platforms... the sooner you eliminate threats and targets the faster you grind down the enemy force and weaken him to other attacks.
They could all be fixed easily, but they are very slow to implement these changes
Of course... easy to fix... no problem at all... right... Americans have been shelling and bombing their allies for centuries... and it still happens.
So called friendly fire is an issue no country is on top of...
If IFF were poor we would see hundreds of shot down planes/helicopters and not only a handful
after 500.000+ sorties flown and tens of thousands of successfully destroyed air targets of all kind.
Actually you could probably triple that number of sorties because drones are counted and each sortie gives you two opportunities to shoot it down... going out and coming back.
The AD doesn't know if a low flying aircraft heading towards friendly lines is an enemy drone or missile, or a friendly drone or aircraft returning from a mission. Equally a low flying target moving from Russian to Orc lines could be a returning aircraft or drone of the enemy side... or might have entered friendly airspace further up the line of contact to hit you from an unexpected direction.
AD is complex and the Russians are orders of magnitude better than the west at it.
It essentially lofts a MANPAD much higher and is a jet powered missile that can loiter . INGENOUS!!!
The European ALARM anti radiation missile had a lot of flight modes and one of them was to zoom climb to high altitude and deploy a parachute.... as it fell it listened for radar signals of air defence systems and if it detected one it cut the parachute and lit up a rocket motor and dived down at high speed on the radar emitting target. A flight of aircraft flying low and fast could launch several ALARMS on its flight route to cover their entry and escape from hostile territory...
Much much better than HARM...
The car with the N@zi leader was blown up by the “Russian DRG” in the suburbs of Odessa
So it seems the terrorist shelling of Russian territory has finally born fruit... this attack in Odessa and the attack on a drone factory in Lvov suggests the Russians are supporting resistance groups in enemy held territory... even including Spain it seems...
Interesting development.
According to a media report, the government of US President Joe Biden is considering delivering high-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine. As the NBC news channel reports, citing two US officials, the ballistic weapons with a range of up to 300 kilometers could become part of the $ 60 billion aid package, which is currently being blocked by the Republicans.
The ironic thing is that the longer range ballistic missiles will actually be much easier to detect and engage with Russian air defence systems. Most of their systems would be easily able to deal with a 300km range ballistic missile...
Russia has not properly enforced its red lines so far. This is why this is happening now.
This is happening now because the west is proud and can't admit when it is wrong... even at the cost of a million dead Ukrainians. They can't back down because they fear appearing weak so much they would rather to continue walking in the quicksand...
It is damaging their economies and their control of international organisations that gave them defacto control of the planet.
The longer they take to admit they were wrong and back down the greater the damage they will sustain... and they could lose everything.
Imagine if Dunkirk was not a "great retreat", but was instead a last stand... in the retreat they lost weapons and ammo and equipment, but they kept trained soldiers... if they had doubled down and stood their ground and the Germans wiped them out... first of all the Germans might have been a bit annoyed at the greater loss of men and equipment in the battle and it might have made them think that now that the UK had lost all those men that an attack on the UK made more sense than an attack on the Soviet Union. Remember Germany thought the Soviets were apparently strong but were in fact actually weak... kick the door and the whole house collapses... well what if they decided to defeat the threat to their backs... the UK... before attacking the Soviets... maybe 1943... by which time the Soviets would have Yaks and La-5s and T-34s and KV-1s and would have completed their reforms they were planning from experience in the conflict against Finland... The Soviet would not be at war with the Germans yet so they would be selling oil and steel and material to Germany as Germany destroys the UK... and Stalin could do what the west did... wait until Germany and the UK had worn each other out and then Stalin would attack Germany and likely take all of Europe.
Russia needs to start striking the West directly. Their cities. Their factories. Their infrastructure. Their military. Their civilians. Unless Russia fails to do this Russia will eventually lose because the West will keep escalating.
Russia is currently grinding the western proxy of Kievs forces into the dirt. Making this WWIII would not improve things for Russia, but of course Kiev would be overjoyed if they were that stupid. Kiev is that stupid but Russia is not.
Russia can just destroy western material as it enters the Ukraine and it seems resistance groups in the Ukraine are gaining strength and operating openly now... this is a good sign for Russia and a terrible sign for Kiev because they don't have the men to deal with Russian forces let alone internal problems.
This could be the start of an internal civil war within the Orc kingdom... I mean they were shelling and bombing Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine so it was always a civil war of course.
Keep barking NATzO Dog. You and your family will be eliminated soon
The best punishment for the fans of the west is not to kill them... it is to let them enjoy the American dream that is coming... it does not include prosperity for everyone... only a chosen few...
But the hater toilet in the west is not so clear. Leaving it as a proxy for NATzO to arm is not a good a idea. So it must be pacified somehow and this
is not obvious.
They fixed Chechnia without carpet bombing or murdering them all... most of the time it just takes sitting down and talking with these people and they realise they have been fooled.
Look at what is happening now... Chechens are volunteering to fight in the Ukraine because they understand what it is like to be fooled by foreigners to fight Russians... to bleed and die for the entertainment of some foreign power using you as a chess piece that will be expended in their game every time.
The West is already doing that.
That is the stupidity of the west and they don't see it... but everyone else does.
The longer this conflict goes on the more the west bleeds and weakens itself and destroys its control of international organisations and creates internal conflicts that reduce its control of itself and its allies.
Not directly. One good thing they can do is give the Houthis the means to sink a carrier. That would be a massive blow to US prestige and power.
I find it amusing that people think the Houthies need help against the west... the irony is clear in the recent HATO withdrawal from Afghanistan... it is rich countries with ties to the west... with money and income on the line that the west can defeat the easiest... it is the poor jandal wearing native that scares the west because they have nothing to lose...
On board MAWS provides protection, but that too is limited.
Air defence and aircraft protection systems is a battle in itself and advancements in one area lead to investment and work on solutons in other areas to overcome those advancements.
Saying there are aircraft safe from air defences is like saying there are tanks safe from anti tank weapons... just ridiculous.
You always risk any platform in war... the point is that the value and devastation to the enemy that that platform can provide allows you to determine whether it is worth sending into battle or not.
They are testing new C4ISTAR systems on that M-55 presumably with pods for detection and countermeasures and recon purposes... that will almost certainly generate data for any battlefield and combining it with information from other airborne sources could lead to enemy low flying fast missiles and aircraft being detected rather earlier and properly identified and allowing the first AD battery it passes over to shoot it down with confidence.
Of course some threats are drones like FPV drones which might get airborne 300m away from the target it is going to attack so the ability of a battlefield wide air defence system to deal with that is minimal... but of course it is expected local jammers and laser defence systems and of course smoke and other equipment like APS systems on vehicles can deal with that automatically because of the short time available... if a drone is attacking your vehicle it really doesn't matter if it is an enemy drone or a friendly drone.
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In #Kherson Direction, without changes, an AFU boats were sunk again during an attempt to land on the left bank.
The AFU struck #Makeyevka with MLRS today, damaged an oil depot, there is a wounded man. Three children in #Panteleymonovka and a resident of #Donetsk were injured. Furthermore they tried to attack a civilian facility in #Mariupol by a British kamikaze drone with 7 kg of explosives. It was intercepted and landed. #Ukraine reports that they have shot down two more Russian aircraft. So far it is known that our plane was shot down near #Mariupol. Moreover, according to the first version, by our own air defence. The MoD refrains from commenting which is not a good trend.
Our Forces hit In #Kramatorsk enterprises used by the AFU to create armored parts for military equipment. In one of the hangars, a Bradley IFV was covered. In #Lvov, an enterprise producing drones burned at night. They write that the underground put down their security and set the plant on fire.
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In the evening, “near one of the military facilities in the suburbs of Odessa” (in Gvardeyskoye), a car of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army exploded and one of the leaders of the Right Sector, Albert Kruchinin, and his wife were riding in it; doctors are trying to save them, the N@zi group said.
external look compared to the Jdam.
