Ukraine has every right to attack the bridge, they do not need to hide it. Russians use it to move troops and material which makes it a legit target,
In that case every bridge in Europe and the US and G7 country is fair game I guess, whether it is moving troops or training troops or storing ammo or producing ammo...
This is going to get fun hearing the whining from the west about how it isn't fair that when they escalate that Russia responds.
Russia's leadership needs to grow some balls and stop acting like a limp dicked cuck.
And that is why most countries get played by the west.
Damaging Kiev and killing more Ukrainians wont stop their masters in the UK and US from planning missions against Russian targets... over reacting will turn people against Russia, though I think the grain deal went on too long considering only one side was actually following the deal.
I rather suspect Russia wants to wait till winter before hitting the west with proper retaliation for sanctions, but in the mean time they are going about seizing their own ports and property and resources from foreign "investors" that have been milking money out of Russia for almost 3 decades... which on its own makes this conflict worth while.
The Russian owner of one of their ports was sending the 23 million dollars per year to the US to his American granddaughters and not investing in the port which was not in a good state. That has been sorted out and those young ladies will need to get their money from somewhere else now...
Just one example.
People ignore the fact that the weapons aid costs the USA virtually nothing.
Not true at all... they need those weapon stores to fight wars and the weapons EU countries sent the US has promised to replace with new weapons... So Poland sending MiG-29s and T-72s and Mi-17s is expecting F-16s and M1 Abrams tanks and Blackhawks to arrive eventually...
But if they spent that money in the USA it would just cause more inflation and there are no people willing to do the work to fix stuff at a reasonable price anyway.
The infrastructure in the US is out of date and falling apart... see how often trains are crashing... the US dollar is going to crash as countries find other methods and currencies to trade with and when it does then their money will be worthless... and if it is worthless and your infrastructure needs to be rebuilt you wont be able to pay for it with your monopoly money.
So Ukraine is within its right to take the entire thing down if they could.
Ukraine is not a country and has no rights, and they couldn't take it all down if they tried and they are trying.
I am looking forward to see how Russia responds... last time it was power cuts... this time hopefully it will be more targeted at HATO assets and resources in Ukraine.
Instead of killing some mobilized grunts, Russia needs to start an assassination campaign of openly Rusophobic leadership of Ukraine
Have to say I agree... the current regime in Kiev are not capable of negotiations and nor are they interested, so time for a team change... but I also think this attack was planned by the west so hitting the US embassy should be a priority too... take out the US government running Ukraine will weaken their interest in the country at the very least.
Russia should bring back the NKVD style kill chain for these UkroNazi leaderships and their friends, family, and relatives. Russia needs to instill uncanny fear in the enemy's leadership like the ruthless Soviet NKVD did.
When Russia starts acting like nazis or Americans or Brits then they have already lost... might as well start throwing nukes.
That's good, but Russia also needs to target NATO members who are actively colluding with the UkroNazi regime to conduct terrorist attacks inside Russia.
That is a different conflict, but they are also acting in that regard, with British and western owners of companies and resources in Russia losing ownership as their assets and businesses are gradually nationalised. Wood supplies to the west, not to mention other cheap resources they used to send have stopped... leading some EU countries to cry about WTO rules being broken... it is very funny really... but the west ignored Russian concerns before the conflict started and threw them in Putins face, well now migrants are heading for Europe from all sorts of places including the Ukraine and they can't afford it...
Russia shouldn't stand still and ignore these criminal nations that are openly cheering for the death and destruction of the Russian people. If it were India, we'd have already bombed Riga to teach them a good lesson.
It is enough to know who is who and what is what... there is no urgency or time limit on revenge... just bombing Riga would allow HATO to nuke part of Russia claiming article 5 in HATO rules allows them to defend each other... such a thing does not suit Russia because its future is looking brighter all the time... unlike the future of the west as it eats itself. WWIII would be an easy escape for the west... they can blame Russia for everything...
Is Wagner still part of this topic? Or should it be in another thread?
Their attempted insurrection has its own thread... you can leave this here as it pertains to a potential force in Belarus for a second front if needed...
Putin did have a meeting with his security council right after this happened so I know there is going to be a lot of unpleasantries in Ukraine's very near future. Just sit back and relax, Putin knows what he is doing.
Plus just blundering and blowing more things up in the Ukraine is exactly what Kiev wants... ooh Russians are monsters wanting to kill you all while we heroically defend ourselves...
If Russia was even nearly as audacious as Ukraine has been since 2014, the western outrage would go through the roof. I get it why people are frustrated by Putins' adherence to certain principles when none of that courtesy is returned, but yeah.
A knee jerk instant response attack would most likely not target the people responsible and lead to blow back against Russia.
All of us knew the grain deal was just another terror attack waiting to happen. Putin and the natl security council had to know too. They aren't stupid. But they kept the deal going for cold calculated reasons. The US was basically openly bragging about using underwater drones months back. They totally knew. But their cold calculations mattered more to them.
Terrorist attacks are all that can be expected from the Ukraine because they are out of their league and they know they would lose a strictly fair fight... not that anyone actually fights fair anyway.
Putin knows Kiev might try to kill him too... he knows they will try all sorts of shit against anyone they can get... all they can do is be alert and vigilant and thwart them every chance they get. Kiev has launched dozens of drone attacks on the Crimea and apart from a few planes and temporary damage to a bridge they really have nothing to show... which is pretty amusing considering they have the planning and material support of the British SBS and SAS and the all powerful US navy seals and all those other nazi loving faggots. Seems they are only any good in western documentaries and movies.
If it was that would mean it was an own goal that killed them... the Russians would not waste S-300s in the ground to ground role... they simply don't need to.
they had to do that anyway due to shelf life
They are effectively having to go to a war footing production level to replace their own depleted stores of ammo and weapons, but also the depleted stores of weapons and ammo for its HATO allies which is going to be expensive because an F-16 replacing a MiG-29, not to mention a Blackhawk as a Hip replacement, and also Bradleys replacing BMP-2s and BMP-1s and Abrams replacing T-72s... the difference in price is eye watering... not to mention all the ammo and spare parts they will need for these new vehicles in their inventories... plus they have to refill their own stocks at a time with inflation and supply problems of their own.
I don't really consider the Crimean bridge attack an act of terror. Its an infrastructure target.
Well lots of infrastructure in Ukraine has been intentionally left alone so far, but blowing up bridges and killing civilians is natural for western countries so we don't really understand... Russia was not using the road bridge to supply weapons and ammo and troops to the Crimea... most is already there and was shipped or flown in before the bridge was even built.
I think the Russians have stopped caring about what the west thinks is right and wrong... at the start of the conflict the western officials were claiming the us of cluster munitions is a war crime and so far only Kiev has used them that I have seen... they used cluster munition armed Tochkas to hit civilians lining up to blame the Russians is a clear provocation that didn't work because you could tell from which direction the Ukrainian missile was fired... not to mention the Russians didn't use tochkas in the Ukraine though they did send some old missiles to Belarus.
Well now cluster munitions are OK... both because the west are running out of conventional shells, but also because they are probably realising their proxy forces are losing so they are not going to have to clean up anything anyway.... hense DU and cluster munitions...
1. Hinder logistics 2. tie up Russian resources to protect it. 3. Make Russia supply chains less efficient. 4. Of course propaganda is always a plus. There was never any prospect this attack was gonna kill a large number of people, so I doubt that was really the goal.
Then it failed on count 1... why on earth would Russia send material down into the Crimea to attack Ukrainian troops that are miles away from the Crimea?
Russian resources are protecting all sorts of things anyway.
The resources used to fix the bridge wont effect delivery of weapons and ammo and troops to the front line... their supply chains didn't rely on the road or rail component and the rail component is still running just fine.
In terms of propaganda, the effect is ruined when it is quickly back up and running despite enormous effort needed to achieve the attack.
Since when is using a ship posing as a civilian vessel illegal. This has long been done in naval warfare. I am not on Ukraines side, but whining about being hit by them honestly sounds very much like their whining
Pretending to be neutral shipping till mounting a surprise attack is what Pirates did and they used to be hung for that.
Banning all non Russian shipping from within 500km of Crimea and its bridge might be the solution, where ships violating the danger zone can be sunk...
Perhaps a command center or decision making center or port infrastructure or electricity grid or large ammo depot should go up in flames tonight.
Not tonight, but in a week or so... personally I think the number of Americans at the American embassy is too high and that thinning their number would benefit the Ukraine as well as Russia.
Certainly the current regime in Kiev cannot be negotiated with so eliminating them might be useful, but I would wait till their army collapses and Russian forces can advance to close off the Black Sea...
Putin's pussyfooting so far has only emboldened Nazi terrorism.
Funny the people who say that haven't really done as much as he has to deal with the problem of Nazism...
1. The bridge is a 100 percent military target to say it isn't makes you a moron.
There is almost zero military traffic on the road component of the bridge... it would be fucking stupid to mount an attack on the Ukraines forces by sending it all through the Crimean peninsula when they can use roads on the mainland to go rather more directly.
2. Using civilian as ships in military operations isn't even banned in Russia and while Russia is a party of the convention, they don't adhere to it fully either, so trying to say this is a crime is also idiocy and yes the Russians do regularly use the bridge to move military supplies.
In military terms using civilian vessels sailing an open grain corridor that Kiev promised not to use for military purposes as part of that grain deal means Russia should start sinking all civilian ships in Ukrainian ports or sailing towards the Crimean peninsula...
A missile attack in Charkov two days ago hit strong enough to make specialized airborne medevac planes flying, and Luftwaffe Airbus landing in Rzeszow at randez vous. The scheme repeats itself each time when some big fish gets hit, but only the most important ones are transferred to the biggest NATO hospital in Germany. Soo looks that some three star or more NATO staff was at the receiver's end.
Then they should follow through and shoot those planes down too.
Finish the job as you work... don't leave them to come back later and by doing the job properly replacements will become harder to drum up for the other side.
2) So you're saying it is perfectly legal to build torpedo launchers in the lower hull of a civilian ship ? Or use civilian ships to deploy underwater drones ?
By definition a ship that carries attack drones and weapons is not a civilian ship.
Russia has used cluster bombs before Ukraine for example even tho like 99 percent of countries don't use em, Russia adhere to some rules and ignores others like all countries
Kiev claims Russia used them but there is no evidence they did apart from that coming from Kiev sources, which have no credibility at all. Evidence of the Ukraine using such weapons is abundant including their own schemes to blame Russia for using cluster munitions which turned out could only be fired by the orcs side.
The best interceptors of inexpensive Russia-launched suicide drones are 70mm laser-guided rockets (surface-to-air variants of air-to-surface rockets of the type produced by the US, UK, Israel, Belgium & Turkey).
Any evidence or just a claim, like the claim HIMARS and Javelin will destroy the Russian forces and win the war...