Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash

par far wrote:
Prigozhin played a big role in building up Wagner, did he run Wagner? From the information we have, he played a large role in running Wagner.

Did he have a criminal record?

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:It's quite surprising that after one and half year they never tried to go after Zelensky and its top command staff but they kill Prigo.

Some talk about the coup but there was neher a coup since he never planned to remove Putin, his problem was the MoD which frankly had so-so results so far, Wagner did the hardest part in Ukraine.

Meanwhile there is a war with Ukraine and the most obvious move, killing enemy leaders, was never made.

Its killing was just to show others how they will end if they try something. Prigo didn't deserve such end. Letting him run Wagner in Africa was OK.

Zelensky feeds his troops into the woodchipper, he is useful



What Prigozin planned, thought or wanted is irrelevant, he and his organization committed treason and attempted a coup

They never should have been allowed to live past the day of the coup, Prigozin first and foremost



Primary features of any mercenary outfit are discretion, deniability and disposability

Prigozin and Wagner refused to perform according to requirements and have thus outlived their usefulness



Prigozin should have stepped down the moment he was ousted by media as the owner of a mercenary company, instead he generated bigger social media footprint than Kim Kardashian at her heyday

And that was long before he started disobeying orders and working for the enemy

Begome wrote:
Unlike Prigo, who is just another filthy oligarch of a certain tribe enriching himself at the expense of ordinary Russians, Elensky is helping to demilitarize Ukraine by obliging the RuAF and its meat grinders every day.

Kiko wrote:A lesson should be learned for Russia to develop its own sanctions-free, one hundred percent domestic version of a business jet for its executives. It should be prone to export as a sound quality (security and comfort)/price relationship.

caveat emptor wrote:Prigozhin didn't fall from the sky.

Begome wrote:

And no, he wasn't "Putin's confidante" lol...not any more than Chubais or other idiots who eventually were replaced.

caveat emptor wrote:You must live in parallel reality. Chubais, my friend, left the country, after the war started on his own accord. With all the money, i presume, he siphoned out from Inter RAO and Rosnano.

Begome wrote:My point is that just because someone is in a position of influence in Russia doesn't mean that person is "Putin's confidante" or "a product of Russian state and security structures under Putin", as you allege. The way Chubais left is immaterial to this point.

par far wrote:
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caveat emptor wrote:

Begome wrote:
Unlike Prigo, who is just another filthy oligarch of a certain tribe enriching himself at the expense of ordinary Russians, Elensky is helping to demilitarize Ukraine by obliging the RuAF and its meat grinders every day.

Prigozhin didn't fall from the sky. He was Putin's confidante for more than a decade and Russian state was giving him all the lucrative catering and other contracts.
So call him "filthy oligarch" or however you want, but he is a product of Russian state and security structures under Putin.

PapaDragon wrote:

There is always sufficient amount of retards to go around

They will fade away once the media hype fizzles out as always

flamming_python wrote:
The Ukrainians I don't think have the means to reach him all the way in Africa or Moscow either. It's not the same as blowing up Dugin's daughter's car. Nor do I think they necessarily had the motive either, they might have preferred to have him around creating more drama.

Which leaves either the Russian state itself or the US/France. The Russian state taking him out in this way sounds weird as I earlier opined, but in it's favour is the fact of Surovikin being dismissed just a day or two prior. Sort of like Russia wanting to send a definite message. But that supposes that Prigozhin led a genuine mutiny back in June and the jury is still out for me on that.