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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:22 pm

    franco wrote:Currently, approximately 500 servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are captured by Ukrainian forces. This was stated by the head of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin on Soloviev Live.

    That's why prisoner exchange became senseless a long time ago.
    Ukrs were insisting for "everyone for everyone" format, when some time ago already one of their upper hands revealed that their reservoir of prisoners for exchange is "empty".

    Edit : this is something that blows up my mind ...

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/83950

    Just one more DRG simply killed and drowned into the sea, minus some sole souls lucky enough to get captive.

    There were 16 of them, dispatched from a small fishing boat and ordered to make a landing using .. jet skis Shocked
    The only purpose of that, was to put a flag on the shore and ... make a photos of how they are into Crimea Shocked Embarassed
    16 soldiers sent to die, for 10s TikTok.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:50 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:Britton has been successfully demilitarized


    Read the comments on this article... what a bunch of friggin idiots. Even after everything that has happened these butt sniffing clowns are still repeating the same old tired and stupid propaganda tropes Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:54 pm

    Erk wrote:
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    Western standards - almost all of them died in battle.
    Main reason why they died.

    How do you deal with a minefield?
    ...

    Hovercraft?

    Hovercraft and armour are mutually exclusive.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:15 pm

    They need to create new weapons and equipment for modern trench warfare in order to protect soldiers' lives. In the past, troops used gas masks, hand grenades, submachine guns, and flamethrowers for trench warfare.

    Their modern soldiers are vastly better equipped for fighting in trenches than they were in WWII. Gas masks are cumbersome and make seeing the enemy harder and for what advantage? They have a wide range of hand grenades available to them and Assault rifles and LMGs are rather more powerful than their SMG of WWII. The AK-12 is lighter and rather more powerful than the PPSh-41. Flamethrowers were heavy and cumbersome and you got a few seconds of flame before it had to be refilled again.

    However, the problem is that there is no standardized weapon system for modern trench warfare, despite the many options available. Since we now know that trench warfare is likely to continue for many centuries, it would be a better idea to develop new weapons and equipment specifically designed for this type of warfare.

    I guess if they were smart like you and realised trench warfare was a thing they might start developing tools and equipment to help them... except they sort of are really because we have seen drones and even their tanks and BMPs and their Terminators engaging enemy troops in trenches... we have even seen them using anti mine vehicles that launch line charges to clear paths through minefields to deal with trenches... almost like they might even be working on the problem.

    But obviously there is going to be a single technology that will crack the trench wide open and render trench warfare obsolete so the enemy will always choose to fight out in the open... man against man... like men.

    How do you deal with a minefield?

    Traditionally with mine clearance vehicles and equipment.... and then very slowly and painfully for the next 10 to 20 years after the conflict is resolved.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:26 pm

    kvs wrote:The bunker shown above was hidden under a residential area.   The usual Ukr "freedom fighter" tactic of using civilians as shields.  

    Will we hear wailing about ebil Rosshians bombing villagers from the NATzO MSM.

    Do we have any idea how old it was?
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:28 pm

    Looks like you didn't get a joke Laughing
    I was telling the story a while ago.
    Ukrainian soldier on training in Germany was yapping about how the NATO training did not match the war realities.
    He asked the instructor what are NATO procedures for crossing the minefields.
    He gets an answer to bypass it.
    The biggest minefield NATO/western troops ever faced in the last 30+ years, was some in Iraq that was cited to be a whole 2 km wide.
    In Ukraine, minefields can be 100 km wide, with constant changes and new mines applied by remote mining systems.
    German training officer had nothing to say about that, he just shut up.
    It was just amazing to watch ...

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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:33 pm

    It's not a reading of Tea- leaves , by mystic Meg ( septic peg )  ! The writing is on the wall . The Orcs are being abandoned . Nobody is betting any more money on this lame Horse . Suddenly , no more money and no more Arms for the Orcs ! Shockingly , pro-Russian politician elected in Europe . And now Russia confidently destroy Orc HQ ! So the ability to find and destroy bunkers , was always there . No excuses now . Civilians can be given warning , as I said before . Flares landing in hot zone , prior to strike , should clear civilians and Orcs from site . Then the heavies will arrive . Moral duty and obligation for humanity completed .




    LOL . Now Mrs . Jellyinsky will have to find short blonde English man ( ask septic peg ) as alternative to Mr . Jellyinsky ! No tall handsome Asiatic types for her !

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:42 pm

    Those sick bastards have published own film covering the latest Crimea "landing" Shocked Embarassed Shocked

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/83960

    They have seriously presented pics of people already dead, killed by attempt, to prove a peremoga.

    We are talking about a clinical condition here. Seriously clinical condition Shocked

    And of course those sick motherfukers put a statement about "either Crimea will be Ukrainian or desolate" at the end.
    We talk about some fukin cancer ...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:14 pm

    Meanwhile 500 + days and Russia without Wagner is incapable to take Avdeyevka, Kupyansk, and gets pushed from Verbove and Rabotino

    But they say "300,000" are waiting somewhere

    allow me to say the truth, 50,000 KIA, and 200,000+ wounded, and you have the reality, volunteers are enough to replace the frontline troops, and to create a rotational reserve

    For Russia, cargo 200 or 300 is irrelevant, they are combat ineffective anyway and removed from the frontline

    And yes 200,000 wounded , maimed by mines, drones, shrapnel, splinter, and other wounds, they are recognizable as they are relatively young and in crutches or wheelchairs, or in blue MOD suits

    It is a defeat of a scale of Tsushima, Russia has to wait for American political events to happen to have any hope of an agreement in Ukraine - and call it attrition war

    The west smashed Russia in Ukraine, Russia can keep destroyed donbass, Lughansk, and evacuated Crimea (the BSF has largely been moved to Novorossiysk)

    And the west will simply redirect its efforts to Armenia and Kazakhstan when the time is right

    The clock is ticking for Russia, but they bank on some kind of economic downturn, or perhaps a political scandal to save them -

    The worse part is, if by dumb luck they are saved by such events - they will manage not to be routed, but they will still be defeated

    The goals of the SMO were to remove NATO to 1997 positions, and to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine

    Fast forward, and Finland is preparing military installations near Lagoda and Karelia

    Crimea is not even a saving grace, as losing Moskva, a submarine, and multiple landing ships make it impossible to use for any purpose other than as a missile sponge

    Another symbolic waste by incompetents in Moscow, maybe Gergiev can play Prokofiev there for old times sake





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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:18 pm

    Quite pictures and bold, yet close to the truth ...

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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:18 pm

    Arch wrote:Meanwhile...

    How are things working out for you in Lithuania? Neutral

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    Post  Arsenic Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:48 pm

    The Ukrainians claim to have destroyed an s-400 system?
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    Post  Godric Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:04 pm

    Arsenic wrote:The Ukrainians claim to have destroyed an s-400 system?

    they also claim to have landed on the moon whilst Killing the fleet commander at Sevastopol at the same time

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:06 pm

    Mir wrote:

    How are things working out for you in Lithuania? Neutral

    No need, no mobilization will be done,

    Shoigu says he has volunteers,

    But reality is, after peacekeepers got killed in Nagorno-Karabakh,

    The Russian social media space is unanimously of the opinion that serving in the military is

    1) only good if you need the money, mostly its Bashkirs, Buryats, Chechens, Dagestanis, Tuvans, Kalmyks,

    Ethnic Russians are far and few rushing to the local recruiter and the reasons are ample :

    2) its a good way to get yourself killed or wounded with a nice medal/payout, but nothing will be done to keep you off limits to whoever is gunning for you

    Be it Azeris, Armenians, Ukrainians, Americans, Syrians, Africans, and even blacks from the south of Russia, but the list is extensive of who can kill a Russian serviceman without repercussion

    So it's better not to serve, unless you really need the money

    These clowns ain't drafting noone, it would make the March for justice look like child's play

    Theyl keep coping until they can sign a deal with the Americans, or theyl be in deepshit if Biden wins this round of internal American political drama

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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:23 pm

    Nobody in their right mind wants to get killed on a voluntary basis - unless you are an extremist - but sometimes when the chips are down you will have to stand up and fight for what is rightfully yours. Russians have made great sacrifices over the centuries - and they will do it again - and again.

    Whether Biden wins or not will have very little to do with the final outcome - which is not very far off into the future.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:44 pm

    Ark wrote:It is a defeat
    No it is not . Nor is it a complete victory . Most here think that Russia can fight for longer and that maximum effort has not been made . I tend to think that Russia is nearing maximum effort and then not much point in dragging this along , for that much longer . Russia said " SMO , over in 2025. " I think , given some facts on the ground , that this is a little bit on the long side . But good enough ! If what you say is true about Russian casualties  , then sad as it is  , it shows strong determination also . I already talked about the " writing on the wall , " for Orcs . They are being slowly abandoned . It is however for Russia to decide to strike and advance , not be concerned with " world" opinion , or the possible retaliation or even direct confrontation . At some stage , this may be unavoidable , and necessary , to end the war . There are some things that remain a mystery to me and others , about the conduct of the war , that I do not understand . Maybe one day , it will become clear . russia


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    Post  par far Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:29 pm

    Apparently Zelensky's wife went on a shopping spree in the States and spent $1.2 Million (US dollars) buying expensive stuff, hopefully people in the west see this.

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:40 pm

    par far wrote:Apparently Zelensky's wife went on a shopping spree in the States and spent $1.2 Million (US dollars) buying expensive stuff, hopefully people in the west see this.

    Leave the poor girl alone Sad Her husband would be pimping her to whomever wanted her pale Why just what Hilary and Bill made the poor girl do affraid would be worth that amount Twisted Evil

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:22 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Mir wrote:

    How are things working out for you in Lithuania? Neutral

    No need, no mobilization will be done,

    Shoigu says he has volunteers,

    But reality is, after peacekeepers got killed in Nagorno-Karabakh,

    The Russian social media space is unanimously of the opinion that serving in the military is

    1) only good if you need the money, mostly its Bashkirs, Buryats, Chechens, Dagestanis, Tuvans, Kalmyks,

    Ethnic Russians are far and few rushing to the local recruiter and the reasons are ample :

    2) its a good way to get yourself killed or wounded with a nice medal/payout, but nothing will be done to keep you off limits to whoever is gunning for you

    Be it Azeris, Armenians, Ukrainians, Americans, Syrians, Africans, and even blacks from the south of Russia,  but the list is extensive of who can kill a Russian serviceman without repercussion

    So it's better not to serve, unless you really need the money

    These clowns ain't drafting noone, it would make the March for justice look like child's play

    Theyl keep coping until they can sign a deal with the Americans, or theyl be in deepshit if Biden wins this round of internal American political drama

    You sound like you are trying to justify yourself. Need to talk about it?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:28 pm

    Mir wrote:Nobody in their right mind wants to get killed on a voluntary basis - unless you are an extremist - but sometimes when the chips are down you will have to stand up and fight for what is rightfully yours. Russians have made great sacrifices over the centuries - and they will do it again - and again.

    Fighting for what? Some unknown village? For NATO to be on the Karelian border? To be humiliated before the world?

    Noone expected this to be such a disaster, but if you want to talk about doubling down on incompetence, Moscow is the shining example

    unfortunately we must deal with this leadership for the foreseeable future,

    we are not even respected by monkey Azeris lol, we are the last on the food chain, a walking placard for global loserdom, we replaced cuba, Arabs, Africans, and north Koreans with stunning results


    Whether Biden wins or not will have very little to do with the final outcome - which is not very far off into the future.  

    The final outcome of permanent war inside of Russia is already achieved

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:10 am

    NATzO clown deciders just need to wish harder to make their desires come true.

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    Post  franco Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:22 am

    Not sure where the data is taken from but an interesting video graph. January 12, 2022 to September 15, 2023.

    Video infographic demonstrating the balance of power between the RF Armed Forces and the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    From the data presented it is clear that Ukraine began active preparations for the conflict two months before it began

    https://twitter.com/Ramy_Sawma/status/1709649688079589495

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 05, 2023 3:00 am

    Use of only recruited force numbers is highly misleading. As of the winter of 2022/23 Russia had an advantage in the actual number of
    forces on the ground. Out of that nearly a million Ukr force number about half are lost and a big fraction of the rest is not at the front
    since they have to be rotated.

    Also, the accumulation of the ideal troop numbers is way too smooth. Ukria is on its 3rd army and the mobilized 300,000 from Russia were
    not sent to the front in daily increments. They were trained first. Russia took longer to train then better. So there should be surges
    of deployment.

    This graphic is really for entertainment purposes.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:56 am

    franco wrote:Not sure where the data is taken from but an interesting video graph. January 12, 2022 to September 15, 2023.

    Video infographic demonstrating the balance of power between the RF Armed Forces and the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    From the data presented it is clear that Ukraine began active preparations for the conflict two months before it began

    https://twitter.com/Ramy_Sawma/status/1709649688079589495

    Ukraine has more men the Russia?

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