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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:17 pm

    Even threats and bribes from the EU don't hold the power they used to.

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    Diplomats disagree on statement on Ukraine following EU summit - Community of Latin American and Caribbean States ( CELAC )

    The EU wants the statement "in the strongest possible terms" to condemn the "ongoing war against Ukraine" and "Russian aggression" and demand "the complete and unconditional withdrawal of Russian troops," according to a draft seen by Bloomberg. However, countries in Latin America and the Caribbean prefer to "express concern" about the conflict and support efforts for an immediate cessation of hostilities, the document says.

    A key goal for Europe at the summit is to seek greater support for Ukraine, reduce China's influence, and ensure access to critical raw materials for the digital and green transition.

    To this end, the EU proposes to invest more than 45 billion euros in Latin America and the Caribbean until 2027, said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen. Funding will come from EU funds, contributions from Member States, development banks and the private sector.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:15 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia doesn't have the balls for WW3, they don't even have the balls to exterminate some shithead nobodies nextdoor

    Funny, to hear that from you. Must have been the one Serbian guy that fucked up all of Americans in '99.

    You surely do not know what you are talking about on top of the fact that Except of the US and globalists NO ONE wants WW3.
    Being Serbian you should be the last one to want WW3 because you are all alone surrounded by Piranhas. They will tear you even further apart. Your Vuvic is killing your Serbian army but at the same time sweet talks you. Don't tell me anything about Pussyfooting when Serbia today is the entire C*U*N*T and spineless.

    Awwww, look at this Balkans geopolitical expertise over here, how cute

    We got more firepower than at any point in our history and for the first time our population (especially young generations) knows that in war enemies are supposed to be exterminated not coddled

    So don't you worry yourself about us and piranhas, the moment piranhas' owner is distracted in any way they are going on the BBQ


    What I want to know is what the hell are you doing on this forum, you filthy traitor to your own nation?

    Did you even check which side your country is on in this war?

    And how is the struggle against those gay Jews that you claim are oppressing you going? I ain't seeing anything on the news so I'll just chalk it up to you still lovingly munching on that juicy Semitic cock, you two faced hypocrite




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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:27 pm

    Papadragon I am getting tired of your venom. Stating the obvious that all of us feel as if your anger is not shared. Russia doesnt want ww3. The west is essentially threatening to take it to that level with their provocations because they know their regime is existentially threatened. These are dangerous times.

    I'm sorry for the position your nation is in, man. You seem like a good guy, but come on. You arent alone in how you feel and think. Thqt said these are complex and dangerous geopolitical games.

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    Post  Godric Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:34 pm

    Russia needs to start hitting all SBU offices in Ukraine all the bridges in Kiev and other western Ukrainian cities like Ivano Frankivsk,

    The UK has military bases on Cyprus that could be hit, the locals want them out and in the UN Russia should back Spain's claim to Gibraltar and Argentina's claim to the Malvinas/Falklands, cut off gas supplies to the UK, cut off supply of Uranium to America and UK as well as cutting off ties with NASA and the space station and if possible decouple the Russian segments of the space station

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:46 pm

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (17 July 2023)

    ▫The AFU continued unsuccessful attempts at offensive actions in Donetsk and Krasny Liman directions.

    ▫In Donetsk direction, as a result of actions by units of the Yug Group of Forces, 13 enemy attacks have been successfully repelled close to Berestovoye, Belogorovka, Kurdyumovka, Pervomaiskoye and Maryinka DPR.

    ▫Ammunition depots of the Liman Operational-Tactical Group, the 53rd Mechanised Brigade and the 25th Airborne Brigade of the AFU have been destroyed close to Novoyegorovka LPR, Kramatorsk and Vodyanoye DPR.

    ▫The enemy losses were up to 320 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 3 motor vehicles, 1 U.S.-manufactured M777 artillery system, 1 Polish-manufactured Krab self-propelled artillery system, 1 Msta-B howitzer, 2 Rapira anti-tank guns, and 1 U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar station.

    ▫In Krasny Liman direction, units of the Tsentr Group of Forces launched attacks on AFU units near Chervonopopovka LPR, Terny, Yampolovka and Grigorovka DPR.

    ▫2 enemy attacks have been repelled close to Chervonaya Dibrova and Karmazinovka LPR.

    ▫The activities of 2 SRG have been disrupted close to Novomikhailovka DPR and Chervonaya Dibrova LPR.

    ▫The enemy losses were up to 60 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 4 motor vehicles, 1 U.S.-manufactured M777 artillery system, and 1 D-30 howitzer.

    ▫In South Donetsk direction, as a result of actions by the Vostok Group of Forces, AFU manpower and hardware have been defeated close to Urozhaynoye and Levadnoye (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫In Zaporozhye direction, as a result of coordinated actions by Russian troops, enemy manpower and hardware concentration areas have been hit close to Marfopol, Novosyolovka, Shcherbaki and Pyatikhatki (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫In addition, the actions of 1 SRG have been disrupted close to Charivnoye (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫The enemy losses were up to 240 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 motor vehicles, 1 U.S.-manufactured M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, 3 Msta-B howitzers, 1 Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system, and 1 D-30 howitzer.

    ▫1 ammunition depot of the AFU 33th Mechanised Brigade has been destroyed near Malaya Tokmachka (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫In Kupyansk direction, as a result of action by units of the Zapad Group of Forces, AFU units have been hit close to Novosyolovskoye and Stelmakhovka LPR, Sinkovka and Ivanovka (Kharkov region).

    ▫The enemy losses were up to 35 servicemen, 4 AFVs, 2 motor vehicles, 1 D-20 howitzer, and 1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.

    ▫In Kherson direction, the enemy losses were up to 40 servicemen, 8 motor vehicles, 1 Verba multiple-launch rocket system and 1 Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system.

    ▫Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 73 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and hardware in 68 areas.

    ▫1 fuel depot for the military hardware of the Liman Operational-Tactical Group has been destroyed near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ▫Air defence facilities have intercepted 3 Storm Shadow cruise missiles and 3 HIMARS multiple-launch rocket system projectiles.

    ▫In addition, 19 UAVs have been destroyed close to Zaliman, Ploshchanka, Shipilovka LPT, Vodyanoye, Nikolskoye DPR, Removka, Lyubimovka (Zaporozhye region) and Korsunka (Kherson region).

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:06 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Papadragon I am getting tired of your venom. Stating the obvious that all of us feel as if your anger is not shared. Russia doesnt want ww3. The west is essentially threatening to take it to that level with their provocations because they know their regime is existentially threatened. These are dangerous times.

    I'm sorry for the position your nation is in, man. You seem like a good guy, but come on. You arent alone in how you feel and think. Thqt said these are complex and dangerous geopolitical games.

    It's not about WW3, venom, nation position or whatever

    It's about that dickbag throwing around personal insults

    He asked, he received

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:22 pm

    My bad for sticking my foot in a debate

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:55 pm

    failed Ukrainian push with western armored vehicles in Zaporozhye region



    RF MSTA-S shells ukrainian forces in the Kupyansk Region

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:14 pm

    What happened to the Russian red line?After so many attacks inside the territory of Russia, Russia has yet to make any retaliatory strikes to put an end to this. Whatever you say, Putin is a coward. 

    This is what we did inside Pakistan in retaliation for the Pulwama terror attack.



    I don't have to say that Pakistan is a nuclear-armed country. In fact, they have more tactical nukes than we do, and yet we didn't flinch to send them a strong message that we don't tolerate any attack, be it as proxy terrorist sabotage.

    If any nation on earth dared to destroy any major bridge inside India, then rest assured that all of their bridges would be destroyed one after another as a proper retaliation.

    Russia is still downplaying all these attacks against strategic objects inside its own territory, which will surely encourage more such attacks in the future. You have to stand up to bullies, otherwise, bullying would never stop. Russia's leadership needs to grow some balls and stop acting like a limp dicked cuck.

    Why not destroy at least one major bridge inside each of these Baltic Chihuahua nations, including Poorland, as a strong retaliatory measure. Give them a strong message and call them out on their bluff. After all, they're one of the most vocal cheerleaders for any attack inside Russian territory.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Your country is sending billions of dollars to the Ukraine and most of its old obsolete equipment and most of its ammo it had stored around the world too... but no money for healthcare or education or infrastructure...


    People ignore the fact that the weapons aid costs the USA virtually nothing. This is stuff they already had in storage. 2000 Bradlys in storage, surplus M777s ammo approaching or past expiry date. The money they send to prop up Ukraine does cost. But if they spent that money in the USA it would just cause more inflation and there are no people willing to do the work to fix stuff at a reasonable price anyway.
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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:36 pm

    costs the USA virtually nothing. 
    Now they have to replace the stuff they send. For 10 times the price of the old stuff.

    What happened to the Russian red line?
    Because of broken red lines we´re approaching 500.000 dead Ukros.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:40 pm

    Um first off you cannot claim a red line on a legit military target, that's like saying "it's a redline if you destroy our tanks" Yes kiddos the bridge is 100 percent a LEGITIMATE MILITARY TARGET, as the Russians use it for troops and supplies and contrary to what the Russians claim this isn't an "SMO" but a war. So Ukraine is within its right to take the entire thing down if they could.

    Also No its not a "Terrorist" attack either its complete and utter idiocy to compare the two you cannot terror attack a legit military target, it's the Russians fault for taking so long, and giving Ukraine the chance, not Ukraine's for doing it

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:59 pm

    Instead of killing some mobilized grunts, Russia needs to start an assassination campaign of openly Rusophobic leadership of Ukraine ( Budanov, Syrski, Danilov, etc). Even, when this war is over, liquidations need to continue in Ukraine or abroad, until all Rusophobes among Ukrainians are exterminated.
    When it comes to fighting strategy against these elements, Medvedev is on point.

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:31 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Instead of killing some mobilized grunts, Russia needs to start an assassination campaign of openly Rusophobic leadership of Ukraine ( Budanov, Syrski, Danilov, etc). Even, when this war is over,  liquidations need to continue in Ukraine or abroad, until all Rusophobes among Ukrainians are exterminated.
    When it comes to fighting strategy against these elements, Medvedev  is on point.



    Russia should bring back the NKVD style kill chain for these UkroNazi leaderships and their friends, family, and relatives. Russia needs to instill uncanny fear in the enemy's leadership like the ruthless Soviet NKVD did.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:34 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Instead of killing some mobilized grunts, Russia needs to start an assassination campaign of openly Rusophobic leadership of Ukraine ( Budanov, Syrski, Danilov, etc). Even, when this war is over,  liquidations need to continue in Ukraine or abroad, until all Rusophobes among Ukrainians are exterminated.
    When it comes to fighting strategy against these elements, Medvedev  is on point.

    They need to do both and do it as hard as possible


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:40 pm

    The bridge attack is an attack of opportunity only - as the Ukrainians will no longer have the opportunity to stage such attacks with a de facto embargo imposed on Odessa

    The damage is low, this can be fixed and traffic resumed within 2-3 months

    These attacks will no longer be possible- due to the closing of the naval corridors from where civilian transport ships are unloading the drones which are targeting Crimea

    The surge of Abascal, AFD, Le Pen, and Meloni are directly tied to these developments

    Germany is in recession, unable to restart its production, oil and gas prices are suffocating Europe, and now grain prices surge , portending even greater swings to the right which correlate to economic damage sustained

    As grain prices surge, more far right victories sweep Europe

    It's calculated damage with inversely related political consequences

    In response, I would maintain defensive posture, but continue the SMO with peacetime manpower

    Develop the kupyansk offensive, and seize other opportunities as they present themselves -

    Continue to bolster Belarus with Wagner manpower and plausible deniability - after all there's no way to know whether Prigozhin has the iskander launch codes, after all he is as powerful as Putin , according to western information narratives

    And that line should be maintained by the Russian infosphere , it's good to have such a person possessing tactical nuclear launch codes

    As for Ukraine, the problem is compounding, they are losing Kharkov kilometer by kilometer

    It was better for Russia to cede Liman, Oskol, and Kupyansk , saving manpower and killing Ukrainians, and now as Ukrainian manpower is low across the front, Russia can take the land back with minimal losses

    That's the point of tactical withdrawals and preservation of manpower in a conflict during peacetime, ergo war should not be declared, it's just not necessary





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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:41 pm


    Because of broken red lines we´re approaching 500.000 dead Ukros.

    That's good, but Russia also needs to target NATO members who are actively colluding with the UkroNazi regime to conduct terrorist attacks inside Russia.

    Russia shouldn't stand still and ignore these criminal nations that are openly cheering for the death and destruction of the Russian people. If it were India, we'd have already bombed Riga to teach them a good lesson.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:13 pm

    Is Wagner still part of this topic? Or should it be in another thread?

    Wagner and its massive logistics on the move.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:40 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:What happened to the Russian red line?After so many attacks inside the territory of Russia, Russia has yet to make any retaliatory strikes to put an end to this. Whatever you say, Putin is a coward. 

    This is what we did inside Pakistan in retaliation for the Pulwama terror attack.



    I don't have to say that Pakistan is a nuclear-armed country. In fact, they have more tactical nukes than we do, and yet we didn't flinch to send them a strong message that we don't tolerate any attack, be it as proxy terrorist sabotage.

    If any nation on earth dared to destroy any major bridge inside India, then rest assured that all of their bridges would be destroyed one after another as a proper retaliation.

    Russia is still downplaying all these attacks against strategic objects inside its own territory, which will surely encourage more such attacks in the future. You have to stand up to bullies, otherwise, bullying would never stop. Russia's leadership needs to grow some balls and stop acting like a limp dicked cuck.

    Why not destroy at least one major bridge inside each of these Baltic Chihuahua nations, including Poorland, as a strong retaliatory measure. Give them a strong message and call them out on their bluff. After all, they're one of the most vocal cheerleaders for any attack inside Russian territory.

    The latest attack on the bridge and Russia not making any retaliatory strikes just yet does not make Putin a coward. The trains -the most effective way of shipping supplies and arms- still run. The pylons were not damaged. The bridge will be fully operational in a couple days. Putin did cancel the grain deal. That may seem small to you, but that basically means every ship in Odessa is now a legitimate target, it means he can close off the Black Sea to non black sea nations. It gives him a way to cause anger by the global south at the US because everyone would understand that he has no choice and it causes even more seething rage against Biden's "world" and Borrell's "garden."

    Second, why should Putin risk nuclear war over a bridge that will be back up and running in a week. Look, the bridge sells postage stamps. However, everyone knows its a face saving stunt by Ukraine. Putin did have a meeting with his security council right after this happened so I know there is going to be a lot of unpleasantries in Ukraine's very near future. Just sit back and relax, Putin knows what he is doing.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:45 pm

    Car traffic over the bridge is expected be resumed today. Trains are running (and with them, military logistics remain uninterrupted).

    Full repair and the resumption of two-lane traffic will take 2-3 weeks at a minimum, a month and a half tops.

    IMHO, due to the suicide bombing last year, they are well-rehearsed. They'll whip up a replacement section and have it on site in no time. Maybe they already have one ready, and the floating cranes on standby in Kerch.

    While this hiccup is felt, lots of traffic has been redirected over the "land bridge" (across Kherson and the DNR), and the legacy ferry service was almost instantly re-started as well. So yeah, it's a mere hiccup.

    Putin said just now that some retaliation is on its way, anyway.

    edit: Hope the manner in which these presumed submersibles got there gets unearthed soon. I betcha they were dropped off by a civilian-flagged ship somewhere quite nearby. There are like a hundred of them in the vicinity at any given time. Gotta be breaking all sorts of maritime and international law to hide in that fashion when conducting military, kinetic operations.

    Not new to Ukraine though, of course. And the west just pretends they aren't seeing anything. Much like the SVBIED last year, which not only ticks all the boxes characterizing an ISIS-style terror attack, it was arguably even worse as the Azerbaijani driver was unsuspecting. Tricked by the SBU.

    If Russia was even nearly as audacious as Ukraine has been since 2014, the western outrage would go through the roof. I get it why people are frustrated by Putins' adherence to certain principles when none of that courtesy is returned, but yeah.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:07 pm

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    At 17:00 Moscow time, not a single vessel was recorded off the coast of Ukraine and in nearby waters.
    Russia closed the grain deal. Ukraine actually lost access to the Black Sea

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    On the western border of Ukraine, an unhealthy movement of transport aircraft continues , which, apparently, is the removal of wounded mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

    Less than an hour ago, a Ukrainian An-12 from Uzhhorod was spotted in the airspace of Slovakia

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    Last night in Kharkiv, two S-300 missiles hit the dormitory of the Law Academy of Yaroslav the Wise (Dinamovskaya St., 4).
    The facility was a temporary accommodation for foreign mercenaries. Immediately after the strikes, several ambulances arrived on the territory of the building.
    There is information that up to 30 mercenaries were liquidated and wounded

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:12 pm

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    This graphic is an elementary representation of where the civilian ships could have staged for launch of the drones

    It is illegal to use civilian infrastructure to deploy these drones

    That's why the grain deal had to be canceled

    They'd keep staging terrorist attacks from civilian tankers

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:25 pm

    The picture says it all. Ukraines increase in defence spending Vs. Russians increase. Oh I wonder who has loads of ammo in storage  lol!  

    A few key important parts from the article below

    1) Ukraine’s urgent need for supplies lays bare Europe’s defence industry
    War has spurred policymakers and companies into action but production will take years to match demand


    2) Industry executives say that despite national pledges to increase defence spending — it hit an all-time high of $2.24tn globally last year — and new procurement initiatives by both Nato and the EU, progress has been slow. 

    3) European industry is “more or less still facing the same challenges and roadblocks” some 16 months since the war started, according to Jan Pie, secretary-general of regional trade body ASD. 

    4) While the situation is very urgent in Ukraine, European countries are “still operating by peacetime processes”, he said.

    5) Efforts to move production lines to a war footing have also been frustrated by supply chain problems and fragmented policymaking.

    6) There are also concerns that procurement decisions in favour of the US will undermine any European plans to bolster its industrial base.


    7) The war may have spurred Europe’s policymakers and companies into action but the reality is that production will take years to match the sudden jump in demand. Industry also needs to persuade governments that defence is not just an insurance policy at times of war. 

    8 ) When the cold war ended, the result was “shrinking defence budgets, shrinking orders and a reduction in force structure and a much smaller home market”, said Bastian Giegerich, director of defence and military analysis at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. 

    9) “That is what companies will have in mind — the threat environment had changed and EU armies turned themselves into contributors to non-essential crisis management missions around the world. It is no surprise that they are now thinking, should this war end, will we see the same thing happen?”

    https://www.ft.com/content/ea1acc89-f463-4328-82af-b0a720bd2f9c


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    Post  Backman Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:30 pm

    First off, this was the US and Turkey full stop. Not Ukraine. It is important to distinguish that. This was a US govt terror attack on Russian civil infrastructure.

    Second, the bridge has not been used for military logistics for a long time. There seems to be a lot of retards who say it is a logical attack. It really isn't, if you are trying to take out military logistics. This was purely a propaganda attack , like usual. The fucking rail line was the only thing used for military in the past and it is still working. The attack is designed to keep the western public interested in the war.

    Third, the spans of the bridge are designed to collapse like this so that they don't cause a chain reaction to other spans. And so that no pillars are over loaded.

    Forth. This was done on the literal day that the grain deal was going to expire or get renewed. The Ukraine economy was benefiting from the grain deal. Russia's was too. The US does stuff like this just to cause more economic damage to Ukraine, to perpetuate pain, chaos, death and hardship to the region and the world.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:36 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    This graphic is an elementary representation of where the civilian ships could have staged for launch of the drones

    It is illegal to use civilian infrastructure to deploy these drones

    That's why the grain deal had to be canceled

    They'd keep staging terrorist attacks from civilian tankers

    All of us knew the grain deal was just another terror attack waiting to happen. Putin and the natl security council had to know too. They aren't stupid. But they kept the deal going for cold calculated reasons. The US was basically openly bragging about using underwater drones months back. They totally knew. But their cold calculations mattered more to them.

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