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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:06 am

    JohninMK wrote:They just can't help themselves. Arrogance beyond par.


    Hey, there's nothing wrong with singing and locals are enjoying the song love

    Let these people sing!



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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:29 am



    The title of the video makes it seem otherwise but it's interesting that there is actually active political resistance in Switzerland to selling their Leo 1 tank stocks to the Ukraine and so far they've managed to sabotage the schemes of their defense minister to do so.

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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:44 am

    What did Russia do in Mariupol that made it work ? 
    The objective was to liberate the city as fast as possible from the Azov scum.
    Therefore the city was completely encircled with the next frontline far away,
    before the big push inside the city limits was started.

    Since last summer the objective is to get the Ukro troops out of the large cities
    into the open (a term which includes smaller settlements). That´s why all the 
    battles in cities and villages since the winter are fought slowly, to give the enemy
    time to bring in reinforcement after reinforcement, see Bakhmut. For that reason
    the cities aren´t fully encircled before the battle starts.

    Compare that to the advancement in the Kupyansk area. There the push is made
    so fast (compared to the south-eastern front) that the enemy has nearly no time
    to bring in more troops. Even if he manages that he has no time to set up a real
    defensive line to stop the assault or turn settlements into "fortresses".

    Zelenskyy’s mother-in-law, owns a VIP estate worth $5 million.
    All mothers-in-law should own such properties.  lol1

    Since Rybar has a tendency to really highlight Russian failures.
    And blame Shoigu and Gerassimov, because they have to micro-manage every single unit
    in the Russian Armed Forces.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:50 am

    They should ceed the micromanagement to some random bloggers who are obviously better qualified to do the war rather than people who are doing the war for some 40 years Laughing

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:51 am

    Godric wrote:Ukraine claiming it's attacked a Airbase near Kursk with a drone swarm, destroying 4 SU 30s, 1 mig 29, 2 Pantsirs and a S-300

    whether it's true or not time will tell as i have only seen it from 1 source so i'm hedging Ukrainian Propaganda

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Twitter published fresh high-resolution satellite images of the Khalino airbase in the Kursk region, which was attacked by Ukrainian drones on the night of August 27. Ukrainian sources on the same day announced hits on four Su-30 aircraft and one MiG-29. Also, allegedly, air defense systems were damaged.

    However, no damage or traces of drone hits were recorded in the pictures, the air base is operating normally. The only thing that can be noted is the extremely high detail of satellite images provided by Western companies.
    https://t.me/intelslava/50856?single

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:01 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:@fire

    You this but there is already growing signs of wearyniess for the war within Russia.

    Yes you feel this way but others don't and the more time passes the more others won't

    Where are the signs? How can I see them?
    Hard to see signs when most people don't give a flying **** of the drone attacks in the first place.

    I do not see weariness from anyone but those who are paid by the West and we know who they are, since they are either in a foreign country or had to open information about their financial support and sources. This unfortunately does not, yet, touch bloggers.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:20 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Stop saying stupid things. I am not German and I know the politics of your country better than you. The German extreme right is overwhelmingly sympathetic to Russia. That Nazi supports a Jewish government that promotes pornography and gender ideology? So he's not a Nazi. He's stupid.
    Likewise. You are right that the Germans are mostly stupid, like everyone else in the West. It is a matter of time for Islam to dominate them and give them a bit of order and conservation.

    You are hardly knowing anything.

    The AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) will face the same fate like any opposition in the West. All right now is talks and in politics some has to proof their words by actions, however, like Merkel said "What once was promised before the elections, must not be the case afterwards."
    Germany is held under iron grip.

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    Post  Begome Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:37 pm

    Backman wrote:Speaking of Mariupol, what about Mariupol ? It wasn't a particularly nasty battle. It wasn't completely destroyed like Solidar or Marinka. 

    What did Russia do in Mariupol that made it work ? They did take the city. And it was fast compared to today's battles.

    What Hole said and especially the part about encirclement: the city wasn't just partially encircled but completely cut off from any reinforcements, i.e. not just manpower but also ammo and fuel. While small arms ammo is easy enough to hide in some chests in a basement, artillery munition and fuel and IFV munition etc. as well as the artillery and IFVs and tanks etc. themselves are not easy to hide, so you can't have huge amounts of undiscovered heavy weapons and munition for them; and if they're discovered, they will be blown up. In these other places you never had the situation where outside resupply or fire mission assistance etc. were impossible.

    And so Mariupol was a relatively small (in terms of the manpower and equipment of the defenders), cut off garrison being taken, which is quite different from these other cases. Though I also suspect that the assessments by some of Wagner's incompetence are true to some degree and that they wrought more destruction on those places than was necessary and pushed to take them faster than was necessary in order to put themselves in the limelight of their own propaganda channels (and associated traitors like Rybar), in order to attain more political capital that could then be used to squeeze more money and privileges from the Russian state.

    Lastly, the destruction in Mariupol was still fairly substantial, so the difference to e.g. Soledar or Artyomovsk is not that huge, though the latter are indeed more damaged.

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    Post  Begome Mon Aug 28, 2023 12:53 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Stop saying stupid things. I am not German and I know the politics of your country better than you. The German extreme right is overwhelmingly sympathetic to Russia. That Nazi supports a Jewish government that promotes pornography and gender ideology? So he's not a Nazi. He's stupid.
    Likewise. You are right that the Germans are mostly stupid, like everyone else in the West. It is a matter of time for Islam to dominate them and give them a bit of order and conservation.
    The German extreme right is not Russophilic lol, you really have no clue...their are split between being Ukronazi supporters and not supporting either side.

    As far as AfD is concerned, there are very few actually Russophilic people there; mostly they just don't want Germany to deindustrialize and be a battering ram, economic and otherwise, of the US against Russia. Not that it matters much, because despite their current high in the polls they are still very far from any actual position of power and influence...this year was the first time that they managed to get any mayors installed at all in the entire country in their 10 years of existence. So they now have 2 mayors and 1 Landrat (sub-regional implementer executive), out of thousands of mayors and almost 300 Landräte...they are purely an opposition party, which was never in any regional government or the federal government, one that is very far from 50% to be able to rule alone and one that doesn't have anyone to form a coalition with, because the other parties band together in a kind of "United Transatlanticist Front"; furthermore the government is trying to just ban the party, which is an increasingly popular tool of the West that has been used in Ukraine and Moldova already...

    And as for Nazis and degeneracy: there is no incompatibility; Nazism and fascism are anti-Christian ideologies just like liberalism and communism; there were quite a few sexual deviants among the Nazis of the "Third Reich" and they absolutely persecuted Christians (search for, e.g. "White Rose").

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:27 pm

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    This morning, several Kalibr missiles were launched at the facilities of a grain elevator in the settlement of Gogolevo (Poltava region).

    According to incoming information, aircraft munitions from the 831st Tactical Aviation Brigade (Mirgorod military aerodrome) were stored within the premises of the facility.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 28, 2023 1:55 pm

    This whole "grain deal" seems more and more as a cover for weapon smuggling, terrorist operations and storage of ammunition in grain warehouses ...

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:39 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This whole "grain deal" seems more and more as a cover for weapon smuggling, terrorist operations and storage of ammunition in grain warehouses ...

    Not to mention facilitating the launch of those pesky naval drones that pops up from nowhere.

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:39 pm

    Belisarius wrote:The only thing that can be noted is the extremely high detail of satellite images provided by Western companies.
    https://t.me/intelslava/50856?single

    CIA images will be of MUCH higher resolution Smile
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    Post  Godric Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:45 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Godric wrote:Ukraine claiming it's attacked a Airbase near Kursk with a drone swarm, destroying 4 SU 30s, 1 mig 29, 2 Pantsirs and a S-300

    whether it's true or not time will tell as i have only seen it from 1 source so i'm hedging Ukrainian Propaganda


    1, Why do you give them the time of day?

    2. Ony 4 Su 30s, 1 mig and some pantstirs? Bah, I heard it all of Russia's airpower west of the Urals, that there are no more sams anywhere in Russia and Russia is now at a negative 5000 in missiles available.  

    pointing out there nonsense/fake news, if you do not combat it, it becomes fact

    the HaHols are desperate for any sort of win even if it's a fake win, the nazi's were very good at that

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:11 pm

    Regarding the Kursk thing: I saw regular UA media talking about it, Twitter propagandists following suit, and eventually videos like the one above.

    Kept a close eye on local Kursk media, TG channels and various city gossip groups on VK etc. People mentioned one (1) minor bang, that turned to be a drone lightly damaging an apartment building on 72 Marx street, with some windows also blown out at an adjacent KGSA university building at Progulochnaya 2.

    That was it, it seemed like. The UA folks kept on going though, all these jets and AD systems destroyed, hugely successful attack. Now, fresh satellite imagery shows no damage to the aerodrome whatsoever. The UA folks are still at it, now accusing Planet Labs of doctoring the imagery...

    I don't even think that your average North Korean is this brainwashed. The closest thing I can think of would be some particularly nutty religious fundamentalist, I guess.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:29 pm

    Also, as I predicted a week or two ago, RU has now withdrawn from most of Rabotino, and is firebagging UA there. As expected.

    It is quite bizarre to read western media relay it as a major tactical victory. They've spent about 3 months, some 45000 KIA/WIA/MIA guys and 1000+ destroyed or damaged vehicles to advance a mere ~10km from no-mans land into a small village still no-mans land. But if they keep on going they just might reach the first Russian fortified line soon. At what price though...

    This is not militarily sound.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:46 pm

    Godric wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Godric wrote:Ukraine claiming it's attacked a Airbase near Kursk with a drone swarm, destroying 4 SU 30s, 1 mig 29, 2 Pantsirs and a S-300

    whether it's true or not time will tell as i have only seen it from 1 source so i'm hedging Ukrainian Propaganda


    1, Why do you give them the time of day?

    2. Ony 4 Su 30s, 1 mig and some pantstirs? Bah, I heard it all of Russia's airpower west of the Urals, that there are no more sams anywhere in Russia and Russia is now at a negative 5000 in missiles available.  

    pointing out there nonsense/fake news, if you do not combat it, it becomes fact

    the HaHols are desperate for any sort of win even if it's a fake win, the nazi's were very good at that

    Not necessarily. Fantasy and reality are two very different things. I can say I have a Jaguar that I drive to the airport every Friday to hop on my own private luxury jet to fly out to the Maldives where I engage in hot and steamy sex with three of the world's most beautiful women all weekend long in my own private beach front vacation home. To be sure, some will believe that story. Nothing I post or do could change their mind that that story wasn't true. They could literally see me walking my dog on the weekend and see my beat up clunker of a car on the road to and from work every day and they'd still come up with their own theory that squares what they see with what I say. Others? They'd ask questions like how does a guy with a beat up junker of a car from the late 90s who owns a house in this neighborhood afford a private jet and a vacation home in the Maldives? Why don't we ever see these amazingly attractive women with him? Why hasn't he been away from this city in 3 years. To which I come up with plausible bull**** that I drive my car which was so deplorable that cash for clunkers rejected it car and live in this area to hide my wealth. As for the seeming lack of plane? Well, its waiting for parts. The girls? They're in college. In addition to being the world's sexiest women, they're also Einstein level geniuses and are currently working on an all encompassing no side effects vaccine. Confident that I was telling the truth, they repeat my bull**** explaonations. Most people, however, will conclude quickly that I am being extremely mendacious.

    In much the same way, when Ukraine says they did something and have the commemorative postage atsmps to prove it some people will blindly accept the fantasy. Others, especially the NAFO mutts and social media influencers and corporate state controlled press will go out of their way to peddle the hilariously outrageous attempts to explain why what I am being told is not matching what I am seeing. Most, however, are starting to say what we have been told is bull****.

    The best way to combat a lie is not to say here is what someone is saying, but to say here is thr latest lie in a long series of lies and here is the photographic and video evidence to prove its a lie. Otherwise, when they are lying just say sure, roll your eyes and don't spread the lie.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:54 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Also, as I predicted a week or two ago, RU has now withdrawn from most of Rabotino, and is firebagging UA there. As expected.

    It is quite bizarre to read western media relay it as a major tactical victory. They've spent about 3 months, some 45000 KIA/WIA/MIA guys and 1000+ destroyed or damaged vehicles to advance a mere ~10km from no-mans land into a small village still no-mans land. But if they keep on going they just might reach the first Russian fortified line soon. At what price though...

    This is not militarily sound.

    Having such victories, defeat is not needed ...
    Laughing

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:32 pm

    I heard Russia still controls like 1/3 of Rabotino.

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    Post  Backman Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:33 pm

    Begome wrote:
    Backman wrote:Speaking of Mariupol, what about Mariupol ? It wasn't a particularly nasty battle. It wasn't completely destroyed like Solidar or Marinka. 

    What did Russia do in Mariupol that made it work ? They did take the city. And it was fast compared to today's battles.

    What Hole said and especially the part about encirclement: the city wasn't just partially encircled but completely cut off from any reinforcements, i.e. not just manpower but also ammo and fuel. While small arms ammo is easy enough to hide in some chests in a basement, artillery munition and fuel and IFV munition etc. as well as the artillery and IFVs and tanks etc. themselves are not easy to hide, so you can't have huge amounts of undiscovered heavy weapons and munition for them; and if they're discovered, they will be blown up. In these other places you never had the situation where outside resupply or fire mission assistance etc. were impossible.

    And so Mariupol was a relatively small (in terms of the manpower and equipment of the defenders), cut off garrison being taken, which is quite different from these other cases. Though I also suspect that the assessments by some of Wagner's incompetence are true to some degree and that they wrought more destruction on those places than was necessary and pushed to take them faster than was necessary in order to put themselves in the limelight of their own propaganda channels (and associated traitors like Rybar), in order to attain more political capital that could then be used to squeeze more money and privileges from the Russian state.

    Lastly, the destruction in Mariupol was still fairly substantial, so the difference to e.g. Soledar or Artyomovsk is not that huge, though the latter are indeed more damaged.

    But if Russia directs enough man power another new city, they should be able to achieve similar results to Mariupol. Use pincers and para troopers to cut off a city.

    I have to disagree that there isn't a huge difference between Soledar and Maripol. Soledar was completely destroyed by heavy artillery. Not even the roads survived. Whole city blocks have no paved road in sight.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:38 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I heard Russia still controls like 1/3 of Rabotino.

    Nonsense, Russia only holds 1/3 of Rzhevsk. The war is lost. Any explosions you hear in Ukraine are celebratory fireworks.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:42 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I heard Russia still controls like 1/3 of Rabotino.

    Nonsense, Russia only holds 1/3 of Rzhevsk.  The war is lost.  Any explosions you hear in Ukraine are celebratory fireworks.

    Yeah, I know most westerners and a lot of people on here (ark) have already written this off as a lost war for Russia.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:07 pm

    Mariupol wasn't depopulated, so the Russians were rather careful. It wasn't subject to heavy artillery barrages and significant aerial attacks. Most buildings still stand there, and while many are damaged, the damage is mostly the result of rather close quarter fighting, eg UA (Azov) ATGM team in an apartment or on a roof getting a tank round to their faces etc.

    I am well aware that western media and various politicians and pundits claim it was "razed to the ground" and whatever, but that is demonstrably false.

    In fact, only a year later now and it's lively as ever, and the repair efforts are going well.

    edit: Ongoing genocide, razed to the ground etc:


    PS love the refurbished retro trams

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:56 pm

    Those trams are donated if I remember because the nazis have used the cars for barricades. Berlin 45 style Laughing
    Old and used, but still much better than it was with nazi rule.

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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:32 pm

    CIA images will be of MUCH higher resolution
    Doesn´t matter. Most of them are so brain damaged that they can´t see the reality.

    nutty religious fundamentalist, I guess.
    They are called Neo-Cons.

    This is not militarily sound.
    But they believe in their superiority.
    Look at what the military geniuses Petraeus and Kagan wrote last week.
    Russian soldiers are poorly trained, equipped and lead. Russian logistics are shitty.
    They are living in a bubble and can´t see the truth.

    I heard Russia still controls like 1/3 of Rabotino.
    They can hit the whole of the town with artillery.

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