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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:57 pm

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:33 pm

    Kharkov hotel number 2
    How many Hotels are left? Twisted Evil

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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:38 pm

    par far wrote:kIXXdaUKGcg

    NATzO and its Kiev quislings are pathetic. The drivel about Kinzhals being taken out by Patriot systems is pathetic cope that is supposed to be
    cunning misinformation.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:54 pm

    The White House announced the suspension of supplies of weapons and equipment to Ukraine, 01.11.2024.

    The United States is suspending supplies of weapons and military equipment to Ukraine , since Washington has no budgetary funds left to provide financial assistance. John Kirby, coordinator for strategic communications at the White House National Security Council, announced this on January 11.

    "Yes. We issued the last package of available supplies that we had funding to support,” he said at a briefing broadcast on the White House social media account X.

    At the same time, Kirby noted that it is now critical for the US presidential administration that Congress approve further funding. This will allow us to continue helping Ukraine.

    “The need to provide Kyiv with new American weapons is now urgent, especially in the winter months,” he emphasized.

    https://iz.ru/1633134/2024-01-11/belyi-dom-soobshchil-o-priostanovke-postavok-oruzhiia-i-tekhniki-ukraine

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:21 pm

    par far wrote:

    Surovikin was just sending them in waves mainly against energy infrastructure, which had negligible effect

    To be fair, the ground forces understand these strikes differently to the VKS, and also it must have been coordinated with the government which wanted to bring Kiev to negotiations- so hitting the energy infrastructure played a certain role

    But Afzalov has turned it on its head, the missile swarms of VKS is not aimed at irritating anyone

    They are aimed at collapsing what remains of Ukrainian industrial and war making capability

    Afzalov, as most VKS officers see that the main target of missiles should be the enemies war industry

    And so these missiles are hitting factories, manpower, and logistical targets exclusively, none are wasted on anything which does not have to do with Ukraines war capability

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:30 pm


    Another red line. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:36 am

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:22 am

    Arrow wrote:
    Another red line. Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

    https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1745488847511711829?s=20

    The pounding that Ukria has been getting over the last few weeks is a clear signal that long range missile attack plans are going to be
    terminally costly. So let NATzO send these missiles.

    Russia has proven that it can intercept anything NATzO has supplied Ukria. It has literally shut down all the HIMARS and Storm Shadow
    plans and we have a tiny number of "leaks" that "succeed".

    I expect that any long range missile attacks will be met with punitive retaliation that will take out roads, bridges and power distribution.
    So Ukria will not get guaranteed hits but it will get guaranteed pain.


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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:14 am

    lancelot wrote:
    I think the worst thing is how the UK doesn't take advantage of being outside the EU to negotiate better trade deals for itself. They keep shooting themselves on the foot by excluding huge economies like the Russian and Chinese one.


    Its not so easy, Firstly the EU has to punish the UK. The UK doing well post Brexit is not good for the EU. Secondly, everyone knows the UK is desperate. Even Canada is giving the UK the cold shoulder as the EU is far more important, One thing most nations with trading ties to the EU will be SURE is that an trade deal with the UK is less favorable then what the EU gets.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:17 am

    Hole wrote:
    Kharkov hotel number 2
    How many Hotels are left? Twisted Evil


    Their hotel stock will be depleted by February.
    Laughing

    kvs wrote:
    NATzO and its Kiev quislings are pathetic.   The drivel about Kinzhals being taken out by Patriot systems is pathetic cope that is supposed to be
    cunning misinformation.  

    And what did you expect?
    They are presenting BETAB bomb as downed Kinzhal with a serious face.
    Staging ceremonial burial and digging it up later Laughing Laughing
    It jumps out of the box, seriously dunno

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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:23 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I am watching the ICJ case against Israel presented by South Africa

    It is shocking

    I tip my hat to those who urged to remain calm during the opening days of the SVO

    When I called for mass destruction, out of anger for the deaths of heroes

    But now I see it differently, I see that heroes fought man to man, against a force capable to defend itself, in other words there was honor to die against Bandera

    But I see this case, how 90%+ of all casualties are civilians

    And how less than 2% of all casualties during the SVO are civilians

    That is honor, that is a just war, and those who died are HEROES and will forever be known for that


    What Russia has achived in economy of civilian casulaties is unprecedented in the history of warfare. They have used evacuation corridors and not resorted to seige tactics. I think Putins older brother died in seige of Leningrad. Perhaps he has been determined to not resort to such tactics to win wars. Putin evacuates children and gets accused of genocide, The Israelis slaughter babies and children and somehow the West defends them. We are in a bizzaro world here.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:09 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    It is 18 and 88 and not 888.
    Learn your signs you imbecile.

    You have no problem hiring Ukrainian Nazis to work for you.

    First of all not all ethnic Ukranians are Nazis.
    Second thing is 888 clearly shows that Alamo is not a Nazi.
    Thirdly "18 and 88" clearly shows you are...

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 12, 2024 9:13 am

    Answering to frustrated ape clown is a waste of your time bro Laughing
    His clear pain in the ass brought him a decent place in a cage a long time ago.
    He can't be considered serious, even if compared with other apes in the zoo. Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:02 am

    Joining the EEC was ok for the UK. But yes it was bad for other traditional trade partners in the Commonwealth.

    It was a choice the UK made with no talks or consultation with its own commonwealth so to say we felt abandoned is an understatement.

    Of course now the UK has exited the EU... I particularly enjoyed hearing Brexiteers saying... we have the whole commonwealth to trade with, we don't need the EU... well you didn't talk to us about that either... we already trade with the rest of the world... we had to... in fact we were in a similar place to Russia regarding the EU... we had lots of food products that we sold to the UK and suddenly we got cut off, so we had all these resources... milk, cheese, butter, wool, etc etc and so we started exploring and expanding into different markets... many of which started out closed to us, but we gradually managed to sell our products... and the UK thinks we are going to drop everything and start selling to them everything they want and buying from them everything they want to sell.... this could be entertaining...

    They keep shooting themselves on the foot by excluding huge economies like the Russian and Chinese one. Losing privileged access to the EU market will only make the UK's economy worse.

    They seem to have a rather inflated view of themselves and don't realise that they are not actually that important to Russia or China for that matter so when they jump up on their soap box and declare they will no longer trade with Russia or China over this or that crime they alledge is most likely to have happened I rather suspect Russia and China will not actually care very much.

    New Zealand is surrounded by water and has a very mild climate... very occasionally the temperature will get up into the low 30 degrees C and at its coldest we might have a day with a minus 8 degree frost which most people will talk about for years. Daily temperatures in the middle of winter here in Dunedin will hover between 5 and 8 degrees C with it dropping to perhaps minus 2 or 4 overnight... most summers it is between 22 and 30 degrees... it never gets really hot and it never gets really cold... so farming can take a large scale where you can have tens of thousands of sheep and never have to bring them inside when it gets really cold.

    If you were to flip the globe New Zealand is about level with the Mediterranean Sea and has more land area than the UK with a population half the size of London.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:10 am

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    122 mm bullets used by the Russian army. From left to right, bullets made by Iran, North Korea and Russia, which the artillery unit of this country's army uses against NATO. Russians have many complaints about North Korean projectiles and they say that their cost is not real and they do not reach the desired range, but the quality of Iran's projectiles is good and significant and has satisfied Russian users

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:19 am

    There were some reports that the issue with Korean ones is based on propellant rather than the projectile itself.
    Those are reported to be of low and unsustainable quality, with nominally the same charges having different amounts of propellant, and even that in some cases is not being burned properly.
    I guess that comrade Kim will order some shootings with a few officials chained to the barrels Laughing Laughing

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    If you were to flip the globe New Zealand is about level with the Mediterranean Sea and has more land area than the UK with a population half the size of London.

    NZ is surely an adorable place to live, yet your immigration policy is something that can be easily called an state level organized fraud Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:00 pm

    There were some reports that the issue with Korean ones is based on propellant rather than the projectile itself.
    Those are reported to be of low and unsustainable quality, with nominally the same charges having different amounts of propellant, and even that in some cases is not being burned properly.
    I guess that comrade Kim will order some shootings with a few officials chained to the barrels

    I have heard the North Koreans use different markings for different shells because some of their shells use different charges for different roles.

    With a howitzer you often have different charge options and with 152mm rounds often there were standard charges and reduced charges for close targets and high power charges for very long range shots.

    When shooting at targets that are close you actually aim high up into the air so the shells come down almost vertically... this gives the best result against things like trenches and also has the best fragmentation patterns, but if you use a full power or extra power propellant charge the extra propellent is wasted firing the round higher up into the air which reduces accuracy because it has more time effected by wind and believe it or not... the rotation of the earth.

    The reduced charge shells are for shorter range shots... it means the shell is in the air for a shorter period of time so it hits faster and earlier and also has less time to fly off aim. Another advantage is barrel life is much less effected by the reduced charge shells so if you have to fire at targets at extreme range with the extra energy charges using the reduced power charges increases the number of shots you can fire before you need a new barrel.

    I am sure North Korea and Iran will appreciate feed back on the experience of these soldiers in a real conflict.


    NZ is surely an adorable place to live, yet your immigration policy is something that can be easily called an state level organized fraud

    The irony is that we let in a white nutter from Australia that murdered 51 people that we are going to have to babysit for an extended period of time now...

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:27 pm

    Surovikin was just sending them in waves mainly against energy infrastructure, which had negligible effect
    The aim was do deplete the AD systems. Which worked.

    Another red line.
    Every time the West crossed one of Russias red lines the rump state which will be left of Banderaland got smaller and smaller.
    Other answers for such acts: BRICS+ with SA and Iran. Connecting Russian and Iranian banks. Throwing France out of another african country.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jan 12, 2024 2:01 pm

    Former Ukrainian prosecutor who accused Bidens of corruption could be assassinated – ex-MP, 01.12.2024.

    Viktor Shokin has dirt on the US president’s family and Kiev is using him as a bargaining chip, Andrey Derkach has claimed.

    The former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who was famously sacked by then-President Pyotr Poroshenko under pressure from US President Joe Biden, is being used by the current government in Kiev as a bargaining chip with Washington, controversial former MP Andrey Derkach has claimed in an interview.

    Biden had Poroshenko sack Shokin in 2016, when he was vice president in the Obama administration, threatening to withhold a $1 billion loan unless his demands were met. The now-incumbent US president claimed that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt, but also bragged about getting rid of the man. Critics of Biden have alleged that he used his office to derail an investigation into the gas firm Burisma, which infamously retained his son Hunter on a well-paid board position during his father’s tenure as Obama’s VP.

    Derkach made his explosive claims in an interview recorded in Minsk, Belarus, with Italian-US journalist Simona Mangiante, published on Wednesday on X (formerly Twitter).

    “Shokin is now a hostage on Ukrainian territory. As far as I know, he is not allowed to leave Ukraine. He is under the total control of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU),” he claimed.
    President Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken on the US side, and President Vladimir Zelensky and his chief-of-staff Andrey Yermak on the Ukrainian side, are interested in information possessed by Shokin, according to Derkach.

    He claimed that last October Shokin had contacts with two attorneys “working with the US Congress,” Jake Greenberg and Clark Abourisk. The SBU “recorded those conversations, where Shokin told the Congress about real criminal acts of Blinken and Biden, and about the corruption of the Biden family.”

    The former official said he’d been tipped off about the surveillance by sources inside the SBU. Derkach is an intelligence officer by background and served in the Ukrainian agency before being elected to parliament.

    He claimed that his sources had told him that “the question of liquidating Mr Shokin on the territory of Ukraine is under consideration.” He urged the US Congress to ensure the man’s safety and extraction from his home country.

    Derkach spoke in Russian throughout the hour-long interview and touched on a number of sensitive aspects of US-Ukraine relations, including those he’d been personally involved in.

    He was the official that published in 2020 what he claimed to be recordings of conversations that Biden and Poroshenko had in 2015-2016. In the interview this week he claimed that at the time he was acting with the blessing of Zelensky's office, which was seeking to discredit the former president.

    Washington branded Derkach a Russian agent in 2022 and indicted him for allegedly interfering in the 2020 US presidential elections. Last year, Ukraine accused him of treason, also claiming he was working for Moscow. Zelensky stripped him of his Ukrainian citizenship in January 2023.

    Derkach has denied the accusations and claims in the interview that the Ukrainian charges against him were brought after Kiev failed to dispose of him by other means, on a direct request from Antony Blinken.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/590440-derkach-shokin-biden-corruption/

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:02 pm

    The quality of the NK and Iranian shells also depends on their age. Different manufacturing details imply differences in shelf life.
    Also, Russia can store shells for longer because of a colder environment. I doubt that Iran and NK run climate controlled ammo dumps.

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    Post  franco Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:21 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation (for the period from January 6 to January 12, 2024).

    In the period from January 6 to 12, 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 23 group strikes with high-precision long-range air and sea-based weapons, including hypersonic Dagger aviation missile systems, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles, against enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine engaged in the production, modernization and repair of aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles aircraft, armored vehicles, missile launchers and artillery systems.

    The locations of units of the armed forces of Ukraine, formations of nationalists and foreign mercenaries were also affected. The aim of the strikes has been achieved. All assigned objects are hit.

    In the Kupyansk direction, during the week, units of the "Western" grouping of troops improved the position along the front edge in certain areas and repelled 27 attacks and counterattacks by assault groups of the 32nd, 43rd, 115th mechanized, 57th motorized infantry, 25th airborne, 95th airborne assault brigades in the areas of the settlements of Sinkovka, Ivanovka, Peschanoe and Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region.

    The enemy's losses during the week amounted to over 585 military personnel, three tanks, 14 armored combat vehicles, 18 vehicles, 11 field artillery guns, as well as a Grad MLRS launcher.

    In the Krasnolimansk direction, units of the Center group of forces, with the support of aviation and artillery fire, defeated concentrations of manpower of the 63rd, 66th mechanized brigades, 100th and 125th air defense brigades, 5th and 13th brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova of the Luhansk People's Republic, Torskoye, Yampolovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as Serebryansk forestry.

    The enemy lost up to 995 soldiers killed and wounded, five armored combat vehicles, 25 vehicles and five field artillery pieces.

    In the Donetsk direction, units of the "Southern" group of troops, supported by aviation and artillery fire, repelled six enemy attacks. They inflicted fire damage on units of the 22nd, 28th, 42nd and 93rd mechanized, as well as the 3rd, 5th and 92nd assault brigades and the 112th Air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Krasnoe, Kurdyumovka, Antonovka, Bogdanovka, Kleshcheyevka and Andreevka of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    Enemy losses during the specified period amounted to more than 1,785 military personnel, five tanks, 20 armored combat vehicles, including two Bradley IFVs and five Kozak, 63 vehicles, as well as 14 field artillery guns.

    In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces repelled seven enemy attacks. Air strikes and artillery fire inflicted fire damage on Ukrainian units in the areas of the settlements of Novomikhailovka, Paraskovievka, Pavlovka, Donetsk People's Republic and Priyutnoye, Zaporizhia region.

    The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 850 servicemen, three tanks, 11 armored combat vehicles, 22 vehicles, 15 field artillery guns, as well as a MLRS Grad combat vehicle.

    In the Zaporizhia direction, units of Russian troops occupied more advantageous lines and positions, repelled the attack of the assault group of the 3rd operational brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Rabotino, Zaporizhia region. In addition, the 117th, 118th mechanized and 128th mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the 14th and 15th brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Verbovoye, Novoprokopovka and Rabodino of the Zaporozhye region inflicted fire damage on manpower and equipment.

    The enemy's losses amounted to up to 230 soldiers, three tanks, 10 armored combat vehicles, 17 vehicles and three field artillery guns.

    In the Kherson direction, the preemptive actions of Russian troops and the complex fire defeat of the enemy thwarted attempts by Ukrainian sabotage groups to cross to the left bank of the Dnieper and to the islands.

    Air strikes and artillery fire defeated the manpower and equipment of the 35th and 38th Marine Brigades, the 121st Air Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Mikhaylovka, Tyaginka, Ivanovka, Sablukovka and Kachkarovka of the Kherson region. As a result of the actions of Russian troops, the enemy lost up to 275 servicemen, a tank, 21 vehicles, 15 boats and seven field artillery pieces killed and wounded.

    During the week, 48 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered, 35 of them in the Kupyansk direction.

    The Su-27 and Su-25 aircraft, as well as the Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force, were shot down by the Aerospace Forces and air defense means during the week. In addition, 35 HIMARS and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems, six Neptune anti-ship missiles, two MALD aircraft guided missiles and 161 unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed.

    Over the past week, tactical aviation and missile forces of the groups of troops have destroyed: two radar stations for detecting and tracking P-18 air targets, ten ammunition depots, as well as an electronic warfare station.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 567 aircraft, 265 helicopters, 10620 unmanned aerial vehicles, 447 anti-aircraft missile systems, 14578 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1202 multiple rocket launchers, 7694 field artillery and mortars, as well as 17345 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12495627@egNews

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:51 pm

    I don't remember ever seeing information on UMPK Unifitsirovannyi Modul Planirovaniya i Korrektsy

    Or unified glide and correction module

    Is indeed guided by INS and Satellite through Cometa-M receiver

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:59 pm

    Very informative vids of how the Russian field tranches are being made.

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/81023

    Vid No 1 and 2 is Russian No 2 is Ukrainian tranches.
    Mark differences Laughing

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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:52 pm

    That metal body looks like a 100$ work and the electronics cards seem to be also 100-200$. The engine used to control the wings are probably 50$ each.

    They have a glide kit of less than 1000$ that makes their bombs as precise as a missile of 300 k$.

    And it seems nato AD can intercept it.

    That's impressive and scary. They also use their own Glonass and not the GPS.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:59 pm

    And it seems nato AD can intercept it.
    You mean they can´t intercept it.
    And even if some are getting shot down, the price difference between the dumb bomb + glide kit
    and the AD missile will be huuuuuge. Win-win for Russia. Very Happy

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