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    Post  Arrow Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:49 am

    Patriots in Kiev were not destroyed?
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:21 am

    I have some conclusions about potential mercenary pilots flying the F-16s.
    Well ... it won't work in a wider range.
    Military pilots are an elite of armed forces in every country. Not only receiving a wide respect, but what is most important, a very decent money.
    The salaries they get are much higher than horizontal jobs in the army, because pilots are very mobile.
    You can get a job in the civilian sector easily, where a $25k a month is nothing unusual.
    That is why we can easily exclude the most common financial aspect of mercenary pilots.
    What do we have left? Well ... emotional reasons.
    How many people among a population of well fed and living you can find, that will be ready to risk their lives?
    Not many ...

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:37 am

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    In chats and many channels, photos of the enemy about our losses are going viral (well, for them it’s understandable, the shame of Rabotino will forever remain in the memory and it needs to be replaced somehow). But why do our people rush around with them?

    Let's take a look:

    🟥1. Not Avdeevka (Bombing of the DRG bridge)
    🟦2. BTR-50 (destroyed) T-64BV ( knocked out, not destroyed )
    10/10/2023
    🟦3. Two Urals 4320 were destroyed, the D-30 was damaged rather than destroyed .
    10/10/2023
    🟪6.7. One MT-LB (destroyed), the rest intact 10/10/2023
    🟥4. Not from near Avdeevka
    🟨5. Two T-72s (shot down, abandoned). The remaining skeletons are Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment standing since May (BMP-1 and T-72AV)
    🟦6. T-72B (knocked out), withstood a drop from a copter, two FPVs and a collision with a mine, no BC is on fire. 10/13/2023
    🟦7. The UAZ-452 (damaged) did not even light up after the copter was reset, it stood empty under the mask net. 10/13/2023
    ⬜8.9. MT-LB (abandoned, damaged) . Two military-industrial complex Ural (destroyed). T-64BV (destroyed). 10/12/2023
    🟥10. Not from near Avdeevka
    🟩11. T-72B (abandoned) 10/10/2023
    🟩11. BTR-80 (abandoned) , two BMP-1 (abandoned)
    🟩11. T-72B (abandoned)

    Nobody says there are no losses. But they clearly do not correspond to cheap stuffing. When they record anything into destroyed equipment for propaganda purposes. There is no particular point in considering each such work, so once will be enough to understand.

    Many thanks to the channel “ Destroyed equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ” for their help in this matter.

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:54 am

    ALAMO wrote:
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    Yes, US has thousands. Possibly less than you think they do.  

    A while ago a number of operational Tomahawks was revealed.
    The entire US stock was about 2000 pcs.
    It was quite a blow, as it is the only weapon system they can use in a theatre depth.
    And proved shockingly ineffective if confronted with reliable forces.
    Just for the records, the number of precision guided long range missiles Russkie have used in 404 is more than 3000 pcs, excluding Gerans.
    We are not talking about guided bombs and MLRS.

    If I'm not mistaken they stopped producing the Tomahawks in 2018 already? What a bummer if it's true... Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Regular Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:27 am

    mnztr wrote:

    i am hearing that its heavily fortified and that Russia is working on undermining the fortifications. Why would they not try FAB 9K or FOAB?

    Good question. They don’t want to risk their planes as it can’t be lobbed from far. UMPK Fab500/1500 and helicopters are being used instead.

    I wouldn’t believe that Russians digging under the city, they are advancing on the ground. Terrikon taken, established fire control should slowly cook Adveevka into Bakhmut.

    Best to manage expectations, but the ugly grind is benefiting Russia.

    Has Russia solidified her positions at the garbage dump in the northern wing ? It seems like the Maidan has been violently trying to contested it due to tactical importance of that highpoint
    Yea. Ukraine gave proof of this. But as of yesterday, they tried to counter attack with no luck, so they can contest the control somewhat. Don’t forget about southern advances, too many people looking at north, check caprice maps 😂
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:19 am

    RT Breaking News
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    ❗WP: The Ukrainian Security Agency organized the murder of Russian journalist Daria Dugina

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:22 am

    The operation was carried out with explosives transported to Russia hidden in a box for transporting cats that a woman and her daughter were carrying in a car, according to details that had not been previously revealed.
    The target of the attack, however, was his father, the philosopher Alexander Dugin, considered by Ukraine to be an influential figure in the Kremlin's ideology.
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    Post  TMA1 Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:34 am

    He isnt even that influential it is bizarre. Would be like saying JBP is highly influential amongst conservative politicians. It is just goofy.

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    Post  Ispan Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:57 am

    I compiled some reports on the fighting around the crossings of the Dnieper river

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/10/23/sobre-el-cruce-del-dnieper-en-el-sector-de-kherson/

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:23 pm

    The rains cometh

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:45 pm

    He isnt even that influential it is bizarre.
    Well, when you are living in your own little dream world/echo chamber and you believe your own lies then Dugin is Putins No. 1 influencer.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:55 pm

    A funny thought.
    I had no bloody idea who even the guy was until one of my friends in discussion used his name to describe all the evil of Putin's regime.
    The guy is a diplomat, a part of the staff of the embassy in Georgia. Carefully selected, if you know what I mean Twisted Evil
    They really believe the shit of their own breed. If you have no enemy, make one.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:36 pm

    Destruction of enemy forces

    Today, around 10 o'clock in the morning, in the vicinity of the New York (Donbass) settlement, Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), our aviation, consisting of 6 aircraft, conducted an operation.

    In this location, there was an underground fortification, where up to 150 enemy personnel were present at the same time. This shelter served as a gathering place for the Ukrainian Armed Forces before rotation.

    The Aerospace Forces consistently deal blows to the enemy's reserves. The reconnaissance has performed more than excellently.

    Source: Military Intelligence TG Channel



    I read that the Ukies were constructing dedicated F-16 service hangers in Krupyvnytski area where there are 7 airstrips within a radius of 15km. Russian attacks overnight destroyed all of them with possible NATO specialists as collateral damage.

    Also that reporting of their air defense engagements have changed, probably because they failed. Previously they used to say 10 out of 15 drones and 2 out of 5 Kh59 missiles were intercepted but now only gives the number they shot down and the total is not given.

    There are reports that Zelensky has donated some of Ukraine's AD to Israel. Protecting his future?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:42 pm

    Dugin is a spectre created by the west, really. In Russia he's always been a fringe character, and he's never enjoyed Putin's ear or anything of the sort. FFS, Moscow State University fired him for inflammatory remarks about the brotherly Ukrainians. I mean, seriously, that's how he was treated.

    All the western media shills that have for at least a decade hyped him up as some kind of influential evil mastermind based on absolutely nothing share responsibility for the Ukrainian murder of his daughter.

    Granted, the attempt on his life that wound up killing his daughter did have a Streisand effect of sorts, as I noted last year. People like Tucker Carlson brought him up on national telly and noted that some of his works were banned in the U.S, a fact which of course elicits interest. Banning books is never a good look, and Carlson milked it. Nobody would have given a damn had they not conducted the terror attack though.

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:24 pm

    Russian forces in the special operation zone are supplied with up to 15 thousand tons of ammunition and fuel per day. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced this on October 23.

    On this day, Chairman of the Federation Council of the country Valentina Matvienko and the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security took part in a visiting meeting at the Russian Defense Ministry at the invitation of the head of the department. Shoigu drew attention to the scale of the tasks being solved by the Russian Army during the special operation.

    “To understand the scale, we supply 1.5 thousand tons of water to the armed forces every day - this is only drinking water. We wash approximately 350 tons of laundry per day. That is, you need to understand that this is not all happening in one place,” said the head of the Ministry of Defense.

    Shoigu also noted that the front line is 1 thousand km; every day, up to 10-15 thousand ammunition and fuel are supplied to Russian troops in the special operation zone, as well as everything related to the repair and maintenance of equipment.

    During the retreat, Shoigu also emphasized the importance of the tasks being solved by industry.

    “We can give many examples, very striking examples, when young people who have nothing to do with the defense industry raised and promoted production within a month,” the minister added.

    Earlier, on October 17, Shoigu said that in the conditions of a special operation, the prompt production of artillery systems and ammunition for them is important . He noted that, based on this, the federal executive authorities of Russia have taken appropriate measures.

    Back in July, the head of the Russian Defense Ministry said that enterprises of the country’s military-industrial complex had increased the production of particularly popular weapons for combat missions .

    https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1593951/2023-10-23/shoigu-zaiavil-o-postavkakh-v-zonu-svo-do-15-tys-t-boepripasov-i-topliva-v-den?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    NOTE: Last week a video was posted of a convoy of around 75 vehicles transporting supplies. Each of those 6x6 wheeled logistic vehicles can carry 6 t and another 4 t on those 4 wheeled trailers just for some point of comparison.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:32 pm

    Arrow wrote:Patriots in Kiev were not destroyed?

    Says who? Fucktards on twitter, western controlled media, or pathetic trolls like you?

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    Post  Arrow Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:37 pm

    I claimed the Patriots were destroyed.  You misunderstood me.There are probably no patriots left in Kiev

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    Post  mnztr Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
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    i am hearing that its heavily fortified and that Russia is working on undermining the fortifications. Why would they not try FAB 9K or FOAB?

    Good question. They don’t want to risk their planes as it can’t be lobbed from far. UMPK Fab500/1500 and helicopters are being used instead.

    I wouldn’t believe that Russians digging under the city, they are advancing on the ground. Terrikon taken, established fire control should slowly cook Adveevka into Bakhmut.

    Best to manage expectations, but the ugly grind is benefiting Russia.

    Has Russia solidified her positions at the garbage dump in the northern wing ? It seems like the Maidan has been violently trying to contested it due to tactical importance of that highpoint
    Yea. Ukraine gave proof of this. But as of yesterday, they tried to counter attack with no luck, so they can contest the control somewhat. Don’t forget about southern advances, too many people looking at north, check caprice maps 😂

    Apprently there is a fortress there of some sort. They can drop the fab 9K from a TU-22 from 15Km unless they have a Buk it should be safe
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:40 pm

    Kiev is in a panic! Analysts have calculated and found out that Washington's military assistance to Ukraine has decreased by 93.5% compared to what it was in the first half of 2023. 😨

    For the entire period of SMO, Ukraine received the least money in October of this year, and the trend is getting worse.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:47 pm

    mnztr wrote:

    Apprently there is a fortress there of some sort. They can drop the fab 9K from a TU-22 from 15Km unless they have a Buk it should be safe

    No Tu22 is going to fly near enough to drop such bombs ,

    Su34 is launching FAB from 60km+ of the zone of hostility

    Russia tactics are moving from Terrikon to the northern village of Stepove and get some fire control over the north of the coke plant

    Once they can suppress those units most north of the AKHZ, they can start storming directly the outskirts of the coke plant

    Then they can cutoff the MSR supply route to the coke plant, just like Bakhmut simply by artillery fire and drones

    The VSU other supply route other than the MSR is the smaller roads to the south of the MSR, near Severnoe

    That area too has to be placed under fire control, but this operation will take a long time just like any other urban battle we have seen

    That's the price to pay for allowing NATO ISR to be a force multiplier for Ukraine

    They can match Russia pound for pound, simply by being aware of where Russia is moving and concentrating

    So the only option is to beat them tactically, even under the plain sight of NATO ISR

    You have to use equal numbers of men, firepower, armor, and general resources because as soon as they see you accumulating anything, they will reinforce that sector and nullify anything you do

    So you need to just beat them with equal forces and be more tactically savvy then them

    And once Donbass is liberated, then the pace of operations will change, until then, it will remain a grinding war mainly within Donbass


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:51 pm

    We gotta talk about the FOAB, guys. It exists, or at least it did, but:

    1. There is to my knowledge only one single reel of footage of it, and that was more than a decade ago.

    2. The footage clearly shows an incredibly powerful thermobaric charge, and its aftermath, no questions there.

    3. ...But the footage is dodgy for other reasons: the hideously unaerodynamic contraption shown clearly rolls out of the cargo compartment of an airlifter á la Antonov or Ilyushin (pretty much like the U.S. MOAB, rolls out of a C-130), but the footage inexplicably cuts to a Tu-160, as if to suggest that it was adapted to the bomb bay there. No, nothing actually supports that.

    Tu-160's have been exclusively fitted with revolving ALCM compartments for ages, like the Tu-95s. These planes haven't dropped a bomb for 20+ years. The Tu-22M still has regular bomb bays that can take anything from FAB-100 to FAB-9000, but again, nothing has ever indicated that the "FOAB" contraption was ever properly weaponized to be compatible.

    I am open to surprises though. Hit me.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:02 pm

    Beyond the real impact that Duggin has in Russia, he was supporting the country against the Ucronazis.
    Besides, the death of his daughter (who also accompanied that fight) is unfortunate.


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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:17 pm

    They can match Russia pound for pound, simply by being aware of where Russia is moving and concentrating
    No, they can´t. They have to bring in troops from other areas or from their dwindling reserves.
    That means they can maybe slow down the russian offensive operation in one area for a few days,
    but for that they open up other areas for faster or new attacks. With more and more russian troops
    coming into the zone that is getting more and more obvious.

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    Post  Regular Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:31 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:No Tu22 is going to fly near enough to drop such bombs ,

    Su34 is launching FAB from 60km+ of the zone of hostility

    Russia tactics are moving from Terrikon to the northern village of Stepove and get some fire control over the north of the coke plant

    Once they can suppress those units most north of the AKHZ, they can start storming directly the outskirts of the coke plant

    Then they can cutoff the MSR supply route to the coke plant, just like Bakhmut simply by artillery fire and drones

    The VSU other supply route other than the MSR is the smaller roads to the south of the MSR, near Severnoe

    That area too has to be placed under fire control, but this operation will take a long time just like any other urban battle we have seen

    That's the price to pay for allowing NATO ISR to be a force multiplier for Ukraine

    They can match Russia pound for pound, simply by being aware of where Russia is moving and concentrating

    So the only option is to beat them tactically, even under the plain sight of NATO ISR

    You have to use equal numbers of men, firepower, armor, and general resources because as soon as they see you accumulating anything, they will reinforce that sector and nullify anything you do

    So you need to just beat them with equal forces and be more tactically savvy then them

    And once Donbass is liberated, then the pace of operations will change, until then, it will remain a grinding war mainly within Donbass

    Keep an eye on the south as well. 

    NATO ISR is the problem as I mentioned, not much can be done realistically speaking, best to learn how to work under it and this is not new. Ukrainians idiocity was best Russian ISR in their counter offense.

    And after Donbass, in my opinion Russia can put this into slow burner and let war production do its work. Anyway, in my opinion, Ukrainians will have an option to suicide against Russia or negotiate, because after this counter offence, they can’t expect much. Their whole shtick is now hoping on F-16…
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:51 pm

    Does anyone have information on the M1 Abrams?


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