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    Post  mnztr Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:49 pm

    If the A50 is lost then its due to carelessness. This plane has no reason to be operating within range of the front lines. Maybe an SU-27 was sent for it. In any case Russia has 22 of them with about 8 being the latest mod, and a newer version being finalized. I hope its not the case but its a stark reminder that amidst the successes, Russian boys are still dying in significant numbers and Ukraine needs to be brought to heel
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:53 pm

    I doubt A50U has been lost

    For one, the sea of azov depth is 7 metres, 14 metres at the deepest point

    The height of A50U is 14 metres

    If this plane was shot down over the sea of azov, it would be easy to find, as Azov is not much more than a diving pool

    As for overland shoot down, pictures would be easy to find

    I wouldn't pay attention to it unless real evidence comes out, which by now isn't top hard to find, given that il22 was quickly posted



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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:15 pm

    I agree with the others here. It is a wait and see but in either case, it would be easy to prove. We already have photo of damaged Il-22. So I'm guessing there was mixed messages if it was a Il-22 or A-50 so they went with both claims.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:02 pm

    Loose an awacs to friendly fire is very bad. Elint and radar signature makes it easy to recognize for russian AD.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:11 pm

    Two main aviation channels are refusing to elaborate and saying RIP to those killed. No other info. They do know, but they are keeping the dignity and waiting for MOD instead of running their mouth like almost all other channels do.

    I am even afraid to check Ukrainian channels… last time these idiots talked about Patriot and F-16…
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:58 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:I think that there is around another 200k in the UK.

    EU hosts 4.27 million Ukrainian refugees - Eurostat.

    The largest number of Ukrainians in:

    Germany - 1,235,960 (28.9 per cent);
    Poland - 955 110 (22.3 per cent)
    Czech Republic - 369 330 (8.6 per cent).

    In fact, this is only half the truth. Most Ukrainians have fled to Russia. And there are 5.3 million of them!


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    Have you seen any Ukrainians in England?



    The map is very misleading:


    1) The number of them in Poland is very under-reported. They have been coming to Poland in more significant numbers since at least 2014.

    2) There are more than a few of them in the U.K.

    3) And what about the Netherlands?


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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:40 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    The map is very misleading:


    1) The number of them in Poland is very under-reported. They have been coming to Poland in more significant numbers since at least 2014.

    2) There are more than a few of them in the U.K.

    3) And what about the Netherlands?



    and more importantly, how many fled to Russia ?

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:01 pm

    Regular wrote:Two main aviation channels are refusing to elaborate and saying RIP to those killed. No other info. They do know, but they are keeping the dignity and waiting for MOD instead of running their mouth like almost all other channels do.

    I am even afraid to check Ukrainian channels… last time these idiots talked about Patriot and F-16…

    I don't remember russian MoD admitting any loss in this war.

    Even for the Moskva they barely talked. Same for all their jets that were shot down, 0 info from them.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:14 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    and more importantly, how many fled to Russia ?


    An estimated 5.3M
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:56 pm

    NSFW for killed troops

    18+, Kiev's assaults over the Kherson river


    RF SU-25 flyby


    RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone


    RF Hurricane artillery firing

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:17 pm

    18+, Kiev's assaults over the Kherson river
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    So that are the big amphibious assaults by the Banderites, two dudes in a boat. thumbsup

    You have to ask, are those guys retarded or on drugs?
    After seeing hundreds of boats getting destroyed, hundreds of fighters drowning, hundreds of dead bodies waiting on the
    other side...
    Why don´t they shoot their superiors?
    There is no military value in that operation. Even a complete moron should realize that.

    RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
    Agile move.
    A baseball bat could be a good anti-drone weapon. Very Happy

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:38 pm

    Hahaha lol1 , i wanted to add a stauffenberg joke in that 18+ post. but removed it at the last second.
    But indeed, it is insane.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:20 pm

    Hole wrote:

    RF soldier dodges Ukrainian drone
    Agile move.
    A baseball bat could be a good anti-drone weapon. Very Happy

    Well you had best not hit the front but it still may go off. Were the guys swearing the drone operators? Thats a good move, once the are in the terminal dive it should not be that hard to dodge them. They should get the troops to practice dodge ball so they are ready for drones.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:11 am

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    🇷🇺🚨‼ FRIENDLY FIRE: A Russian BUK missile hit an Il-22. The injured crew landed the plane safely.

    -> No AWACS Plane was involved, hence not hit nor downed.

    Regarding the successfully landing of the Il-22 after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile, even with wounded on board.

    Moreover, the pilot who made it to the airfield was himself seriously wounded. A true hero of Russia.

    This is not the first time that this aircraft has successfully survived under SAM fire, only, apparently, this time the fire turned out to be friendly.

    Thus, at the beginning of last year it became known that the Il-22M-11, while working behind the front line on April 3, 2022, was hit near the side by two anti-aircraft missiles from the Ukrainian Buk air defense system.

    Despite more than 200 holes, leaking fuel and only one normally working engine, the commander of the Il-22 was able to make it to Rostov-on-Don, where he made a successful landing.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:02 am

    Good to hear, although even the damage to IL22 is not a thing to be happy about

    Well I guess they can cannibalize one of those reserve planes to change the tail section
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:07 am

    And the truth is here...

    I hope they take this opportunity to look into replacing older aircraft with newer ones and of course examine what happened to make it much less likely to happen again in the future.

    Russian AD is so good it is better than the enemies AD that includes old Soviet stuff and brand new HATO stuff...

    Maybe new Tu-214 based replacements for the Il-20s and Il-22s and other old aircraft...
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    Post  franco Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:16 am

    Who knew...the Irish were right pale

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Jan 16, 2024 3:18 am

    Do not trust it. Frankly if there was any natosphere involvement then missiles should hit at least two elint aircraft the west is flying bear the conflict zone. And no I do not mean a drone. I mean the top tier stuff. In fact it is time Russia poked NATO in both eyes.

    Then let them do what they want. Tit for that on any horseshit they pulled.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:43 am

    JohninMK wrote:Lord Bebo
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    🇷🇺🚨‼ FRIENDLY FIRE: A Russian BUK missile hit an Il-22. The injured crew landed the plane safely.

    -> No AWACS Plane was involved, hence not hit nor downed.

    Regarding the successfully landing of the Il-22 after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile, even with wounded on board.

    Moreover, the pilot who made it to the airfield was himself seriously wounded. A true hero of Russia.

    This is not the first time that this aircraft has successfully survived under SAM fire, only, apparently, this time the fire turned out to be friendly.

    Thus, at the beginning of last year it became known that the Il-22M-11, while working behind the front line on April 3, 2022, was hit near the side by two anti-aircraft missiles from the Ukrainian Buk air defense system.

    Despite more than 200 holes, leaking fuel and only one normally working engine, the commander of the Il-22 was able to make it to Rostov-on-Don, where he made a successful landing.


    That's actually terrifying tho. Why that Buk run loose ? Does it not operate in conjunction with higher echelon (e.g 9S18 radar). Tho also make sense for Buk as the TELAR have NO IFF whatsoever even the latest Buk dont have them. Why ? emmission security, can't risk the battery being exposed just because it tries to interrogate.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:44 am

    We have a lot of 6th column fluff from Russian bloggers such as Rybar. Mercouris frames this nicely in his latest video. Rybar
    was bleating about ice on the Dnepr making it easy for Ukr bridgehead efforts to proceed but now is spewing the exact opposite
    line. Rybar and other such outfits may as well be NATzO psyops. They really do work in tandem with Kiev regime social media
    propaganda. Agitation is not just about one side making claims of success, it is also about the "other" side pushing defeatist
    drivel. The NATzO expectation that the Russian government would be destabilized by this proxy war must have been based
    on something other than lunatic delusions. They must have an array of assets in Russia that. I think these 6th column
    bloggers are 5th column stooges.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:49 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    That's actually terrifying tho. Why that Buk run loose ? Does it not operate in conjunction with higher echelon (e.g 9S18 radar).  Tho also make sense for Buk as the TELAR have NO IFF whatsoever even the latest Buk dont have them.  Why ? emmission security, can't risk the battery being exposed just because it tries to interrogate.

    We have no information about the operators of this particular system. Was it friendly fire or was it Ukr infiltration. Russians and Ukrainians are interchangeable since they
    are the same ethnic group at the end of the day. It is surprising that more sabotage efforts have not happened. Perhaps we don't hear about most of them.

    If it was merely a technical issue, then the number of such "accidents" would be vastly higher.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:48 am


    Safe corridor , variable on daily basis , can be set up for planes landing and taking-off . Supposing IFF is not working 100% , then guns simply physically limited in pointing in safe direction ?

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:23 am

    Yeah I think the 6th columnist types great and small exist. Try going to an actual Russian defense forum. The negativity and seething is at bizarre levels. But I will say one thing. If I were one of the shot callers in Russia I would make it clear that if another a-50 gets touched, even by "bird strike", then I would call for the destruction of western elint working for Ukraine even in natosphere countries.

    But it is probably for the best I am not a shot caller, and for many reasons. Russia knows what they must do.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:49 am

    kvs wrote:

    If it was merely a technical issue, then the number of such "accidents" would be vastly higher.


    If it's sabotage it would be far more frequent tbh. as Ukrainians wants to reduce as much as firepower as possible to the Russians instead of wasting all those potentials on publicity attacks and make beliefs.

    Technical issues can be found and remedied relatively rapidly.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:18 am

    Most definitely not FSB wrote:Agent Arestovich: the Ukraine will lose, but who will be cleared out, let's speak the truth, the extreme patriots, and Russophobes, Nazis and Banderites, in short. The rest of the population will live just as before


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