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    Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:14 pm

    I know it would be strange as he had been going all over the place the past few weeks but could something have happened where he was going to flee? Wouldnt put it past him.
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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:34 pm

    Good? It was a heart attack, pilots and attendants died too. Don’t be like Ukrainians.Sad
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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:34 pm

    All this story is weired.
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    Post  Backman Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:35 pm

    Really good Twitter stream recording here. Scott Ritter makes some good points about the whole thing 

    https://x.com/i/spaces/1ynJOalzOpAKR
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    Post  Begome Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:39 pm

    Backman wrote:Really good Twitter stream recording here. Scott Ritter makes some good points about the whole thing 

    https://x.com/i/spaces/1ynJOalzOpAKR

    Care to provide a short summary? Twatter only lets registered users view spaces these days :/

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:41 pm

    Regular wrote:Good? It was a heart attack, pilots and attendants died too. Don’t be like Ukrainians.Sad

    Private Wagner aircraft, no innocents

    Guess he was too good for commercial flight and didn't trust the Airforce, gosh I wonder why? pwnd

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:43 pm

    Backman wrote:Really good Twitter stream recording here. Scott Ritter makes some good points about the whole thing 

    https://x.com/i/spaces/1ynJOalzOpAKR

    Thanks for sharing, but Scott Ritter was wrong so many times, I can’t bother to listen to him. Also, Russian peculiarities are not his speciality.

    Will be awaiting what official Wagner TG will announce. So far, they asked not to speculate and will make an announcement
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am

    Very weird. One can't but wonder if everything was kosher here. Way to many things happened in last week. First, Colonel-General Gennady Zhidko dies at the age of 58. Then yesterday news about Surovikin and even some sources saying in the last week or so, that he was whole time under some kind of house arrest and prison and today this.
    These all can be just mutually not connected events, but on the other hand...
    Whole thing with Prigozhin was settled very unusually to begin with. A court trial for treason was in order.

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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:40 am

    Begome wrote:So apparently the Investigative Committee has opened a case due to violation of air transport regulations and flight radar shows anomalies of the flight parameters several minutes before the start of altitude loss, so it could be that this entitled clown was flying along a non-sanctioned route or engaging in other shenanigans, possibly because he thought that, having gotten away with a coup attempt and murder without punishment, he was now the prince of some Russian fiefdom, and the air force simply seized the moment and took him out with the "justification" of suspicious activity. Even if this is just cover, it's a good thing. Traitors need to be punished and this guy certainly deserved it...it will help stabilize Russia in the mid-to-long term even if some Wagner traitors now want revenge...also remember that most of their heavy weaponry was taken away from them in the last two months, so they present much less of a threat now. Nicely played, I say. thumbsup

    This is an interesting theory

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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:55 am

    Begome wrote:
    Backman wrote:Really good Twitter stream recording here. Scott Ritter makes some good points about the whole thing 

    https://x.com/i/spaces/1ynJOalzOpAKR

    Care to provide a short summary? Twatter only lets registered users view spaces these days :/

    I just seen he did a hit on Youtube too. He probably says similar things again but I haven't listened to it yet. Cant embed bc it is new. 5 minutes in he gets into the useful stuff

    https://www.youtube.com/live/sxKDeANGcao?si=HN-1T2yQ4dj5j1Ik

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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:31 am

    Alexander Mercouris will finally do his last video about Prigozhin. Smile He has been rather tired of his act all this time. As have many others.

    Remember. Prigozins videos just before the mutiny. The script sounded like it was written by the Ukraine govt and Nafo.

    It could be true that the order didn't come from the president. Somebody could have been aware that Prigozin was being an idiot again and just made the decision for Putin.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:06 am

    Ah so the Russians, took care of that loose end.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:59 am

    Lots of speculation but lets be honest... the west is more threatened by Wagner than Putin is... Progo never got any support outside Wagner for having a go at Putin and even within Wagner I doubt he got 100% support there either.

    I would say if anyone topped him it was with a bomb and it was probably the French or Americans because Wagner is a serious threat to their occupation of Africa right now and things are looking very fragile. Any intervention by France in Niger would be much easier for them if Wagner wasn't operating there or in neighbouring countries.

    Will be interesting to see how western media spins it... are they nazis and rapists and murders fresh from Russian prisons to fight for their freedom to do more evil, or were they heroic anti Putin forces murdered by the brutal regime of Putin and his evil empire.

    Who gives a sht, it seems he is dead now... he was no military genius, he was just a Russian oligarch who made his money in catering who did a lot of profiteering over this conflict, but to be fair he did more to help Russia fight nazis than most Russian oligarchs.

    Someone else will take over the group and I suspect things will continue and the west will continue to diminish...

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    Post  par far Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:32 am

    This is a huge blow to Russian efforts in Africa, Wagner could have helped in Africa.

    And the war in Ukraine is not over yet, Wagner could have helped.

    This is a sad day.

    This is a NATO operation, Russia need to hit back.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:35 am

    par far wrote:This is a huge blow to Russian efforts in Africa, Wagner could have helped in Africa.

    And the war in Ukraine is not over yet, Wagner could have helped.

    This is a sad day.

    This is a NATO operation, Russia need to hit back.

    Its a company.  It will have someone else take over and continue the task.

    I think most people here have some kind of mental issues in terms of memory.  It wasnt long ago that Prigohzin attempted a coup and was spewing Ukrainian narratives like "Russia started this war" "Shoigus war" "Ukraine is innocent and didn't want war".  He committed treason outright, made threats and is responsible for killing various Russian pilots.

    Anyone who praises the guy is seriously mentally ill.

    Edit: I will add - Pray tell, what did he actually do for Russia?  He didn't fight.  He is a billionair who made his money from selling food to Russian schools and military, held a monopoly on it.  Someone now took over for it.  Then he became a face for the organization through the other dead guy, whom apparently has rather very questionable ethics.  While the other guy was fighting on the front lines, there are tens of thousands of others who did as well.  Many of them helped in their charade - but most admitted they wanted no part of it.

    With them dead, someone else will take over - maybe someone with not a big mouth, blabbering nonsense and repeating bs lies, and someone who isn't gonna attempt to coup the country in the middle of a war which would have caused uproar inside the country - because you know, Putin was elected by the people (including military).  And before anyone says "election fraud and he stole elections" or something else stupid like that  - even foreign organizations who monitored the elections admitted it was clean and fair.

    TMA1 wrote:Good. Disgusting old greedy letch. My regards to the Russian airforce. Of all the horseshit he pulled, killing fellow Russians was his worst. Second being sympathizing with the enemy.

    Arc what's your problem? Russia is in a legit fight for survival. No red blooded young man should stand for international kabals trying to regime change their country and mortally wound the sovereignty. Dont care what you think of Putin. The key is THEY are trying to remove him, not the Russian people. Get it?


    If you pay attention to the conversation between him and Flaming Python, you will see that Arkh is a sixth columnist.  Claims to be a patriot but pushes all kinds of stupid comments that isn't reality, and is a coward and wants other people to do the fighting for him as he claims he will attempt to flight from any kind of mobilization.  These are the kind of people that are as dangerous as 5th columnists in any country.  Maybe worst as he hides behind the venire of being a "patriot".

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    Post  nomadski Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:04 am

    If Russia military wanted him out of office , then they could do this easily. As did they actually do by simply " exiling" him and avoid washing dirty laundry in public. NATO, were rubbing hands with glee, over Pirighozin " coup. " They were continously adding ingredients to the  "coup" stew , confabulating on BBC. I still think that the American special forces, took out the Ukrainian plane, over Tehran by manpads. Tehran covered up , to avoid war. The plane in Tehran, was hit at low altitude, same as this one, just after take off , near populated area , where debris could kill civilians ! Would Russian AD, do this?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:09 am

    kvs wrote:Seems like a NATzO operation to me.   Why would the Russian government bother to off this double agent this way?   Expect the usual
    Putin did it BS spew in the NATzO fake stream media.   Cui bono points away from Russia.

    And straight to Russian Airforce who deserved some righteous payback, good men and heroes

    Hopefully VKS delegation will visit the crash site to take a piss on the carcasses

    I wonder if they gave him a call before they pressed the button, if I were them I'd want that piece of shit to be informed of circumstances of his inevitable long overdue demise  sniper


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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:16 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Very weird. One can't but wonder if everything was kosher here. Way to many things happened in last week. First, Colonel-General Gennady Zhidko dies at the age of 58. Then yesterday news about Surovikin and even some sources saying in the last week or so, that he was whole time under some kind of house arrest and prison and today this.
    These all can be just mutually not connected events, but on the other hand...
    Whole thing with Prigozhin was settled very unusually to begin with. A court trial for treason was in order.

    Rogue mercenaries don't get trials

    And he was left alive way longer than it would have been appropriate

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:26 am



    Multiple amateur videos showing the plane smoking and swirling down from the sky.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:09 am

    But of course you bootlickers wanna blame NATO for his death lol, fact is he was a massive liability for the Russians and even killed some Russians....him remaining alive benefitted NATO.

    But even if that's true it means teatiors can literally kill your troops and walk away free, hell if that was the case the Russians have no backbone and they are welcome we did what they should have done.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:57 am

    Hahaha... HATO would kill him to stop Wagner taking away their influence in Africa, but then Wagner will likely just regroup and be refinanced by someone... lots of money in war in Africa but also lots of money in creating peace there too... and there are other Russian PMCs around the place who can also do the same job of kicking the Europeans and Americans out... which is going to be a huge boost for Africa.

    Doesn't really matter what happened, it does not change anything moving forward... Wagner might rebrand but whoever takes it over can continue their good work in Africa and around the world undoing the damage euro white people have been doing for centuries, and good luck to them.

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    Post  Regular Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:02 pm

    No one works in Africa to redo the damage due to idealism. Russia wants to cut out western powers of influence and cheap resources. It could benefit African countries if there won’t be a massive war and they manage to find new business partners (Russia is not interested in their resources, but whole Asia would replace European demand)
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    Post  Begome Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:59 pm

    Backman wrote:I just seen he did a hit on Youtube too. He probably says similar things again but I haven't listened to it yet. Cant embed bc it is new. 5 minutes in he gets into the useful stuff

    Thanks for the link!

    So he basically thinks that it's likely the air force shot him down, which I agree with. He speculates that Prigozhin, after "violating his parole conditions" (staying outside Russia), lost any protection in the administration he may have had and the air force took him out, likely using AD, somewhat symbolically exactly two months after Wagner shot down a transport plane with Russian officers.

    He also says that he has met with Wagner commanders and they're patriots and that many didn't support the coup attempt and that Wagner will continue under different leadership and still act in the interests of the Russian Federation.

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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:14 pm

    There is no reason to "take him out" in this fashion. If he violated his "parole" agreement, then arrest him and take him before a judge. He
    did not have the sort of power like in some banana republic where he could not be arrested and prosecuted.

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