Until the VK-650 turboprop engine is available, or they get the APD-500 engine of the Aurus certified for aircraft use, this project is going nowhere.
But the Yak-52 aircraft it is replacing is in service and is Russian, so it would be nice to have the Yak-152 enter service right now but not actually essential.
My understanding was that the VK-800 engine was being developed for the job of replacing the German engine.
Neither would they need to train for thrust vectoring -
I would think preparing for thrust vectoring flight controls in a LIFT is better than coming across it in operational trainers in service... even if it is just a taste.
Besides it's going to make the trainer way too expensive and add unnecessary weight.
The new engines for the Yak-130 are 20% more powerful and all Russian made... do you think articulated engine nozzles are too heavy?
I would think they would last longer and need rather less maintenance on a LIFT with no AB capacity.
The F-22 has 2D TV as well as the J-20 (later variants should have 3D) and let's not forget about the F-35B.
And the only ones that really matter are the Harriers... everyone wants to forget the F-35B.
The difference is that the MiG-35 and Su-35 and Su-30s upgraded with Su-35 equipment, as well as the new 5th gen stealth fighter Su-57 will all have thrust vectoring engines... so it is not an exception... most fighters they fly with will have it... the only aircraft likely to not having it is the MiG-31 heavy interceptors.
That means most fighters will have thrust vectoring capacity and fighter training without thrust vectoring is not going to be the same... you would basically need to relearn how to dogfight when getting into an aircraft with thrust vectoriing engines.
Only ONE Mig was ever fitted with TV - the Mig-29OVT, which incidentally is also one of my favorite Migs. It was rebuild from the Mig-29M prototype (Blue 156).
The MiG-35 is supposed to get it as standard... and it has real 3D TVC unlike the Sukhoi models with 2.5D.
So do you believe these Western "experts"?
Why would I start now?
The MiG prototypes were clearly described as the flying model and the static stealth model by MiG.
Nothing in this business is ever a smooth ride but for the most part - YES!
They are different aircraft, and just because they made it appear easy does not mean it was. The new materials and level of build precision likely went up multiple times to achieve what they achieved, which is why "western" experts claimed they couldn't make a stealth fighter and that the Su-57 wasn't stealthy at all...
So it seems that this only applies to the Mig-1.41 but not the S-37!
The problem with the S-37 is not the canards, it is the forward sweep of the wing... like a radar dish it captures and directs forward radar waves... the exact opposite of what a stealth aircraft would want.
an experimental aircraft known for testing all sorts of new materials to be used in future Sukhoi aircraft?
And never claimed by Sukhoi to actually be stealthy.
To be honest, in this instance they made the correct decision to pick the Su-27 family of fighters instead of Mig-29's. The Su-27 was far more advanced with it's FBW controls and the aircraft offered much greater operational flexibility.
I disagree, the Su-27 is great in the far east and the far north where distances are bigger, but in European Russia the MiG would have been a better aircraft and cheaper to operate once it got SMT upgrades that dramatically reduced operational costs.
Instead they went for an all Flanker fleet and how many can they afford?
How can it be better as "an advanced trainer" if it had very basic aerodynamic properties and manual controls vs the Yak's FBW and it's far superior aerodynamics?
The MiG-AT was FBW and could simulate the aerodynamics of 4th and 5th gen fighters.
But all that fancy advanced air to air combat shit they can learn on operational trainers... there is no point training to kill enemy aircraft in a Yak-130 and then getting in to an Su-35 and all the fighting techniques you learned don't work or don't work well when the enemy is also in a TVC fighter.
The decision, as I remember it was that they chose the Yak-130 with its Ukrainian engine over the MiG-AT and its French engine, because the payload of the Yak of 3 tons would make it a more useful armed light combat aircraft if they needed one than the 2 ton payload of the MiG-AT trainer.
Personally I would have said the most suitable and affordable (at the time) jet trainer would make more sense.
The french engine it used was the same as that fitted to the Alpha jet.
There were a couple of Russian engines in development that could have replaced the French engine if needed... and it is not like the Yak-130 didn't need the same...
29 June 2018, 21:55,
updated 30 June 2018, 06:31
Production of the MiG-AT aircraft can be resumed in Russia
The Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of using this aircraft for basic training
MOSCOW, June 29. /tass/. The MiG-AT training aircraft, created in the early 1990s, may begin to be delivered again to the Russian Defense Ministry. This was announced on Friday by the General designer - Vice President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Sergey Korotkov.
"The Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of using this aircraft as a base for basic training. There are no old planes, there are resource indicators of the aircraft," he said.
In turn, the head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security Viktor Bondarev clarified in an interview with TASS that the proposed date for the resumption of production of this aircraft is 2023. "We are talking about the fact that this aircraft can begin to enter the aviation units in 2023," the senator explained, noting that the existing backlog for the MiG-AT program could accelerate its resumption.
The MiG-AT is a basic training aircraft of unified training. It can be used for the combat use of unguided weapons against land and sea targets. The MiG-AT lost to the Yak-130 in the tender for the selection of the main combat training aircraft of the Russian Air Force, after which work on it was curtailed in 2010.
Left the date on.
"The conceptual designs of the Sukhoi and Mikoyan design bureaux do not meet the specifications requirements", suggesting that "the development and mock-up manufacture of the UTK-Yak (Yak-130) and Myasishev UTK-2000 be continued". However, Mikoyan cried like a baby and insisted they should be allowed to carry on with their bidding, with the result that the VVS awarded contracts for both the Yak and the Mig. Talk about bad politics!
That was in 1990 when the process was started...
In July 1992, the Air Force's scientific and technical committee summed up the outcome of the trainer conceptual design competition and took a decision worthy of Solomon: "The trainer's initial designing shall be conducted on the competitive basis by the Yakovlev design bureau in cooperation with the Myasishchev experimental plant and Mikoyan design bureau." However, the Air Force awarded only two contracts in late 1992 - one with Yakovlev and the other with Mikoyan. They were to submit their initial designs in the fourth quarter of 1993.
The MiG-AT didn't fly first till early 1996, and the Yak-130 slightly later that same year.
They were proposals that were evaluated and evaluated badly by the VVS, which is why they decided to look at the MiG-AT design again in 2018 because the Yak-130 is too expensive to completely replace the L39s and so they need something simpler and cheaper to replace the L39...
The Yak-130 unit price is given at around $15 million on the open market. The very basic Mig-29 was around $20 million per unit at the time. The SMT is far more advanced and the cost of a current generation Mig-29 is close to $30 million.
For Russia 40 million for the MiG-35 and 30 million for the MiG-29M which would be vastly better than any model Yak-130 in the light fighter role.
These planes were never advertised as light fighters. Outside the training role they can take COIN tasks meaning very light strike/recon/air support.
The sales pitch includes this normally:
Just like the modern fridge has a web browser, doesn't mean anyone is buying them for web browsing.
When part of the sales pitch suggests if you buy this fridge you wont need a desktop computer any more then yes it is a factor.
Since 2005 I've claimed publicly that MiG-31 is able to mission kill F-22 without any issues and I still stand by that.
Even if it couldn't shoot down stealth aircraft, it can reduce inflight refuelling aircraft to ash, seriously limiting the flight range of all HATO aircraft... and by hitting AWACS platforms too you make them blind as well.
We won't find out anytime soon. The MiG-41 may appear in two decades.
They are talking about initial service entry 2029-2030, so no probably not.
The orcs will be getting desperate and the talk of letting Ukraine join HATO are hilarious... it would have to be unanimous and Hungary and Turkey will say no even if the rest say yes because the US tells them to say yes.
The much funnier thing is that the US and EU are going to start telling Zelensky to negotiate and Putin is going to demand terms Zelensky never thought of... Z wants everything back without realising he is about to lose everything.
It is not a stalemate, it continues to be a meat grinder with Kiev eagerly sending its troops to be killed... when they stop then the meat grinder will move forward to find more meat to grind up and the "stalemate" will turn into a route.