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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:21 pm




    In case of Kazakhstan it may not end well for it, as Putin has warm feelings towards ethnic Ukrainians, not towards ethnic Kazakhs.

    It might be a case of a much larger Georgia, and we know what took place in 2008.



    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/264/georgian-losses-reports

    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



    It is possible that Putin's response to Kazakhstan will be much harsher.

    As for Poland, I do not think majority of its population is eager to go to war against Russia.




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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:44 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The Ukro theater will not end before there is two more fronts opened.

    Just look at the idiocy created in Kazakhstan by Tokaev. This idiot is openly working against Russia with all red lines that will definitely provoke war. He signed an Agreement back in 2021 to create US biolabs on Kazakh soil, even more signed recently. Under him openly supporting a fascist Nazi state like Ukraine is all fine while everyone is sued or fined for even having a Russian flag. The open demonization of Russia and Russians is widely accepted instead of surpressing nationalism and anti-russian sentiment. The same Ukro propaganda talk is common of "bring back Kazakh territory like Omksaya Oblast', Astrakhanskaya Oblast', Tjuminskaya Oblast', Orenburgskaya Oblast' and Tomskaya Oblast'. That rhetoric is bold and does not come out of stupidity alone. They are getting told and the same "securities" Georgia and Ukraine were promised. This war is inevitable.

    The reason for Kazakhstan being a front is A) they are dumb enough and bordering Russia B) Kazakhstan is part of the turkic-language pan-turkic world Turkey itself is trying to create. Turkey is a disobedient dog of the US and is not obeying. It needs to be punished. They will either go and help Kazakhstan when shit happens or they will be not stupid and refrain from it, will lose trust among the turkic-language countries and take damage as the "leader" of this new alliance they are creating. It's a lose-lose situation for Turkey, a giant Dick up the Ass for Kazakhstan, because it will definitely lose some parts of it's territory and roughly 10% of it's population, not to mention the flood of roughly 2-3 mln refugees to bordering countries.

    The other front we know is Polen and time will tell how stupid that will end.

    Kazakhstan is not much of a front. How will NATO transfer war material to it? Russia and Iran can close off access via the Caspian any time they want. Just Russia alone can do so. The rest of the Central Asian states won't involve themselves by acting as conduits for NATO arms supplies to Kazakhstan. The only other way is through Afghanistan but that's a dubious proposition.

    That's without even going into how much of Kazakhstan's economy is tied to Russia's, with the balance being made up by China. There is no comparison here even to pre-Maidan Ukraine.

    Of course we can see that Kazakhstan has been moving towards 'import-substituting' Russia, cancelling that joint space rocket recently for one thing, and ordering military equipment from NATO members. We'll see where this goes, but on the whole I don't see NATO being able to establish itself here.
    I see their moves more of a way of pursuing this 'multi-vector' crap and trying to get the best of both worlds as they know Russia will be reluctant to retaliate over restrictions or insults due to Russia needing them for access to the rest of Central Asia, while with the Western bloc they have less leeway and so have to demonstrate their fealty to them more. Sort of like Turkey's relationship with the rest of NATO and its gestures towards Russia, but just reversed.
    I suspect Russia and China will simply opt to quietly cut Kazakhstan out of their infrastructural development and economic integration projects and that will be that. Let them stew in their own multi-vector juices.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:$12k is a new rate for a man smuggling via the Danube to Romania.
    Confirmed today.
    My Ukrainian employee was just collecting cash for bailing out his younger brother kidnapped straight from the street.
    Just kidnapped. A car stopped, three guys jumped out, and pulled him into a van.
    Krivy Rog.
    Those things are real folks. Just real.

    Sounds like you will become a new Oskar Schindler soon ALAMO

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Kazakhstan is not much of a front. How will NATO transfer war material to it? Russia and Iran can close off access via the Caspian any time they want. Just Russia alone can do so. The rest of the Central Asian states won't involve themselves by acting as conduits for NATO arms supplies to Kazakhstan. The only other way is through Afghanistan but that's a dubious proposition.

    It is not about Kazakhstan or how much of fight they will bring, it is more about the additional pain it will bring in short and mid terms. The uneducated masses already have the sentiment "Look, where Russia is there is always war". This is not draining any NATO logistics or assets. They won't supply anything they can not or unwilling to lose anyways. They will force and mobilize logistics from turkic speaking countries they have occupied already anyways. This will be political more than anything, besides, our enemy counts on working propaganda and a domino effect of turning everyone stupid enough against Russia and drowning it with a zerg-effect if possible. There is enough through Turkey that they could supply and they are counting on it to weaken Russia and Turkey and beating two birds with one stone, so to say. You are not stupid to believe the US is giving a single **** about any NATO member. They were groomed to be used as a meat shield.

    flamming_python wrote:
    That's without even going into how much of Kazakhstan's economy is tied to Russia's, with the balance being made up by China. There is no comparison here even to pre-Maidan Ukraine.

    Did not stop Ukraine from attacking Donbas, which was the money maker for the whole country. You seem to underestimate the hybris and stupidity that doubless through their hate.

    flamming_python wrote:
    Of course we can see that Kazakhstan has been moving towards 'import-substituting' Russia, cancelling that joint space rocket recently for one thing, and ordering military equipment from NATO members. We'll see where this goes, but on the whole I don't see NATO being able to establish itself here.

    Not sure if you even follow or have relatives there, but the nationalism there grows daily and is felt by many who did not give two fucks about politics or Ukraine.

    flamming_python wrote:
    I see their moves more of a way of pursuing this 'multi-vector' crap and trying to get the best of both worlds as they know Russia will be reluctant to retaliate over restrictions or insults due to Russia needing them for access to the rest of Central Asia, while with the Western bloc they have less leeway and so have to demonstrate their fealty to them more. Sort of like Turkey's relationship with the rest of NATO and its gestures towards Russia, but just reversed.
    I suspect Russia and China will simply opt to quietly cut Kazakhstan out of their infrastructural development and economic integration projects and that will be that. Let them stew in their own multi-vector juices.

    To me, it does not appear to be their strategy. They are abusing Russia's bad habit of sticking to agreements even when the other side breaks the agreements. They are abusing Russia to jump for another branch. I was born there and still have relatives there. Kazakhstan has as much as development as Ukraine in the last 30 years. The only thing they managed to build was Astana, but at the same time are annoying and destroying their own history by pseudo historic acts and historians. The very fact that they have renamed their capital and other cities in that short period of time is adding to the social confusion. The citizens don't even know the history of their own country, at least to big part of it they don't. They have as many nationalistic pseudo-historians as Ukraine and are increasing this madness more and more.

    The issue with Russia is, they are trying to be the good guy always and are following "reason" in a world gone mad. That shit does not work. Today's world is still played by the US rules and they know it, however, try to apply new set of rules in some places where they can hurt the NATO dogs and stick to the old rules when it comes to Kazakhstan.

    China is another subject, but looking at the situation and what the US has planned with for Russia they are therefore not investing to much, maybe they are in believe they can dominate in 20 years everyone. Who fucking knows.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Kazakhstan is not much of a front. How will NATO transfer war material to it? Russia and Iran can close off access via the Caspian any time they want. Just Russia alone can do so. The rest of the Central Asian states won't involve themselves by acting as conduits for NATO arms supplies to Kazakhstan. The only other way is through Afghanistan but that's a dubious proposition.
    The moment you have to intervene militarily, you acknowledge that your diplomacy lost. Instead, of waiting for situation in Kazakhstan to unravel and then react, it would be better if Russia was more proactive and pressure economically  and in bilateral meetings Kazakhstan's politicians to change their stance. Admittedly, Kazakhstan is not dangerous as Ukraine is, but it is hard to have to explain to your own population that they need to support another war. 
    First thing Russia could do, would be to press hard for better protection of Russian population that still lives there, as they are under pressure in the last 30 years. 
    Unfortunately, this is another problem left by USSR legacy. Serbs had same problem in ex-Yugoslavia.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Kazakhstan is not much of a front. How will NATO transfer war material to it? Russia and Iran can close off access via the Caspian any time they want. Just Russia alone can do so. The rest of the Central Asian states won't involve themselves by acting as conduits for NATO arms supplies to Kazakhstan. The only other way is through Afghanistan but that's a dubious proposition.

    It is not about Kazakhstan or how much of fight they will bring, it is more about the additional pain it will bring in short and mid terms. The uneducated masses already have the sentiment "Look, where Russia is there is always war". This is not draining any NATO logistics or assets. They won't supply anything they can not or unwilling to lose anyways. They will force and mobilize logistics from turkic speaking countries they have occupied already anyways. This will be political more than anything, besides, our enemy counts on working propaganda and a domino effect of turning everyone stupid enough against Russia and drowning it with a zerg-effect if possible. There is enough through Turkey that they could supply and they are counting on it to weaken Russia and Turkey and beating two birds with one stone, so to say. You are not stupid to believe the US is giving a single **** about any NATO member. They were groomed to be used as a meat shield.
    i have to agree with you. I  hope Ukraine ends before Kazakhstan and Armenia starts...one of two for sure.  Pashilian is doing everything to jump on western train and kick
    Russia out though Armenia lives from Russian energy export to Russia and migrants money to large part.



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    China is another subject, but looking at the situation and what the US has planned with for Russia they are therefore not investing to much, maybe they are in believe they can dominate in 20 years everyone. Who fucking knows.
    The beauty of situation is that they just  cant.  There is India closing the gap and Russia still has weapons so doesnt look like. West is not going anywhere though will shrink largely comparing to other players.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:It is not about Kazakhstan or how much of fight they will bring, it is more about the additional pain it will bring in short and mid terms. The uneducated masses already have the sentiment "Look, where Russia is there is always war". This is not draining any NATO logistics or assets. They won't supply anything they can not or unwilling to lose anyways. They will force and mobilize logistics from turkic speaking countries they have occupied already anyways. This will be political more than anything, besides, our enemy counts on working propaganda and a domino effect of turning everyone stupid enough against Russia and drowning it with a zerg-effect if possible. There is enough through Turkey that they could supply and they are counting on it to weaken Russia and Turkey and beating two birds with one stone, so to say. You are not stupid to believe the US is giving a single **** about any NATO member. They were groomed to be used as a meat shield.

    The uneducated masses in Kazakhstan don't need any excuse to be Russophobic. It was the same story in the 90s. Here I mean chiefly the south and west of the country. The north was not only traditionally populated by a large amount of Russians/Ukrainians but also the Kazakhs there are pretty Russified too. Same goes with the former capital, Almaty.

    No, the rest of the Central Asian states won't get involved by agreeing to accept and reroute NATO arms to Kazakhstan. What's in it for them? Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan have some serious rivalry. None of the Central Asian states will appreciate Russia expanding in their region through territory, but if its restricted to to facing down Kazakhstan and stopping the prospect of NATO sending supplies there none of them will give a shit.

    flamming_python wrote:
    Did not stop Ukraine from attacking Donbas, which was the money maker for the whole country. You seem to underestimate the hybris and stupidity that doubless through their hate.

    It didn't, but the Ukraine was able to survive economically after 2014 due to its border with the EU, virtual money injected into its economy by America, and its economy was able to survive after the start of the SMO via the same mechanisms. Kazakhstan shares no border with the West, instead a very dubious and insecure line through the Caspian and then through either conditionally pro-Western Armenia into Turkey, or Georgia via the Black Sea into the EU, with Georgia itself distancing itself from the West slowly and the Black Sea being under interdiction by Russia.
    While the virtual printing press to prop up Kazakhstan's economy as the Ukraine's is currently being propped up probably won't be as easy by the time a confrontation with Kazakhstan rolls about.

    I doubt a war with Kazakhstan will just break out spontaneously. There will be political confrontation first, a cut-down of trade flows and investment projects and so on. If it actually comes to an open confrontation that that is, I don't think it will.
    And then we'll see how effective state propaganda there at convincing the population there that a bright economic future is awaiting them and that Russia will collapse soon; compared to the same state propaganda efforts in the Ukraine. My estimate - not very.

    Not sure if you even follow or have relatives there, but the nationalism there grows daily and is felt by many who did not give two fucks about politics or Ukraine.

    I don't, and assessing things is hard frankly. Because we get people from Kazakhstan here such as Russians who claim things there are worse now and there's nothing left to do there - but they've been saying the same thing for the last 30 years. We also get Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, and they're the same normal people as they've always been - but they're mostly from either the north of the country or Almaty. To judge the actual situation you'll have to go there for yourself and the country is simply not much of a holiday destination so personally I have no reason to.

    To me, it does not appear to be their strategy. They are abusing Russia's bad habit of sticking to agreements even when the other side breaks the agreements. They are abusing Russia to jump for another branch. I was born there and still have relatives there. Kazakhstan has as much as development as Ukraine in the last 30 years. The only thing they managed to build was Astana, but at the same time are annoying and destroying their own history by pseudo historic acts and historians. The very fact that they have renamed their capital and other cities in that short period of time is adding to the social confusion. The citizens don't even know the history of their own country, at least to big part of it they don't. They have as many nationalistic pseudo-historians as Ukraine and are increasing this madness more and more.

    Oh yeah and you can run into plenty of their pseudo-historians on YouTube.
    I was dating a girl from Kazakhstan a couple years ago and she mentioned that her dad has gotten very into these pan-Turk pseudo-history works they have. National Socialism is a disease unfortunately.
    Nevertheless, if they were as stupid as the Ukrainians are, they would be the ones at war with Russia and with their male population being sacrificed by the Anglo powers, and not the Ukrainians. They are simply not that stupid, albeit Kazakh nationalists and the oligarchy which supports them are certainly brazen. Russophobia in Kazakhstan goes back a long way yet throughout the 90s, 2000s, 2010s they've successfully managed relations with Russia quite well and managed to get a lot out of them for their own development.
    Kazakhstan is inflating its own asking price at the moment same as any girl from Central Asia does before her suitors, nothing much more.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Sounds like you will become a new Oskar Schindler soon ALAMO

    Hardly Laughing
    It's his money.
    But the case is, that is all true.
    No Russkie propaganda. They do kidnap people from the streets, a daily basis.
    Just as we see it in some TG channels. Disbelieving. scratch
    What kind of monsterous regime did Europe help to created Shocked It is just a shame.
    I feel ashamed. Watching those guys in the eyes.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:12 pm

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (27 August 2023)

    ▫ Last night, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a strike with long-range airborne high-precision weapons against an airfield near Pinchuky (Kiev region). The objective of the strike has been achieved. All the assigned targets have been engaged.

    ▫ In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces repelled 11 attacks by assault detachments of the 43rd, 44th, 115th mechanised and 68th Jaeger brigades of the AFU during the day in the areas of Sinkovka (Kharkov), and Novosyolovskoye and Novoegorovka LPR.

    ▫ The enemy's losses in Kupyansk direction amounted to up to 120 servicemen killed and wounded, 1 tank, 3 AFVs, 3 vehicles, as well as a M777 artillery system.

    ▫ In Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian grouping of forces successfully repelled 5 attacks by assault groups of the 116th Mechanised, 82nd Air Assault, and 46th Airmobile brigades of the AFU of Rabotino and Uspenovka (Zaporozhye).

    ▫ Over the day in Zaporozhye direction, up to 200 servicemen, 3 AFVs, 4 motor vehicles, 2 M777 artillery systems, Panzerhaubitze 2000 and a Krab self-propelled artillery systems, a D-20 howitzer, and a M119 gun were neutralised.

    ▫ In Donetsk direction, 2 enemy attacks were repelled close to Pervomaiskoye and Nevelskoye DPR by the Yug Group of Forces.

    ▫ The enemy's losses in Donetsk direction amounted to up to 240 servicemen killed and wounded, 3 AFVs, 5 pick-up trucks, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, a M777 artillery system, and 2 D-30 howitzers.

    ▫ In Krasny Liman direction, units of the Tsentr Group of Forces repelled three attacks by assault groups of the 42nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU near Chervonaya Dibrova LPR.

    ▫ During the day, the enemy's losses in Krasny Liman direction amounted to more than 80 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 pick-up trucks, and 2 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery units.

    ▫ In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on clusters of AFU manpower and hardware in the areas of Novodonetskoye DPR and Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye).

    ▫ The enemy's losses amounted to up to 130 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 3 motor vehicles, as well as D-20, Msta-B, and D-30 howitzers.

    ▫ In Kherson direction, Russian units eliminated up to 15 servicemen, 5 motor vehicles, a M777 artillery system, and a D-30 howitzer as a result of a complex fire attack.

    ▫ Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Armed Forces' grouping of troops (forces) engaged manpower and military hardware of the AFU in 144 areas.

    ▫ A P-37 radar station used for detecting air targets, guiding fighter aircraft, and targeting anti-aircraft missile systems was destroyed near the city of Zaporozhye.

    ▫ An ammunition depot of the 47th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU has been destroyed near Slavgorod (Dnepropetrovsk).

    ▫ The Russian fighter aviation shot down a Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force near Zalivnoye (Zaporozhye).

    ▫ Air defence forces shot down 2 Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force close to Malaya Tokmachka and Novodanilovka (Zaporozhye). 9 HIMARS projectiles were intercepted during the day.

    ▫ In addition 30 UAVs were shot down close to Nikolayevka, Privolye, and Topolevka LPR, Lozovoye, Ivanovka, Semigorie, and Podgornoye DPR, Novoye, Chapayevka, Tokmak, and Skelevatoye (Zaporozhye) and Vasilievka (Kherson).

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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:53 pm

    this 'multi-vector' crap
    You can´t sit between two chairs. Time that some politicians learn that lesson.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 27, 2023 4:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    The uneducated masses in Kazakhstan don't need any excuse to be Russophobic. It was the same story in the 90s. Here I mean chiefly the south and west of the country. The north was not only traditionally populated by a large amount of Russians/Ukrainians but also the Kazakhs there are pretty Russified too. Same goes with the former capital, Almaty.
    Agreed, however, the issue is it's supported directly and indirectly by the state. That right there is what makes the huge difference. The tendencies are in the open.

    flamming_python wrote:
    No, the rest of the Central Asian states won't get involved by agreeing to accept and reroute NATO arms to Kazakhstan. What's in it for them? Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan have some serious rivalry. None of the Central Asian states will appreciate Russia expanding in their region through territory, but if its restricted to to facing down Kazakhstan and stopping the prospect of NATO sending supplies there none of them will give a shit.

    They will, because they are mostly the same way controlled like Germany, Poland, France and the rest of the bastards on second row. Germany did not only not gain a single penny from this, they are getting as we speak de-industrialized. The country that only and exclusively had a single earned penny based on their industrial capacity. Higher prices, inflation of over 100% just this year, industry gets fucked and the former Nazi country with the nephew of an SS Hauptmann is supporting an open Nazi government against Russia.

    We are talking about countries who not only did not much achieve in the past 30 years, we are talking about countries that blame their own misery on Russia. "Russia is holding us back" and  "Being Pro-Russian won't give us any economical benefits" or "Look how far Germany and Poland came being in the EU". All that are tactics to support russophobia and is simple divide and conquer tactics. One of us is either underestimating their stupidity even with knowledge of what happens if you go the Maidan route or the other is far to pessimistic. I would rather be in the wrong and you in the right, but I am a pessimistic realist.

    flamming_python wrote:
    It didn't, but the Ukraine was able to survive economically after 2014 due to its border with the EU, virtual money injected into its economy by America, and its economy was able to survive after the start of the SMO via the same mechanisms. Kazakhstan shares no border with the West, instead a very dubious and insecure line through the Caspian and then through either conditionally pro-Western Armenia into Turkey, or Georgia via the Black Sea into the EU, with Georgia itself distancing itself from the West slowly and the Black Sea being under interdiction by Russia.
    While the virtual printing press to prop up Kazakhstan's economy as the Ukraine's is currently being propped up probably won't be as easy by the time a confrontation with Kazakhstan rolls about.

    Sure, if you are the US and have cows you can milk until they die and will not complain you will milk them. Germany already pays things no sovereign country would ever endure or support, yet they do. Why not pay for a few more. Russia is evil after all, if we can pay money to these countries it will keep the Russians away from our borders.

    The thing is, you are living in Russia with sane society, while I am surrounded by idiots who happy believe everything. I fucking work in IT and these bastards believe the washing machine stealing for micro chips for Russian Iskanders. If I am not mistaken you worked or work somewhere in the same field. You wouldn't be able to not face palm yourself working with people who are supposed to understand the subject they are discussing and the absurdity, but no, double think is embedded in these idiots.

    It will be a loss for all three involved, however the US and globalists will totally love it as the only ones who are involved are the ones they think should be exterminated anyways.


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    I doubt a war with Kazakhstan will just break out spontaneously. There will be political confrontation first, a cut-down of trade flows and investment projects and so on. If it actually comes to an open confrontation that that is, I don't think it will.
    And then we'll see how effective state propaganda there at convincing the population there that a bright economic future is awaiting them and that Russia will collapse soon; compared to the same state propaganda efforts in the Ukraine. My estimate - not very.

    The Ukraine war was quite sudden and I did not believe it even when I read it in German news. That is based on the nature of western MSM.

    The Georgian war was quite sudden from my fading memories.
    Moldovian "vote" on changing national language from Moldovan to Rumanian was quite sudden.

    If you want to boil the frog you just need a few steps of increasing the temperature. Memory of today's people is so conditioned on forggeting what was yesterday that you can change things rapidly. I even noticed that in Russia, unfortunately. I still remember the snake behavior of Turkey downing and murdering the Su-24 and it's pilots.


    flamming_python wrote:
    I don't, and assessing things is hard frankly. Because we get people from Kazakhstan here such as Russians who claim things there are worse now and there's nothing left to do there - but they've been saying the same thing for the last 30 years. We also get Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, and they're the same normal people as they've always been - but they're mostly from either the north of the country or Almaty. To judge the actual situation you'll have to go there for yourself and the country is simply not much of a holiday destination so personally I have no reason to.

    Quite honestly, the society in Ukraine is no different with one exception that the sane people have to shut up or die for their "freedom of speech", which is not the case in Kazakhstan. That is the only reason why you still hear voice of reason. But of course you shouldn't believe me just because I say something. Time will tell anyways. I would be happy to be proven wrong.


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    Oh yeah and you can run into plenty of their pseudo-historians on YouTube.
    I was dating a girl from Kazakhstan a couple years ago and she mentioned that her dad has gotten very into these pan-Turk pseudo-history works they have. National Socialism is a disease unfortunately.
    Nevertheless, if they were as stupid as the Ukrainians are, they would be the ones at war with Russia and with their male population being sacrificed by the Anglo powers, and not the Ukrainians. They are simply not that stupid, albeit Kazakh nationalists and the oligarchy which supports them are certainly brazen. Russophobia in Kazakhstan goes back a long way yet throughout the 90s, 2000s, 2010s they've successfully managed relations with Russia quite well and managed to get a lot out of them for their own development.
    Kazakhstan is inflating its own asking price at the moment same as any girl from Central Asia does before her suitors, nothing much more.
    That is the reason why  I see parallels between Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:14 pm

    ^ Of course there is parallels. Who could deny that ?Bio labs ? 

    Xi and Putin sit there schmoozing with the Kazakistan leader that is dismantling all cooperation with Russia and China openly. Some say the leader , whatever that nerdy freaks name is , is an actual cia asset. It is so f*cking frustrating. 

    Russia and China should be able to regime change a country in their front yard. Why aren't they learning how to do this ? Find political leaders in the country and fund them to do your bidding
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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:20 pm

    Speaking of Mariupol, what about Mariupol ? It wasn't a particularly nasty battle. It wasn't completely destroyed like Solidar or Marinka. 

    What did Russia do in Mariupol that made it work ? They did take the city. And it was fast compared to today's battles.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:23 pm

    They are getting worried!

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    In the areas of the settlements of Pitomnik, Borschevaya, Cherkasskie Tishki, the AFU is trying urgently to set obstacles against advancement of infantry and equipment.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:If Russia cannot subdue the Ukies AF,  are people seriously stupid enough to be claiming Russia could neutralize all of NATOs AF in ten min....and we do have planes capable of carrying ask with 200m range .


    The BS the armchair experts say here is fing comedy

    They won't be able to wipe out NATOs air force, but the key is to prevent NATO from establishing air dominance. Russia has thought this through. The RUAF will focus on talking out AWACs and Tanker. Without these they have a really hard time operating.

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    Rumor du jour: Tucker to inverview Putin. bounce cheers welcome

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:36 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    The uneducated masses in Kazakhstan don't need any excuse to be Russophobic. It was the same story in the 90s. Here I mean chiefly the south and west of the country. The north was not only traditionally populated by a large amount of Russians/Ukrainians but also the Kazakhs there are pretty Russified too. Same goes with the former capital, Almaty.
    Agreed, however, the issue is it's supported directly and indirectly by the state. That right there is what makes the huge difference. The tendencies are in the open.

    flamming_python wrote:
    No, the rest of the Central Asian states won't get involved by agreeing to accept and reroute NATO arms to Kazakhstan. What's in it for them? Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan have some serious rivalry. None of the Central Asian states will appreciate Russia expanding in their region through territory, but if its restricted to to facing down Kazakhstan and stopping the prospect of NATO sending supplies there none of them will give a shit.

    They will, because they are mostly the same way controlled like Germany, Poland, France and the rest of the bastards on second row. Germany did not only not gain a single penny from this, they are getting as we speak de-industrialized. The country that only and exclusively had a single earned penny based on their industrial capacity. Higher prices, inflation of over 100% just this year, industry gets fucked and the former Nazi country with the nephew of an SS Hauptmann is supporting an open Nazi government against Russia.

    We are talking about countries who not only did not much achieve in the past 30 years, we are talking about countries that blame their own misery on Russia. "Russia is holding us back" and  "Being Pro-Russian won't give us any economical benefits" or "Look how far Germany and Poland came being in the EU". All that are tactics to support russophobia and is simple divide and conquer tactics. One of us is either underestimating their stupidity even with knowledge of what happens if you go the Maidan route or the other is far to pessimistic. I would rather be in the wrong and you in the right, but I am a pessimistic realist.

    flamming_python wrote:
    It didn't, but the Ukraine was able to survive economically after 2014 due to its border with the EU, virtual money injected into its economy by America, and its economy was able to survive after the start of the SMO via the same mechanisms. Kazakhstan shares no border with the West, instead a very dubious and insecure line through the Caspian and then through either conditionally pro-Western Armenia into Turkey, or Georgia via the Black Sea into the EU, with Georgia itself distancing itself from the West slowly and the Black Sea being under interdiction by Russia.
    While the virtual printing press to prop up Kazakhstan's economy as the Ukraine's is currently being propped up probably won't be as easy by the time a confrontation with Kazakhstan rolls about.

    Sure, if you are the US and have cows you can milk until they die and will not complain you will milk them. Germany already pays things no sovereign country would ever endure or support, yet they do. Why not pay for a few more. Russia is evil after all, if we can pay money to these countries it will keep the Russians away from our borders.

    The thing is, you are living in Russia with sane society, while I am surrounded by idiots who happy believe everything. I fucking work in IT and these bastards believe the washing machine stealing for micro chips for Russian Iskanders. If I am not mistaken you worked or work somewhere in the same field. You wouldn't be able to not face palm yourself working with people who are supposed to understand the subject they are discussing and the absurdity, but no, double think is embedded in these idiots.

    It will be a loss for all three involved, however the US and globalists will totally love it as the only ones who are involved are the ones they think should be exterminated anyways.


    flamming_python wrote:
    I doubt a war with Kazakhstan will just break out spontaneously. There will be political confrontation first, a cut-down of trade flows and investment projects and so on. If it actually comes to an open confrontation that that is, I don't think it will.
    And then we'll see how effective state propaganda there at convincing the population there that a bright economic future is awaiting them and that Russia will collapse soon; compared to the same state propaganda efforts in the Ukraine. My estimate - not very.

    The Ukraine war was quite sudden and I did not believe it even when I read it in German news. That is based on the nature of western MSM.

    The Georgian war was quite sudden from my fading memories.
    Moldovian "vote" on changing national language from Moldovan to Rumanian was quite sudden.

    If you want to boil the frog you just need a few steps of increasing the temperature. Memory of today's people is so conditioned on forggeting what was yesterday that you can change things rapidly. I even noticed that in Russia, unfortunately. I still remember the snake behavior of Turkey downing and murdering the Su-24 and it's pilots.


    flamming_python wrote:
    I don't, and assessing things is hard frankly. Because we get people from Kazakhstan here such as Russians who claim things there are worse now and there's nothing left to do there - but they've been saying the same thing for the last 30 years. We also get Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, and they're the same normal people as they've always been - but they're mostly from either the north of the country or Almaty. To judge the actual situation you'll have to go there for yourself and the country is simply not much of a holiday destination so personally I have no reason to.

    Quite honestly, the society in Ukraine is no different with one exception that the sane people have to shut up or die for their "freedom of speech", which is not the case in Kazakhstan. That is the only reason why you still hear voice of reason. But of course you shouldn't believe me just because I say something. Time will tell anyways. I would be happy to be proven wrong.


    flamming_python wrote:
    Oh yeah and you can run into plenty of their pseudo-historians on YouTube.
    I was dating a girl from Kazakhstan a couple years ago and she mentioned that her dad has gotten very into these pan-Turk pseudo-history works they have. National Socialism is a disease unfortunately.
    Nevertheless, if they were as stupid as the Ukrainians are, they would be the ones at war with Russia and with their male population being sacrificed by the Anglo powers, and not the Ukrainians. They are simply not that stupid, albeit Kazakh nationalists and the oligarchy which supports them are certainly brazen. Russophobia in Kazakhstan goes back a long way yet throughout the 90s, 2000s, 2010s they've successfully managed relations with Russia quite well and managed to get a lot out of them for their own development.
    Kazakhstan is inflating its own asking price at the moment same as any girl from Central Asia does before her suitors, nothing much more.
    That is the reason why  I see parallels between Ukraine and Kazakhstan.


    Stop saying stupid things. I am not German and I know the politics of your country better than you. The German extreme right is overwhelmingly sympathetic to Russia. That Nazi supports a Jewish government that promotes pornography and gender ideology? So he's not a Nazi. He's stupid.
    Likewise. You are right that the Germans are mostly stupid, like everyone else in the West. It is a matter of time for Islam to dominate them and give them a bit of order and conservation.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:51 pm

    @ArgentinaGuard...

    Honestly... was it necessary to repeat that entire long post to make that one line comment?

    Please trim your posts or there will be problems.

    What kind of monsterous regime did Europe help to created Shocked It is just a shame.
    I feel ashamed. Watching those guys in the eyes.

    I am sure most European capitals would be genuinely horrified at that behaviour.... because they are not getting a percentage of the loot. Mad

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    Post  Godric Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:17 am

    Ukraine claiming it's attacked a Airbase near Kursk with a drone swarm, destroying 4 SU 30s, 1 mig 29, 2 Pantsirs and a S-300

    whether it's true or not time will tell as i have only seen it from 1 source so i'm hedging Ukrainian Propaganda

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:06 am

    @fire

    You this but there is already growing signs of wearyniess for the war within Russia.

    Yes you feel this way but others don't and the more time passes the more others won't
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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:09 am

    Godric wrote:Ukraine claiming it's attacked a Airbase near Kursk with a drone swarm, destroying 4 SU 30s, 1 mig 29, 2 Pantsirs and a S-300

    whether it's true or not time will tell as i have only seen it from 1 source so i'm hedging Ukrainian Propaganda


    1, Why do you give them the time of day?

    2. Ony 4 Su 30s, 1 mig and some pantstirs? Bah, I heard it all of Russia's airpower west of the Urals, that there are no more sams anywhere in Russia and Russia is now at a negative 5000 in missiles available.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:33 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/581931-west-enabling-drone-strikes/

    West enabling Ukrainian attacks on Russian civilian targets – The Economist

    Kiev’s drone program depends on Western-provided intelligence to circumvent Russian defenses, the British news magazine has reported


    Ukraine relies on Western intelligence and satellite surveillance to guide its drones toward targets within Russia, The Economist reported on Sunday. The report backs up Moscow’s claims that the West is complicit in these “terrorist” strikes.

    Russia’s extensive air defense and electronic warfare capacity mean that Ukrainian drone operators often need outside help to hit targets deep inside Russia, The Economist reported, citing anonymous sources within Ukraine’s multiple drone programs. This assistance includes “intelligence (often from Western partners) about radars, electronic warfare, and air-defense assets,” the report stated.

    Feedback on the success of a strike is compiled from satellites, the report noted. Ukraine has only a single surveillance satellite, meaning that any imagery collected in between its 15 daily orbits is likely provided by Western satellites.

    While Ukraine often attempts to hit military targets within Russia, many of its strikes are focused on civilian infrastructure and residential areas. In the most recent incident, a small drone slammed into an apartment block in the city of Kursk, shattering windows but leaving nobody injured. Successive waves of drone attacks have targeted Moscow’s central business district in recent weeks, and although the strikes on the capital have not killed anyone, an attack on the border region of Belgorod earlier this week left three people dead.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:36 am

    If there was an attack on a Russian base, guarantee we would be told via Rybar. Since Rybar has a tendency to really highlight Russian failures.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:44 am

    https://punchng.com/luxurious-villa-owned-by-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskyys-family-discovered-on-egyptian-coast/

    Luxurious Villa owned by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s Family Discovered On Egyptian Coast Cool

    Egyptian investigative journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi provided exclusive materials concerning the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

    According to the documents, Zelenskyy’s family has acquired a luxury villa in “the city of millioners” El Gouna. According to investigation,  Olga Kiyashko, whose name matches the name of Zelenskyy’s mother-in-law, owns a VIP estate worth $5 million.

    Political scientist Abdulrahman Alabbassy draws a conclusion that the president’s relative purchased the estate with the humanitarian aid funds allocated to Ukraine by the West to repel Russian military aggression.

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