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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:23 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Russia does make its own body plates, but not as much as it was needed. It is well documented by Russian sources that part of the body armour for mobilized was bought in China. 
    Mental gymnastics of some people here,  whotry to deny that Russia is buying military supplies from allied countries is mind boggling. They are not much better than Guardian or some other rag in that sense. 
    Russia has a simple goal, that is to win the war. And i hope that it will continue to buy anything that needs to make that goal closer. Anything else will just result in more losses for their own army.

    Whats more, some of China delivered stuff represents a top notch quality, what was proven by accident by Ukro "experts" while trying to make it looking dumb.
    Both Russian and China made plates for body armor proved to be much better than the best Ukrs had, delivered from respected suppliers and the west.
    And keep the mental gym floating, there are some folks here still denying usage of cluster ammo by Russians, even if we can watch it daily basis Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:36 pm

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    Why would Russians use a very advanced rocket on the simple military drones exhibition?

    It is now reported from #Chernigov that there were not one, but two attacks on the city. The first, as we know, hit the building of the regional Drama Theater, where an exhibition of drone pilots was held.

    The second attack was aimed at the headquarters of the Main Intelligence Directorate and the reception of the Counterintelligence Department of the regional department of the SBU.

    So far, 54 people have reportedly died. 3 civilians. The wounded and injured exceeded 89 people.

    11 very badly injured foreigners (officers from Poland and the Baltic States) were taken by air ambulance helicopter to Kiev and from there on board to Poland.

    Senior officers and the general were taken by helicopter to Vinnitsa, where they will decide what to do next. Most likely, some of the senior officers will be lucky enough to fly to Poland and from there to Munich or Düsseldorf.

    In the Chernihiv Drama Theater, a BND employee who was in charge of space communications and encrypted data transmission services, assigned to NATO headquarters in Vilnius, went missing.

    https://yaplakal.com/forum2/st/760/topic2660054.html

    Guessing that in a week or two we will see obituaries if indeed there was a hit on the meeting of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO from Poland and the Baltic States, before making decisions in Kyiv and Warsaw.

    If indeed there was a hit on the GUR/SBU meeting "opposite the theatre", this footage is however not yet published.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:38 pm


    Russia does make its own body plates, but not as much as it was needed

    If this is true, I don't see why Russia wouldn't increase its own production, especially if they have the know how and resources to do so.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:41 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Russia does make its own body plates, but not as much as it was needed

    If this is true, I don't see why Russia wouldn't increase its own production, especially if they have the know how and resources to do so.

    Because they are speculating with no real hard evidence. About as bad as western press.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 20, 2023 2:55 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    If this is true, I don't see why Russia wouldn't increase its own production, especially if they have the know how and resources to do so.
    Because, they needed those body plates asap, and increasing of production takes time. 

    Result of yesterday attack by drone in Novgorod oblast. One Tu-22M3 is destroyed. 

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/13681?single

    Careless majors, I hope the author of these photos is already hanging by the balls?

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:07 pm


    Result of yesterday attack by drone in Novgorod oblast. One Tu-22M3 is destroyed.

    These aircraft are no longer in production, so losing even just one is quite a setback. Perhaps they can resume production of an updated version as a stop gap measure while they are waiting for the PAK DA to become operational.

    Information from telegram suggests that the drone responsible for this attack was launch from inside Russian territory, if so then these sleeper cell saboteurs need to get caught ASAP. IMO life imprisonment in a hard labor camp will not be enough for these Terrorists. Once caught, put them to sleep and then inject them with AIDS, HEPA and Cancer, so in the event that they are exchanged for a prisoner swap in the future, at least their demise is guaranteed.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Because they are speculating with no real hard evidence.  About as bad as western press.
    One example for people with cheaper seats and reading problems:
    Iranian helmets and body armour, photos made by Sasha Kots

    https://t.me/milinfolive/93520?single

    In the Zaporozhye region, mobilized fighters also received Iranian helmets and body armor.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:30 pm

    So a few guys with supposed Iranian gear means Russia uses mostly Chinese?

    The straw grasping is strong.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So a few guys with supposed Iranian gear means Russia uses mostly Chinese?

    The straw grasping is strong.

    Do you have a worse day or something?
    Who said "mostly"?
    They simply do.
    Using external supplies. Buying Chinese stuff. Iranian. Myanmar. Korean.
    Why shouldn't they?
    Every armed force carries a daily basis sourcing, using tenders. Rosgovzakaz it is in Russia. Most of it is open source, you can just check.
    One must be blind to deny the things you can just watch.
    Whatever ... dunno

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:38 pm

    No, because a few token examples isn't much of a basis to rely on, plus I outlined why it's stupid in last page, economically it doesn't make sense when localized production already exists and the money flows within the system, including job creation and material flow.  I'm uncertain why this is extremely hard for people to understand basic economics.

    They aren't getting stuff for free. They are paying for it. So It makes no sense to import what you already make vs what you don't or are actually in short supply of because limitations on the fabrication process (semiconductors).

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    Post  Arrow Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:43 pm

    Result of yesterday attack by drone in Novgorod oblast. One Tu-22M3 is destroyed. wrote:

    This shows how dangerous drones are. Russia has the largest and most modern AD system in the world. Drones, however, can sneak through even such a powerful system. You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon. This is a big loss for Russia.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:00 pm

    sepheronx wrote:No, because a few token examples isn't much of a basis to rely on, plus I outlined why it's stupid in last page, economically it doesn't make sense when localized production already exists and the money flows within the system, including job creation and material flow.  I'm uncertain why this is extremely hard for people to understand basic economics.

    They aren't getting stuff for free. They are paying for it. So It makes no sense to import what you already make vs what you don't or are actually in short supply of because limitations on the fabrication process (semiconductors).
    You do understand that they mobilized 300k people and that their capacity was not enough to produce so much equipment on short notice? It's not too hard to imagine.  
    I applaud this, as it is most logical thing to do. It is certainly much better than sending people without body armour and wearing Ssh-68, like some Donbas militia units did.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:05 pm

    Arrow wrote:This shows how dangerous drones are. Russia has the largest and most modern AD system in the world. Drones, however, can sneak through even such a powerful system. You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon. This is a big loss for Russia.
    Maybe that will make them think harder on building some sort of shelter for planes? This was probably some sort of FPV drone with RPG warhead or quadcopter. Not much AD can do. Even REB doesn't always help.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:06 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    mr_hd wrote:War in any case is lost for Russia.

    What an icking fudiot. Razz

    Even the Western media have already admitted that Ukraine has a world war I level number of amputees, 20,000 to 50,000, when nations were losing 20 to 30 KIA per amputee. Even in the best scenario for Ukraine they already have over 400,000 KIA while Mediazone/BBC couldn't get the names of over 25,000 Russians killed 2 months ago...

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:35 pm

    You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon.

    Iskander is not hypersonic, and the drone used in this attack cannot sink a frigate or an aircraft carrier, the zircon can.

    This is a big loss for Russia.

    No, it's not, these aircraft have already conducted hundreds of missions launching hundreds of missiles, I'm sure that the targets that the Tu22 has already destroyed exceed, in orders of magnitude, the value of a single lost aircraft.
    And with Russia losing 1 of its 66 Tu22M after a year and a half of war, Ukraine will need another 97.5 years to eliminate the rest of the aircraft.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:43 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Russia does make its own body plates, but not as much as it was needed

    If this is true, I don't see why Russia wouldn't increase its own production, especially if they have the know how and resources to do so.

    Resources aren't unlimited.....its not like russia can press a button and raw resources magically falls out of the sky, and they need to produce thousands and thousands upon other things, War consumes an enormous amount of resources daily.

    So Russia just being some stuff from a country so they can focus on other areas isn't hardly anything to be shocked about or think is BS, its a standard thing to do in wartime.

    It also costs time to produce this stuff, and factory space is limited.....I have no idea why the cheerleaders are trying to claim russia doesn't import stuff from allies for the war, when they do.

    The level of denying reality here is insane sometimes
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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:46 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Because they are speculating with no real hard evidence.  About as bad as western press.
    One example for people with cheaper seats and reading problems:
    Iranian helmets and body armour, photos made by Sasha Kots

    https://t.me/milinfolive/93520?single

    In the Zaporozhye region, mobilized fighters also received Iranian helmets and body armor.

    Chinese gear was purchased by individuals too- from plates to ops core helmets and holosuns. NVGs and thermals too. Plenty of TG channels discussing chinese gear and warning about or recommending gear. (it’s hit and miss)
    The gear mismatch is crazier than in 080808 war. Even the camo can be from obscure commercial to Iranian one. No digi EMR to be seen. 
    Now Russia accepted multicam and NATO like uniform and gear so basically, they are adopting NATO standards faster than Ukraine clown 
    But seriously, I can’t think of another mobilisation wave and their gear, hopefully it will go smooth and all is needed will be ready


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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:46 pm

    War in any case is lost for Russia.
    So even after the russian victory she will have lost.  scratch
    Biden level of stupidity.

    You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon.
    Only if you are neighboring Russia and your people look the same a Russians (because they are).
    If Russia would fight a war against some african or arabic state I doubt that they could manage to
    bring a drone into Russia.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:07 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    A powerful explosion occurred in the forensic center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Kyiv, the cause of which was the detonation of ammunition. The experts cut the warhead of the R-27 rocket with a grinder and hit it with a hammer, causing it to detonate.


    You've got to be kidding me! Even the biggest moron would know better than to hit a warhead with a hammer, let alone cut it off with a friggin grinder LMFHO! Wow.

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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:10 pm

    Russia does make its own body plates, but not as much as it was needed. It is well documented by Russian sources that part of the body armour for mobilized was bought in China. 
    Mental gymnastics of some people here,  whotry to deny that Russia is buying military supplies from allied countries is mind boggling. They are not much better than Guardian or some other rag in that sense. 
    Russia has a simple goal, that is to win the war. And i hope that it will continue to buy anything that needs to make that goal closer. Anything else will just result in more losses for their own army.
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    I hope you are right. I have heard rumors in the pro Z side that they aren't impressed with how much help China is giving. Nor have I seen all these alleged pictures of ammo and gear with Chinese writing on it. I haven't seen it even once actually. Presumably if there was all this gear with Chinese writing on it, it would be beamed out into the intl media too. I haven't seen that either. So again, I hope you're right. I personally have seen zero evidence of it.


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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:18 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    This shows how dangerous drones are. Russia has the largest and most modern AD system in the world. Drones, however, can sneak through even such a powerful system. You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon. This is a big loss for Russia.

    Aircraft are lost in war. Also in training. We are talking about 1 aircraft and no pilots. It is not a big loss.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:30 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arrow wrote:This shows how dangerous drones are. Russia has the largest and most modern AD system in the world. Drones, however, can sneak through even such a powerful system. You don't need sophisticated hypersonic missiles like Iskander or Cirkon. This is a big loss for Russia.
    Maybe that will make them think harder on building some sort of shelter for planes? This was probably some sort of FPV drone with RPG warhead or quadcopter. Not much AD can do. Even REB doesn't always help.

    Russians building shelters for planes?

    Don't be silly, everyone knows that open air is the best protection for planes

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:32 pm

    An impressive hedge line or trench bang. The UA should consider issuing parachutes.

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:07 pm

    -Luna 25 lander got fucked up.
    -Tu-22m3 bomber got hit.
    -still have Ukrainian drones and missiles hit Russian cities.
    Geez what a shitty week for Russia. I hope the 42 F-16s are convincing enough for Russia to launch an offensive once they get to Ukraine. Because I doubt Russia will enjoy having 42 of these aircrafts throw cruise missiles into Moscow which might be the final straw.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:15 pm


    Geez what a shitty week for Russia. I hope the 42 F-16s are convincing enough for Russia to launch an offensive once they get to Ukraine. Because I doubt Russia will enjoy having 42 of these aircrafts throw cruise missiles into Moscow which might be the final straw.

    I have already floated the idea way back last year of a specialized Geran-100 heavy drone to lob FOAB-M3 bombs across all major Ukrainian cities. Do I need to send an Email to Russia's Defence Ministry to be heard?

    Also, why is their website not accessible here in Canada??

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