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    Wagner Chief Y.Prigozhin killed in plane crash

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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:09 pm

    I just want to put this possibility out there. #Prigozhin's crash was an act of suicide. He was going to lose Wagner as he knew it. And he couldn't accept it. So he loaded the heartbeat of Wagner into his plane and suicided it.

    Maybe a video or letter will surface later proving it. The guy was mentally ill.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:36 am

    Backman wrote:I just want to put this possibility out there. #Prigozhin's crash was an act of suicide. He was going to lose Wagner as he knew it. And he couldn't accept it. So he loaded the heartbeat of Wagner into his plane and suicided it.

    Maybe a video or letter will surface later proving it. The guy was mentally ill.

    Criminal scumbag who was in love with himself suddenly decided to kill himself after literally getting away with everything without even a slap on the wrist?

    Literally ZERO possibility of that, this piece of traitor shit thought his time was just getting started

    Turns out he was wrong



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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:45 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Backman wrote:Who killed the traitor power panel 
    https://www.youtube.com/live/sGTe9Bwq9kg?si=SRGrksn3Uduy9EZi

    Yes it was the russsians, he gave them waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to many reasons. He was starting to become a problem for them

    Bunch of traitor vermin who decided to pick a blood feud with Russian Airforce suddenly died in a plane crash while flying through airspace controlled by Russian Airforce?

    Oh my God what a mystery, this is even more complex than case of Jack the Ripper, JFK assassination and Dalyatov Pass incident

    We will never be able to decipher what really happened lol1



    And before someone says "Kremlin wouldn't allow it!!!" what is Kremlin going to do? Arrest the whole VKS?

    They shit their pants when some bitch goons took a road trip, VKS is infinitely more dangerous than them


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:53 am

    JohninMK wrote:Zlatti71
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    Western sources report that Anton Elizarov, the commander of the unit that led the attack on Bakhmut and Soledar and also fought in Syria, the Central African Republic, and Libya, became the new leader of the Wagner group.

    #source
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    Let's see if this bitch will remember the core tenets of mercenary work: discretion and disposability

    His retarded traitor boss failed to read instruction manual


    Realistically this whole dog and pony show and a colossal waste of time, that entire fùcking zoo should be euthanized to the last ASAP



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    Post  Isos Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:20 pm

    ASAP ? If there is another offensive in Kiev from the north only Wagner has the balls and the experience to do it. If Wagnerites showed one thing it's their skills are very usefull. This whole joke that you call coup is an issue within the MoD and power control.
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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:43 am

    Isos wrote:ASAP ? If there is another offensive in Kiev from the north only Wagner has the balls and the experience to do it. If Wagnerites showed one thing it's their skills are very usefull. This whole joke that you call coup is an issue within the MoD and power control.

    Thats bullshit. Prigozhin did not directly name Putin in his outbursts, but in his wild dreams, if the coup somehow got serious momentum, he would have cast Putin aside.

    If he theoretically got the entire Russian military on his side, why would he stop 90% of the way there and grovel to Putin ? Not a chance. Especially not a fucking mental case like him.

    And the worst part is, it isn't even clear what his intentions would have been if he succeeded. It isn't clear that he would be more hawkish to the US. There's some evidence of the opposite.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:49 pm

    Isos wrote:ASAP ? If there is another offensive in Kiev from the north only Wagner has the balls and the experience to do it. If Wagnerites showed one thing it's their skills are very usefull. This whole joke that you call coup is an issue within the MoD and power control.

    Balls and experience to do what exactly? Send in waves of barely trained convicts in tacticool uniforms and Twitter accounts who get massacred by the truckload while taking a single apartment block over a period of two months after which their bosses will whine on social networks demanding that military does their job for them and blaming MoD for their incompetence?

    And when military does step on and do their work for them they will attempt a coup d'etat and murder Russian pilots because their owner thinks he is next Eric Prince only more retarded because real Eric Prince would never even think about betraying his country or murdering his compatriots (or be stupid enough to think he could actually pull it off)?

    These traitor morons couldn't take a village without fùcking up let alone fùcking Kiev

    Their only skill is to send them them forward to flush out the enemy and then fire bomb them both

    Traitors have no other useful skills or utilities

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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:39 pm

    Well I don't have the same definition of a traitor.

    The guys wa more pro russian than most in Russia.

    Meanwhile removing skillful generals that did great on the front from duty because they could take your seat is a bigger treason than wanting to remove such people from the government.

    The leadership is extremly bad. Thry made all that war goes for years only because they didn't want to go on full war mode. The targetting of power sources happened only after long time, they keep calling this shit a Special Military Operation when it's a fucking war, they let free roads to the enemy on the border, they let them still use grain corridor when they said they are making a blocus of the ports...

    Prigo was a realist. It's a fucking war and wanted to act in consequences when the MoD is playing like a pussy making people die for nothing. They seem to have no real goals right now but keep their position. Their war is behind the doors between themselves, they don't care about Ukraine.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:46 pm

    he targetting of power sources happened only after long time, they keep calling this shit a Special Military wrote:

    They were destroying Ukraine's energy infrastructure so as not to do too much to Ukraine. Mainly transformer stations were destroyed, which they quickly repaired. Hundreds of cruise missiles were used ineffectively.
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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:18 pm

    Isos wrote:Well I don't have the same definition of a traitor.

    The guys wa more pro russian than most in Russia.

    Meanwhile removing skillful generals that did great on the front from duty because they could take your seat is a bigger treason than wanting to remove such people from the government.

    The leadership is extremly bad. Thry made all that war goes for years only because they didn't want to go on full war mode. The targetting of power sources happened only after long time, they keep calling this shit a Special Military Operation when it's a fucking war, they let free roads to the enemy on the border, they let them still use grain corridor when they said they are making a blocus of the ports...

    Prigo was a realist. It's a fucking war and wanted to act in consequences when the MoD is playing like a pussy making people die for nothing. They seem to have no real goals right now but keep their position. Their war is behind the doors between themselves, they don't care about Ukraine.

    What a load of nonsense. Can you show me ANY evidence that Prigozhin would have been MORE hawkish to Ukraine of he was in power and not less hawkish ?

    I have evidence that he would have been LESS hawkish. My evidence is his own fucking speeches he did in front of camera the day before the mutiny. Where he said Ukraine wasn't actually shelling the Donbas , Russia could have negotiated to prevent the war , Russia plundered the Donbass ect. 

    Now you show me your evidence that Prigozhin would have been more hawkish

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    Post  franco Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:40 pm

    It became known that farewell to the co-founder and head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin and his funeral has already ended. This was announced on the evening of August 29 by the Prigozhin Press Service Telegram channel.

    Farewell to Evgeny Viktorovich took place in a closed format. Those wishing to say goodbye can visit the Porokhovskoe cemetery

    - the publication says without further explanation.

    Note that the mentioned message about Prigozhin appeared after the closure of the Porohovsky cemetery, located in the Krasnogvardeisky district of St. Petersburg (the north-eastern part of the northern capital of the Russian Federation) and working from 10:00 to 17:00. According to reports, the funeral of the Hero of Russia took place without military honors, but only in the presence of relatives and closest friends. So supposedly his relatives wanted him. The grave of Yevgeny Prigozhin is located next to the burial place of his father. In total, up to 30 people were present, and the mourning event took 40 minutes and took place around 16:00.

    Photo and video materials from the cemetery have appeared on the Web, but for ethical reasons we will not post them. Other persons who died in a plane crash on August 23 in the Tver region of Russia were not buried at the indicated cemetery.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/38746-prigozhina-pohoronili-na-porohovskom-kladbische-v-sankt-peterburge.html?utm_source=topwar.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:46 pm

    Who cares about hawkish or not ?

    This is a war. You fight or you don't. Wagner fought. Russian army didn't. FFS they needed months before targeting power supply which is n°1 target in any war. Now internet is still not destroyed. All the ukrainian top level command staff is totally safe. Trains and ships still bring supplies...

    They have a lot to learn from the US. In 2004 Saddam was hiding in rats holes. Zelensky is welcoming people in his Palaces and travelling around the world.

    Get real. MoD and Putin are jokes when it comes to war with their empty threat and imaginary redlines that are crossed daily.
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    Post  franco Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:23 pm

    Anton Elizarov became the new leader of the Wagner Group.

    Elizarov was marked by an offensive on Bakhmut and Soledar, and also fought in Syria, the Central African Republic and Libya.
    In the instructions written by Prigogine in advance in case of his death, the first point was to put Elizarov in his place.
    Anton Olegovich Elizarov was born in 1981 in the Rostov Region, USSR.
    In 1998 he graduated from the Ulyanovsk Suvorov Military School.
    In 2003 he graduated from the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School named after General of the Army V. F. Margelov.
    Hero of the LNR
    Hero of the DNR
    Hero of the Russian Federation.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:46 pm

    Isos wrote:Well I don't have the same definition of a traitor.

    The guys wa more pro russian than most in Russia.

    Meanwhile removing skillful generals that did great on the front from duty because they could take your seat is a bigger treason than wanting to remove such people from the government.

    The leadership is extremly bad. Thry made all that war goes for years only because they didn't want to go on full war mode. The targetting of power sources happened only after long time, they keep calling this shit a Special Military Operation when it's a fucking war, they let free roads to the enemy on the border, they let them still use grain corridor when they said they are making a blocus of the ports...

    Prigo was a realist. It's a fucking war and wanted to act in consequences when the MoD is playing like a pussy making people die for nothing. They seem to have no real goals right now but keep their position. Their war is behind the doors between themselves, they don't care about Ukraine.

    Prigozin was a moron, a traitor and a criminal

    If he had problem with his people dying (yeah, right) he should have never have gone into mercenary business because purpose of mercenaries is to kill and die on command for the duration of their contract in exchange for large sums of money

    He and his goons had no right to talk about anything related to Russian Military because they were not soldiers, they were mercenaries , external contractors, a hired help, a disposable tools as per their job description

    Respect, victories, reputation, honor and glory are reserved for the military, all mercenaries are entitled to is money and they were fully provided with it as per their contract

    The moment they started asking for anything else they stopped being useful

    If they had problem with their orders or treatment they were free not to continue with new contract after they completed current one with full and total compliance

    And these scumbags were definitely not patriots (perhaps Ukrainian but not Russian) because patriots join the regular military not mercenary companies

    And patriots definitely don't betray their nations in coup d'etats (I don't remember Foreign Legion disobeying orders and marching on Paris, do you?)

    Top level traitors are finally dead, now to mop up the rest of them, there should be no shortage of opportunities for proper cleanup in months to follow

    You are right about one thing: they should definitely be sent to Kiev, fastest way to get rid of them

    I'll bet good money that they will be switching uniforms the moment they get within 30km of it

    Patriots as if, funniest joke I heard on this forum yet  pwnd


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:41 am


    Here's a good one:

    Regardless on how you feel about the man, no one can deny Prigozhin did finally get that ammo he wanted  lol1




    Also I just love how the dudes made sure that fuselage stayed in one piece after the bang so that maggots were fully aware of what was happening all the way down

    Traitor bitches died screaming russia


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:09 am

    I can't find a thread on Russian PMC in general to put this as the days of Wagner being king of the pile may be limited. Should there be one?

    It seems that Redut is the PMC operation spun out of Gazprom self defence.

    Wagner PMC to be Replaced by 'Redut' PMC in Africa and the Middle East

    The private military company (PMC) "Redut" is intensifying its activities in the Middle East, expanding its presence in Syria and launching operations in Libya. According to sources, this company is following the tactical guidelines of the well-known Russian private military firm, Wagner PMC. Interestingly, the supervision of "Redut" is carried out by a former Wagner PMC member and Hero of Russia, Troshyov. Additionally, recruitment for "Redut" is conducted through the Molkin base, where Wagner PMC was previously stationed. Anastasia Kashevarova provides information on this matter.

    Such an expansion of PMC activities in the Middle East could have several consequences. As experts note, it strengthens Russia's influence in the region, especially amid the reduction of Western presence.

    It is noteworthy that earlier reports emerged suggesting that the Wagner PMC might cease to exist altogether following the deaths of key leaders. Information has surfaced that private military company personnel were advised to seek alternative employment, as the competition in Africa and the Middle East is becoming exceedingly fierce.


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:47 am

    So Wagner was dissolved and now Redut is the new PMC, and they are linked by Gazprom?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:02 pm

    While I am not defending Prizo, I will say some of his criticisms of how the russians are handling this war are very valid.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:37 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So Wagner was dissolved and now Redut is the new PMC, and they are linked by Gazprom?

    Good, some corporate oversight was desperately needed

    You can't have dogs deciding what owner does, leash needs to be held as tight as possible and if they step out of line they need to be put down immediately

    That includes keeping these goons off the internet and away from public eye



    SeigSoloyvov wrote:While I am not defending Prizo, I will say some of his criticisms of how the russians are handling this war are very valid.

    Some were some weren't but it's irrelevant

    They could have all been valid but it doesn't change the fact that he never had any right to voice any in the first place

    Mercenaries don't talk, criticize or interact with anyone. They obey, it's what they are paid for. End of story

    If he wanted different arrangement he should have pursued different career

    But he wanted mercenary level bucks, political level authority, corporate level power and military level glory

    That's not how the world works

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:19 am

    So Wagner was dissolved and now Redut is the new PMC, and they are linked by Gazprom?

    Not sure how I feel about that because part of the advantage to being a Private in PMC is that it is like the CIA and what it does or does not do is nothing to do with the Russian government.

    Gazprom is essentially a Russian government organisation which means this new org Redut is not so much a PMC and more of a foreign legion type group really.

    While I am not defending Prizo, I will say some of his criticisms of how the russians are handling this war are very valid.

    Even if he was right if you hire a contractor to build a shed and they go on social media and complain you are not supplying them with enough tools and equipment to do the job most people would fire them on the spot and wonder why they think it is the customer who should be supplying materials...

    You can't have dogs deciding what owner does, leash needs to be held as tight as possible and if they step out of line they need to be put down immediately

    Who lets you near children?

    How many of your kids have you put down because they got something wrong or were not improving to what you saw as their potential?

    If you put animals down for making mistakes or failing there would be no animals.

    That includes keeping these goons off the internet and away from public eye

    Well not talking on social media about their work or work conditions would be part of any modern work contract with any company.

    Have to admit I do agree with the rest of what you said...
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    Post  Backman Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:30 am

    This guy has a better explanation that there was an explosion in the cargo hold rather than in the landing gear

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    Post  Backman Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:50 am

    The head of the RF Investigative Committee Bastrykin reported that grenade fragments were found in the bodies of those killed in the plane crash, but there was no external impact on the plane - Putin about the death of the plane with Prigozhin.

    Still remains a question, some will argue that it could have been an accident. Tooled up body guards with grenades entering and exiting the plane and stashing their gear around. Could a grenade have gone off ?
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    Post  par far Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:56 pm

    The Duran saying this was an inside job.


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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:31 am

    It is pretty obvious that state got him, which is understandable. There was no need to comment that they maybe blow themselves up with grenade or any other thing. Or that they were under influence of drugs.

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