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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:14 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:It seems something is taking place,  perhaps Biden is already hedging his bet

    90,000 NATO troops are accumulating for Steadfast Defender 2024

    The word is, these troops could enter the west of Ukraine in the event that the lines are broken and the Russian army gains freedom of maneuver

    Currently there are a lot of points along the front that Russian forces have captured

    - vesoloye in Seversk direction

    - avdeevka , South east direction, a pincers movement , Russia also advanced in the direction of Opytne

    - Rabotino , forces are advancing along the cauldron

    - Krynky - premature reports that the Bridgehead has been cleared out

    With this news, of course Steadfast Defender was planned in advance, but it could be the opportunity for NATO to enter western Ukraine

    It seems Russia is beginning to transfer forces towards western Belarus, remember tactical nuclear weapons Iskander are there now

    So NATO must really think about their next move

    You said same thing about the 100,000 that was on last year's exercise. Look what happened there.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:19 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    With this news, of course Steadfast Defender was planned in advance, but it could be the opportunity for NATO to enter western Ukraine

    It seems Russia is beginning to transfer forces towards western Belarus, remember tactical nuclear weapons Iskander are there now

    So NATO must really think about their next move

    An exercise to demonstrate rapid deployment if NATO troops planned 1 year in advance!!! LOL.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    But in the West these types of funds are often used to invest in other countries (just another facet of colonial rip off strategies) rather than their own.

    It was the same for Russia for quite a long time.
    Investing in their own economy required changes in the national welfare fund statute.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:44 pm

    Anyone here surprised?  Laughing

    Slovakia was left without air defense, combat aircraft and the promised money for the MiG-29 after the transfer of weapons to Ukraine by the previous authorities, - the new Minister of Defense
    - RVvoenko


    Ukrainian army fears Russian forces build-up in northern Ukraine

    The Russian Armed Forces are keeping a group of 20,000 troops near Ukraine's northern border, who are being equipped with the latest or modernised weapons. And Belarus - another 1,800 troops, in addition to border guards," said Sergei Nayev, commander of the United Forces of the AFU.

    According to Nayev, these forces are constantly conducting reconnaissance, actively building engineering and fortification structures, and shelling border areas.

    @ukraine_watch

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:48 am

    "fears"

    Because they are overstretched on the south-eastern front. This is with Russian forces taking the minimal exposure option of long range
    attrition. Mercouris noted that some NATzO rag was claiming that it was Russian soldier bodies all over the place on the failed Dnepr bridgehead.
    Retarded propaganda since it is Ukr fighters who are exposing themselves to shelling and drone attacks with their pathetic, lunatic attempts.
    The NATzO lie factory will have you believe that human waves of Russian soldiers are being sent instead of shells and missiles. NATzO is
    all about "proof by assertion".

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:46 am

    I guess the Boston marathon bombing was payback. I wonder how many Ukranians will radicalize once they realize how they have been sacrificed by the USA, and conduct acts of terror.

    They have been immersed in a bath of propaganda... when they start hearing alternative views and start to see the proof that Russian soldiers are not drunk murders who rape and then kill women and children and loved pets, they are going to start to realise they were lied to.

    As court cases for atrocities committed in Kievs name start and are made public I suspect public opinion might start to change... of course it will be resisted as Russian lies but when Russia fixes things up that have been neglected the last 10 years the west has been "helping" Kiev the people will start to realise the difference between promises and delivered infrastructure and reforms and freedom of religion and freedom to speak any language you please.

    The word is, these troops could enter the west of Ukraine in the event that the lines are broken and the Russian army gains freedom of maneuver

    That is ideal... HATO soldiers invading Ukraine to potentially fight Russian troops also in Ukraine constitutes a reason to blow the shit out of them... up to and including with nuclear weapons, and for those thinking that is an escalation too far... the logic is very simple... HATO troops in Ukraine officially is an escalation and Russia cannot just match that, they have to over escalate to demonstrate that it was a red line and if you don't roll that back there will be open war and it will be a nuclear war.

    The first missiles might be conventional hypersonic but if they don't stop, then nukes would be justified to shock the west and make it stop its reckless escalation.

    You can think slapping a bear on its nose is testing it to see if it is tame, but when it rips your face off and eats it the other people in your group lose interest in playing with the domesticated bear.



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    Post  nomadski Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:15 am



    @Garry B

    "...If Russia occupies the entire Black Sea coast Russia is going to be their Danube buddy with rights to sail the length of that river..."


    The points that you replied to from ( 1 ) to ( 4 ) , all depend on using economic or soft power by Russia to succeed . And I think that all these are within the realms of possibility . But if I admit to that , then why exclude Romania from the equation or other Black Sea nations ? Or other Euro-Asian nations , seductively and temporarily brought into NATO or EU/ Yank sphere , by minority bribed elite ? If Turkey is " largely , " behaving , and this is because of Russia soft power , then is this not a way to deal with other problems ? If EU is in trouble , and Euro-Asian economy growing , then soft power may be much more effective , than big stick ?

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 20, 2024 7:12 am

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/85643

    Themobaric guided 500kg bomb now in use. Same blast yield as a 2000kg conventional bomb..insane. In a 300m radius the presssure rises to 1800 PSI!!! Shocked

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:23 pm

    The points that you replied to from ( 1 ) to ( 4 ) , all depend on using economic or soft power by Russia to succeed .

    I don't agree... I think the west did all this shit and pissed all over Russia and Putin because they thought their military was weak and brittle and that HATO and EU and US military was all powerful and strong and that it was likely that Russia would collapse just from being kicked out of SWIFT let alone all the other economic sanctions which will destroy their economy so it is a question of leaving it long enough for the sanctions etc to take effect.

    Well actually now I think it is becoming obvious to everyone that Russia is not weak and Putin is not stupid and the Russian military learns fast and makes changes and learns from experience and mistakes which actually is making them stronger, and the BRICS stuff is a real alternative that means they don't need the west and can not only survive and grow but actually weaken the west when they turn away from western customers and trade with the rest of the world.

    The actions of the west are the actions that not only created this current conflict but are also the active ingredients that are destroying the western control of the world via its finances and economics.

    If the west actually goes through and seizes Russian assets that will be incredibly damaging to the wests control of international financial markets and economics.

    Russia just needs to continue mostly doing what it is doing and it will be fine, it is the west that is running out of time and gas and money, their economies are shrinking and the west is in debt and borrowing more continue operating, though they will also have to cut spending too which is going to upset their economies even further... immigrants and other burdens are really going to cost them and the money they owe is going to bite them in the arse as inflation causes interest rates to rise and payments to service their debt snowball and become an extra burden at a time when their economies are slowing down and even going backwards.

    Even if this conflict ends now they are not going to be able to buy cheap Russian gas because Russia has found other customers and will supply them first.

    But if I admit to that , then why exclude Romania from the equation or other Black Sea nations ?

    Romania is not going to take on the Russian Black Sea Fleet... they are not going to sacrifice their sailors, and nor is Georgia or Turkey.

    They will stay out of this like all of HATO has not officially sent any troops into Ukraine because they wont sacrifice their men for Kiev either.

    The plan was to hurt Russia with no chance of being hurt and that has already failed miserably... the economic damage to Europe is serious and mostly inflicted by the US trying to use those Euro fags to hurt Russia and it failed. No HATO country will send any troops into Ukrainian territory because they know they will be fair game... and fair game for both sides... I wouldn't be surprised if Kiev didn't launch S-300 missiles at Polish troops based in western Ukraine to get something bigger going.

    Or other Euro-Asian nations , seductively and temporarily brought into NATO or EU/ Yank sphere , by minority bribed elite ?

    The rest of the world are not interested in joining G7 sanctions against Russia... they wont be sending troops anywhere. They understand what the west started and no offers of cash or resources will entice them to commit suicide.

    They didn't get rich by being stupid. In 2014 they might have been convinced Russia was weak and they could get away with shit, but now...

    Only Western elite are that stupid or are too far down the rabbit hole to come back... and I bet a few want out.

    That is why I suggested getting rid of some unwanted territory because it offers Poland a way out to save face too.

    If Turkey is " largely , " behaving , and this is because of Russia soft power , then is this not a way to deal with other problems ?

    Turkey knows the agreements regarding the straights give them immense power and say, but if they misuse that power like the US using the US dollar as a weapon then that power can easily disappear. The treaty is a treaty... if Russia is not happy they can withdraw from the treaty, but it suits their purposes and continues to do so.

    They don't need to send more ships to the Black Sea and Turkey blocking UK and US and other ships from entering is useful for them.

    If EU is in trouble , and Euro-Asian economy growing , then soft power may be much more effective , than big stick ?

    It is about self defence, Kiev is a problem and a threat... weaken them by cutting them off from the Black Sea and you seriously limit their potential to be a pain in the arse.

    If they become the neutral state they promise to be then of course Russia can openly trade with them and they should be able to get indirect access to the Black Sea, but as we saw with the Transnitria situation... they were total censored every chance they got.... and the same with tank and ship and aircraft engines etc etc.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:26 pm

    I wonder if these are the mine sweepers the British wanted to donate to Kievs forces?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:40 pm

    Hahahaha... just noticed two articles on RT... the first says Zelensky has invited Trump to Kiev.. https://www.rt.com/news/590984-trump-zelensky-ukraine-us/ and the second soon after says Boris Johnson has decided to endorse Trumps candidacy for the election... https://www.rt.com/news/590987-ex-uk-mp-johnson-endorses-trump-ukraine/

    So are they both admitting Biden is a dead cash cow and they are moving to other options, or is Boris trying some reverse psychology to get Americans to not vote for someone such an arse would endorse?

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:I wonder if these are the mine sweepers the British wanted to donate to Kievs forces?
    Definitely not Garry. We gave old minesweepers to Kiev.

    Note the fiberglass/composite hull.

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    Re your Boris comment, I doubt many in the US knows who he is, but he is at least American, perhaps he want to be Trump's VP  Very Happy .


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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:50 pm

    Most minesweepers have non steel hulls... many sea mines are magnetic...

    ....Hahahaha... so these are new expensive boats... funnier... no one hurt by the look of it, but expensive.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:32 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Note the fiberglass/composite hull.

    Wonder if those are even repairable scratch
    Russkie Alexandrit class 12700 are using monoblock hull that is made in one process only. There are serious doubts if it can be repaired if broken, without lowering the structural strength of the hull.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jan 20, 2024 3:36 pm

    One response (response of Russia and Ukraine) to jamming is to make drones more autonomous so they can navigate and carry out attacks without continuous control. The operator just indicates a target and the drone does the rest.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2413260-what-does-ukraines-million-drone-army-mean-for-the-future-of-war/
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    Post  Kiko Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:17 pm

    A democracy cannot prohibit its civilian citizens from traveling to another country to participate in combat wearing the uniform of that country, Sébastien Lecornu argued
    In a democratic country where there is freedom of press such as Russia can't avoid its military combating in a war but to annihilate aggressive NATO forces supporting a Nazi regime.

    This faggot won't miss not even one opportunity to strike and offend Russia.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:02 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Note the fiberglass/composite hull.

    Wonder if those are even repairable scratch
    Russkie Alexandrit class 12700 are using monoblock hull that is made in one process only. There are serious doubts if it can be repaired if broken, without lowering the structural strength of the hull.

    Its GRP so perhaps patch it to get it home then check. Then then other ship plowed into it it had a good 'quash' against the dock that may have done pore damage But presumably it was protected against shock, albeit not that type.

    The other was claimed to be stuck in reverse, whatever, it could be desk jobs from now on for some.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Anyone here surprised?  Laughing

    Slovakia was left without air defense, combat aircraft and the promised money for the MiG-29 after the transfer of weapons to Ukraine by the previous authorities, - the new Minister of Defense
    - RVvoenko


    Ukrainian army fears Russian forces build-up in northern Ukraine

    The Russian Armed Forces are keeping a group of 20,000 troops near Ukraine's northern border, who are being equipped with the latest or modernised weapons. And Belarus - another 1,800 troops, in addition to border guards," said Sergei Nayev, commander of the United Forces of the AFU.

    According to Nayev, these forces are constantly conducting reconnaissance, actively building engineering and fortification structures, and shelling border areas.

    @ukraine_watch




    Same like Poland much earlier, both Czechia and Slovakia have practically entered into a tributary relationship with Ukraine.

    They were not told about it at the beginning, because why not make fools of them? It is not like NATO cares.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 20, 2024 9:31 pm

    Reality is going to involve a lot of changed positions and may well hurt.

    van Katchanovski
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    Prime Minister of Slovakia is first EU country leader to admit publicly that West blocked peace deal to end Ukraine war in spring 2022 & used Ukraine for proxy war with Russia to last Ukrainian even though this was failed strategy:

    "It is proven that right at the beginning of the war in Ukraine in 2022, on at least two very promising occasions, the West did not allow the Ukrainians to conclude a ceasefire with fair conditions. Because a painfully wrong decision has already been made.

    The West will take advantage of Russia's violation of international law, supplying Ukraine with heaps of weapons, billions of dollars, burdening Russia with massive sanctions, attacking Russia's main mineral wealth revenues, and expecting a Ukrainian soldier, until the last one, to bring him the head of a Russian bear on a platter in the form of a militarily exhausted, economically ruined, internationally isolated and internally subverted Russia.

    This was, and unfortunately still is, a Western strategy that I say openly at home and abroad is not working, that it has failed."

    https://nazory.pravda.sk/analyzy-a-post

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    Post  pavi Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Reality is going to involve a lot of changed positions and may well hurt.


    https://nazory.pravda.sk/analyzy-a-post

    Could you please provide fresher link to the original article...?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:42 am

    If you search the title you find this link:

    https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1748021298670751749

    Which has the address of the original article that is not cut off which is:

    https://nazory.pravda.sk/analyzy-a-postrehy/clanok/695354-robert-fico-strategia-zapadu-na-ukrajine-jednoducho-nefunguje/

    Which is in Slovak, which translates to:

    Robert Fico: the strategy of the West in Ukraine simply does not work
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    The convulsions that accompany liberal demagoguery today in defending the West's utterly failed strategy against Russia in Ukraine are beginning to wrinkle my brow.
    Robert Fico, Prime Minister of Slovakia
    09.01.2024 16:00

    The protagonists of this demagoguery feed the public with such monstrosities that it is not enough to respond to them with a wave of the hand. I understand the nervousness in the camp of Slovak progressives and liberals. Everyone is impatiently waiting for the replacement of a failed young product and the emergence of a new neoliberal star, Zuzana Čaputová, who, at the forced end of her term, no longer even tries to create the impression of being Supra-partisan and openly opposes the current government. But this does not entitle any of them to accuse government officials of such nonsense and the most serious crimes as, for example, that we want a Russian occupation or that Russia should be our neighbor.

    From the very beginning of the conflict in Ukraine, I rejected the black-and-white vision that Washington and Brussels wanted. The war in Ukraine has its roots back in 2014 and in the development of the Ukrainian political scene and its relationship to fellow citizens of Russian nationality. And, of course, in the total influence of the United States on everything that has happened and is happening in Ukraine since 2014. I may or may not overdo it, but let's imagine, for example, that the entire Defense Ministry of Mexico, as a neighboring state of the United States, would be under the complete control of Russia, not to mention political representatives, including the president.

    Russia responded to the security situation and Ukraine's push to join NATO by violating international law, by military force without an international mandate. Big countries do that a lot, let'S see what the U.S. has done in Iraq. And the West, instead of immediately making every effort to achieve a quick ceasefire, at the beginning of 2022 even without losing a dozen for Ukraine, made a huge mistake. He misjudged the use of Russian military force as an opportunity to bring Russia to its knees. One look at history. Russia was invaded by Hitler in June 1941, but the Western allies opened a second front only in the summer of 1944, when the outcome of the war was clear in favor of the former USSR.

    It is proven that right at the beginning of the war in Ukraine in 2022, the West on at least two very promising occasions did not allow the Ukrainians to conclude a ceasefire with fair conditions. It was a painfully wrong decision. The West will take advantage of Russia's violation of international law, supply Ukraine with heaps of arms, billions of dollars, burden Russia with massive sanctions, attack Russia's main mineral wealth revenues, and expect the Ukrainian soldier, down to the last, to bring him the head of a Russian bear on a platter in the form of a militarily depleted, economically ruined, internationally isolated, and domestically subverted Russia. This was, and unfortunately still is, a Western strategy, which I openly say at home and abroad does not work, that it has failed. Nor do I agree with her. I am not one of the Slovak politicians who enjoys the fact that the Russian Federation is being made a mortal enemy in Slovakia, and I do not like to be called an enemy country in Russia for this reason.
    "It is shocking to see how the West has repeatedly erred in its assessment of the situation in Russia. The facts are inexorable. Russia controls the occupied territories militarily. Neither the Russian economy nor the Russian currency has collapsed, anti-Russian sanctions increase the internal self-sufficiency of this huge country, Russian energy giants report record supplies to China and India. "

    It is literally shocking to see how the West has repeatedly erred in its assessment of the situation in Russia. The facts are inexorable. Russia completely controls the occupied territories militarily, and attempts to convince the international community through demagoguery of the demoralization of Russian soldiers and the enormous human losses are increasingly proving to be nothing more than empty demagogic wishful thinking. Ukraine is not capable of any meaningful military counteroffensive, it has become completely dependent on financial assistance from the West with dire consequences for Ukrainians in the years to come. It is only a matter of time before official information on the ownership of land in Ukraine, the largest foreign owners, begins to be published. The position of the Ukrainian president is shaken, while the Russian President increases and strengthens his political support. Neither the Russian economy nor the Russian currency has collapsed, anti-Russian sanctions increase the internal self-sufficiency of this huge country, Russian energy giants report record supplies to China and India. In turn, people from the entourage of the Ukrainian president for the prestigious, I repeat prestigious foreign media say that Ukraine is stealing, as if he did not come tomorrow.

    Of course, I will not allow myself to say that Russia does not feel the negative consequences of its decision in February 2022 to use military force in Ukraine. But not even to the extent that it would ruin it, as Western planners had predicted.

    So what are the possibilities for further development? With a high probability for some time will roll into Ukraine weapons and money, but without result. To admit openly the incorrectness of the adopted strategy is politically impossible for its authors. In two or three years we will be where we are. Only in the EU, perhaps 50 billion euros lighter, and in Ukraine, thousands of dead soldiers will be fuller cemeteries. Unfortunately, common sense will not win, although it commands all of us to declare a ceasefire immediately and sit down at the negotiating table. It is clear that Russia's negotiating position will not deteriorate with a waste of human resources, money and time, but rather will strengthen as the international community, looking at reality, begins to organise a return in a few years ' time.

    I often ask myself what is defeat in realistic and fact-based considerations about the necessity of a ceasefire in Ukraine, when it is already completely, but that it is absolutely clear to everyone that the crisis in Ukraine does not have a military solution. If I want something, let the Slavs stop fighting each other for geopolitical reasons, both on the American and Russian sides. Let Ukraine go its sovereign, not dictated path. If he sees himself in the EU, let him get this chance, provided that he fulfills the conditions. We're happy to help. Russia also needs security guarantees. And I continue to believe that we should return to recent European rhetoric, such as the EU and Russia being, to some extent, connected vessels and how they need each other. As prime minister of the Slovak Republic, I will not spread hostility to any country in the world, and I also wish gradual standardization of relations between EU member states and Russia. And I will certainly not succumb to the stupid liberal and progressivist demagoguery that offends elementary human judgment and which, in the end, will cause enormous damage.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:57 am

    So he realises it was wrong and has already failed and that the sooner it ends the better, but I don't agree there will be kissing and making up at the end of this... the west thought they could break Russia because they thought Russia depended on Europe and the west to grow and develop, but if anything this BS has proven to Russia that it is actually better off without the west because the west is a leech that sucks money out of Russia, it has little blood of its own left and need to feed on growing economies to be comfortable.

    The west uses smoke and mirrors to inflate the effects of their economies because they really don't make much any more and what they did make was competitive because of cheap energy and raw materials they bought cheap or stole from the third world.

    Paying fair prices for their raw materials breaks their business models and ruins their competitiveness.

    Russia can pay fair value for what they buy and create what they need for themselves and sell that for a fair price. That is what BRICS will be all about.

    Europe is realising its policy is a failure, but it is not realising that policy is making Russia realise it doesn't need the west and would actually be better off without them moving forward because even if there is a ceasefire right now and all the sanctions are dropped and Russia is allowed back into SWIFT etc etc and all the pipes are repaired and restored back to full capacity the west is going to be the west and will continue to lecture and dictate to Russia no matter what they do, and how long before new sanctions are put in place for some new Russian transgression of western rules made up in Washington?

    The west has given Russia a gift and Russia paid for this in lives of its young men and women... Russia would be foolish to forget this lesson.

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