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    UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News #3

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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:50 am

    Do you even understand what a suicide drone is? 
    Do you even understand that the big thing in the pic is the carrier for the smaller FPV suicide drones?


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    The pic is from December last year.  Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:14 pm

    Do you even understand what a suicide drone is? Its not supposed to look down on the battlefield its supposed to look forward, up and down. Why does the lancet have a puller prop then

    Looking at the engine I would say it would sound like a lawn mower and could be heard from a great distance so flying very low wont make it safe.

    Its flight range of 200km suggests it might be quite a bit faster than most other drones of this type but still relatively small motor would mean small IR signature compared with a turbojet engine.

    Flying at 4km altitude would make it totally safe from small arms fire and MANPADS because it is unlikely MANPADS could get a lock on such a target from such a distance and the effectiveness of small arms fire from 4km vertically below would be close to zero... from such an altitude it would have an excellent view of the battlefield as it passes meaning targets of opportunity could be spotted on the way that other drones might be sent to deal with, plus like most aircraft this platform will fly with a slightly nose up flight profile making belly mounted optics would be rather better than nose mounted optics.

    Recon drones often have both with small fixed forward looking cameras for takeoff and flight, with panoramic cameras on the belly for finding targets and monitoring the ground waiting for the best time to strike.

    A flight range of 200km means this drone could be used to loiter above enemy forces for rather long periods of time and targets it spots could be engaged with shorter ranged suicide drones while this drone operates at an altitude where it might not even be noticed.

    If a high priority target is spotted or a target that requires a warhead the size this drone carries then it might be used to engage, but much of the time I would expect this drone could loiter over the front line for long periods at a time collecting useful target information.

    As Hole points out, this drone carries suicide drones too, which makes it a mothership drone, which would take advantage of its size and range... the core problem with drones is that a drone that spots targets is great but how long does it take to get a suicide drone to the targets you find to kill it?

    It does not help if the target gets into hiding before your attack system gets there and suicide drones are generally not long endurance long range drones because they are designed to be light and cheap.

    Loading missiles and bombs on your recon drones slows them down and reduces their range so they can't look for targets as long.

    This drone carrying its own suicide drones with it will be able to operate for longer periods and hit multiple targets before it needs to be replaced bu another recon drone looking for targets.

    Ideally they would have lots of light fighter aircraft like MiG-35 or Su-75 with IRST and AESA radar scanning the battlefield for targets, moving or otherwise that can transmit the locations of the various targets to be engaged by drones or attack aircraft (CAS) or be engaged by the aircraft themselves... but it is more efficient if those aircraft carry self defence weapons and external fuel and find targets for other platforms to engage like long range rocket or gun artillery, as well as attack helos and CAS aircraft.

    Something like the M-17 would be interesting in this role too...

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:50 am

    bespilotnik kino

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:32 am



    A drone carrying FPV drones.
    Now, two - but will carry 4 soon.
    It increases the range of operation to 40 km, the drone itself is a retlansrator of radio and video signals.

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    Post  franco Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:14 pm

    Russian unmanned systems at the operational-tactical level pose a great danger and problem for the Ukrainian defense forces. The founder of the neo-Nazi Azov*, Andrei Biletsky, stated this in an interview.

    A former people's deputy of the Verkhovna Rada and the current commander of the 3rd separate assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said that the Russians are significantly ahead of the Ukrainians in matters of unmanned aircraft.

    I'm talking, firstly, about the infamous "Orlan" – he specified.

    These UAVs carry out radio technical and optical reconnaissance, and also carry out fire adjustments in the interests of Russian troops. These are devices that are well protected from exposure (radiation) and cannot be jammed.

    It can be shot down, but our air defense, as is known, has a significant shortage of missiles, and it is difficult to spend them on Orlans, of which Russia has thousands – he explained.

    According to him, these UAVs are in the sky around the clock above his brigade’s operational zone at the front. Moreover, up to eleven such drones can “hang” there at the same time. This means that Ukrainian artillery cannot fire at the enemy, but is forced to hide from his counter-battery actions. It is impossible to advance with armored vehicles or move in platoon-sized units. Supply is also very difficult, and engineering work is unrealistic. "Eagles" immediately aim the enemy's cannon or rocket artillery at the identified target and adjust the firing. These drones are more effective than Western “classmates”, as well as Ukrainian “Leleka” UAVs.

    Orlan has the Comet complex - a positioning system focused on satellites not only GPS and GLONASS, but also on Chinese near-Earth vehicles (BeiDou-3. - Ed.). It is extremely difficult to defeat it with electronic warfare. You press one channel, 2, 3, 8 more work – added Biletsky.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/40534-na-ukraine-rasskazali-o-polnom-prevoshodstve-rossijskih-bpla-orlan.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:14 pm

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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:21 am



    No English translation unfortunately as far as I can find but nice video of new drone stuff for Russian military.

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    Post  franco Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:21 pm

    On the basis of the P.A.Sudoplatov volunteer battalion, a training school for operators of unmanned aerial vehicles has been established, as well as the production of shock FPV drones for the needs of units of the Russian group of troops performing combat missions of a special military operation.

    In a small room of a volunteer battalion, they forge a common victory over Ukrainian nationalists – printing hundreds of kamikaze drones for units on the front line.

    In two days, one 3D printer, which is equipped with the school, is able to print all the details for the drone, then assemble the finished design from them, equip with electronics and program.

    The production is small, but this is its advantage. You can quickly make changes to the design or quickly fulfill an individual order for a unit for a specific combat task.

    The queue for classes is scheduled for many months ahead. The training of cadets takes place both from the initial stage, and experienced fighters arrive to improve their skills, as well as transfer their combat experience gained on the line of contact.

    Military personnel are taught to dive, keep the horizon, get into small openings, correctly take a position to adjust artillery – a total of at least one hundred hours of training raid.

    Each operator is also trained in the design and programming of attack drones, studies the entire technical part and after working on simulators is allowed to fly at the training ground.

    The training of military personnel takes place under the guidance of experienced instructors-mentors who have extensive combat experience in the use of reconnaissance drones and shock FPV drones.

    Currently, about 300 operators have been trained – military personnel of various law enforcement agencies, departments and volunteer formations.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12484601@egNews

    NOTE: if you can access the pictures on the link there are some powerful combo's attached to the FPV drones; RPG warhead underneath with a kg of C4 or Russian equivalent attached to the top or an artillery round propellant charge attached to the bottom with a kg of K4 or Russian equivalent attached to the top... some big bada booms

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:55 am

    Got this from 4chan /pol/ /chug/ no idea if true.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 10, 2023 4:49 am

    doesnt look like same device.  One is producing while the other isn't. Thicker chasis for the one on Aliexpress too.

    To keep it cheap though, wouldn't be surprised if they did though purchase something like that en mass from similar OEM maker of that same one from Aliexpress.
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    Post  Atmosphere Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:16 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Got this from 4chan /pol/ /chug/ no idea if true.

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    Not the same.
    Look at the optical housing on lancet, it's longer.
    Also, their housings are different.
    Aside from that, it's expected for these LIDAR sensors to look somewhat the same.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:07 am

    I don't think he is suggesting they are identical... but that they have the same form factor because they function the same.... a golf or hunting laser range finder has two optical ports... one for the laser transmitter and one for the laser receiver to determine range to the target...

    It is not really LIDAR which is a laser based radar that creates a map or image of the surroundings based on distance to things that can generate a 3D map.

    This seems closer to a proximity fuse to set the warhead off at a standoff range to maximise penetration.

    A real LIDAR system... which Russia actually mounts on UAVs for recon, will create a 3D terrain map of the places it flys through that can be used to find targets or things like power lines etc etc.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:07 am

    Its a very cheap way of providing the precision stand-off fuzing distance without using an extendible probe or rearranging the missile internals to incorporate the standoff itself.

    NATOids get angry at any solution that doesn't fleece them of their hard-earned cash. Big line must go up, whatever the cost.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:23 am

    High-tech reconnaissance drones "Supercam" come from Izhevsk
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    Military technology is constantly evolving, and modern conflicts require new approaches and innovative solutions. One of the most important military-technical features of military operations in Ukraine was the massive use of unmanned aerial vehicles. Drones have become an indispensable tool for destroying enemy personnel and equipment; they have become an integral part of military tactics, which is being honed and improved by the Russian military.

    It is now impossible to imagine successful combat operations without the use of reconnaissance drones. One of these is the Supercam S350 UAV, which is produced by the Russian Unmanned Systems Group of Companies, headquartered in the arms capital of Russia - Izhevsk. The drone is positioned as a means for surveillance and reconnaissance, protection of state borders, monitoring of fuel and energy complex facilities, as well as for solving other tasks in the civilian sector. Cameras, video cameras and thermal imagers make it possible to create high-precision 3D terrain models and photographic plans using Supercam. However, with the beginning of the Northern Military District, this civilian UAV also found military use, in particular for counter-battery warfare and artillery fire adjustment.

    One example of the successful use of the Supercam reconnaissance drone was demonstrated Ministry of Defense in the Krasnolimansk direction. Working in conjunction with the Giatsint self-propelled howitzer, Supercam operators were able to detect and destroy firing positions and a field warehouse of Ukrainian formations. Thanks to the prompt transmission of coordinates and quick response, targets were hit within minutes of their detection.

    “Having received the command to take off, the crew of the Supercam UAV took the drone to the designated aerial reconnaissance square. Having detected the flash from the exit of a mortar shell, and thereby revealing the position of the enemy gun, the UAV operators immediately transmitted the coordinates of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ firing position to the artillery control point. After checking the coordinates, the artillerymen of the self-propelled artillery regiment of the Central Military District inflicted fire on the exposed enemy position with 152-mm high-explosive fragmentation shells, which provoked the detonation of a nearby field ammunition depot,” the Russian Ministry of Defense said in a statement.

    Specialists from the unmanned aviation units of the Central Military District in the special operation zone highly appreciate the tactical and technical characteristics of the Supercam drone. Military personnel note good noise immunity, ease of operation and maintenance, as well as the quality of the broadcast video during reconnaissance. The unit commander emphasized the importance of the reconnaissance drone, calling it “the eyes of all aviation and intelligence.” “We see all the enemy’s movements and, accordingly, transmit them. We are flying very high. We can rise to five thousand in height, and our “bird” will not be copied,” he said.

    The drone can stay in the air for more than four hours and conduct long reconnaissance missions, cover large areas and transmit extensive information about the actions of Ukrainian armed forces. Supercam optics provide high clarity and image quality. The UAV has the ability to operate via a broadband secure video channel at a distance of 50-100 km from the operator, and a maximum flight range of up to 240 kilometers allows the Russian military to receive up-to-date information about the movements and accumulation of manpower and equipment of the Air Force in their deep rear.

    Among the key features of the “Unmanned Systems” complex note quick assembly, modular composite elements, a system for releasing the wing consoles during landing to prevent possible damage. Interchangeable and combined payloads with unified gyro-stabilized platforms may include: a photo camera with a resolution of 20/24/42/60 megapixels with the ability to be installed on a stabilized platform in azimuth, a gyro-stabilized thermal imager or a PAL or HD video camera with 10/33x optical zoom, with the possibility of combining with a laser target designator, a multispectral camera, a background radiation measurement sensor, a laser gas analyzer or scanner. The Supercam can simultaneously use up to three payloads and install two cameras at the same time.

    The mission can be carried out in winds up to 15 m/s, ambient temperatures from –40°С to +45°С, in moderate rain and snowfall. The drone is noise-resistant and equipped with protection against enemy electronic warfare systems. If the connection is lost, the drone returns to the starting point and performs an automatic parachute landing.

    “Supercam” carries out automatic flight according to a given program and has the ability to hover over an object. The flight point can be moved by the operator in real time, taking into account adjustments for wind or inaccuracy of the electronic map. It is also important that the operator with the ground control station can be on the move. Moving, for example, along the front line will provide the operator with more reliable protection from detection and will allow the operator to scan a much larger area.

    The Russian military department notes that crews of Supercam drones conduct daily aerial reconnaissance, adjust artillery fire and control the destruction of identified targets. During the battles, the use of the Supercam ensured the destruction of American Humvee combat vehicles (HMMWVs), M-113 armored personnel carriers, M777 howitzers, command posts and other targets.

    https://aviation21.ru/rodom-iz-izhevska-vysokotexnologichnye-razvedyvatelnye-drony-superkam/

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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:39 am

    SMO gave an incredible impetus to the development of drones in Russia and not only in Russia..

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    Post  franco Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:42 pm

    The Russians are increasing production of the Geran-2 kamikaze UAV (analogous to the Iranian Shahed-136) and expanding industrial capacity at the plant in Yelabuga (Tatarstan) to produce even more of these loitering munitions. Western information sources report this with some concern, citing intelligence data from Western countries.

    The publications note that government and private “Earth sensing” satellites, i.e., optical-electronic reconnaissance spacecraft, discovered a serious expansion of the specified production site compared to previous observations. The company acquired several new large workshops, as well as a test bench for testing five two-stroke 4-cylinder piston engines MD550 from the Iranian manufacturer Mado (a copy of the German Limbach L550, manufactured in China). In addition, a protective perimeter with checkpoints was erected around the entire territory of the enterprise. At the same time, the monthly assembly of Geranium-2 products is currently estimated at 200 units.

    Two months ago, the orbital constellation of the American company MAXAR identified active work on the territory of the enterprise. Now they are in the final phase, and after some time, given the improvement in localization, the Russians can ensure that their permanent warehouse stocks (reserves of the RF Armed Forces) will eventually reach thousands of units of drones.

    Localizing the production of Iranian drones on Russian territory has become a headache for the West. On the basis of this enterprise, the Russians will be able to produce other versions of UAVs that will have greater thrust-to-weight ratio, speed, service ceiling and flight performance, Western observers sadly summarize.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/41389-na-zapade-obespokoeny-chto-rezervy-vs-rf-po-bpla-mogut-skoro-chrezvychajno-serezno-vozrasti.html?utm_source=topwar.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:37 am

    Localizing the production of Iranian drones on Russian territory has become a headache for the West. On the basis of this enterprise, the Russians will be able to produce other versions of UAVs that will have greater thrust-to-weight ratio, speed, service ceiling and flight performance, Western observers sadly summarize.

    Goddamn idiots... they thought it would be cool to make the Russians the bad guys and enemy of the west and now they are bitching because they are good at it...

    By splitting up the former Soviet Union you stripped away the nazis and lazy hangers on... and now you wonder why Russia isn't collapsing like most western countries would if they were put under the same sanctions the west has inflicted on Russia.

    They wanted to be allies and work together, but they also wanted a good future for its own people and how could the west deliver that when it doesn't deliver that to its own people...

    The thing is that the west doesn't make things any more so they don't realise a lot of innovation and develop actually happen on the factory floor...

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:43 am


    In a significant development in military drone technology, Russian forces have reportedly started deploying a new version of the “Lancet” kamikaze drone, known as the “Izdeliye-53 or Z-53” According to Russian sources, the use of these advanced drones commenced in October 21, 2023.

    The “Izdeliye-53” or “Z-53” is distinguished by its automatic guidance system, which is capable of autonomously identifying and distinguishing between different types of targets, potentially increasing the accuracy and success rates of strikes.

    The introduction of the Izdeliye-53 or Z-53 drone represents a notable advancement in unmanned aerial warfare. This drone is equipped with a sophisticated guidance system that allows it to autonomously select and engage targets, a feature that marks a significant step forward from earlier models. While the full capabilities of the drone are not yet publicly known, the reported ability to autonomously identify targets suggests a high level of technological sophistication.

    The Izdeliye-53/Z-53 was unveiled at the Army-2023 defense exhibition near Moscow in August 2023. A promotional video released by the manufacturer highlights the drone's unique geometric design, featuring four large wings mounted at 45-degree angles on the front, a departure from the traditional X configuration. These wings unfold during launch, and notably, the drone lacks rear stabilizer winglets. Propelled by a rear-facing propeller, the Izdeliye-53 is equipped with a prominent, downward-facing camera that plays a crucial role in environmental mapping and target acquisition.

    With a payload capacity of up to five kilograms, the Z-53 is engineered to operate in swarms, communicating and coordinating among themselves to locate and designate various ground targets. These targets range from enemy anti-aircraft and rocket artillery positions to armored units. This represents a significant advancement from the current-generation Lancet drones.

    In terms of deployment, the Z-53 drones differ markedly from their predecessors. Instead of being launched from specialized pneumatic rails, they are released from compact, ground-based tubes, akin to mortar systems. This design allows for ease of transport and deployment, as the drones can be carried either in their tube launchers or in 2x2 battery formations using light vehicles. The multifunctional transport tubes serve not only for storage and transportation but also as the launch mechanism for the UAVs, eliminating the need for field assembly.

    As of now, the deployment of the “Izdeliye-53” drones is not widespread. Russian sources indicate that the current use is primarily for testing purposes, particularly for assessing their effectiveness in mass synchronized swarm strikes. This strategy could potentially allow for overwhelming air defenses through sheer numbers and coordinated attacks.

    Furthermore, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) reported on October 24 that Russian forces allegedly used another new drone, the “Italmas” (also known as “Izdeliye-54”), during a strike in Kyiv Oblast. This suggests a broader strategy of integrating more advanced unmanned systems into Russian military operations.

    The ISW has also assessed that the Russian command might be banking on the use of a large number of strike drones to overpower Ukrainian air defenses. However, there are concerns about the effectiveness of these drones against critical military targets, given their relatively small payload capacity, reportedly between three and five kilograms.

    This development in drone warfare indicates a shift in military tactics, with a growing reliance on unmanned systems for precision strikes. The effectiveness of these new drones, particularly in terms of their impact on the ongoing conflict and their ability to challenge existing defense systems, remains to be seen.

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:10 am

    With the pneumatic tube ejection feature these would make pairing attached to the ka-52. The ka-52 can use its radar or further out Intel drones for target data and launch these guys while on a mission. Imagine two attached to a pylon. Or even four. This combined with vikhr and lmur and rocket pods. Pretty awesome stuff.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:52 am

    There is quite easy way to figure when izd. 53 is being used when we look at the vids from attack.
    An indication on the screen, middle down, "target locked" in Russian - "cel pierehvichon".
    Judging by the numbers, it is getting more and more common, I have watched several vids like that in the last week alone.

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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:11 pm

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:48 pm

    This video shows a couple of helicopter drones, and one has three launch tubes for 80mm rockets with an S-8 laser guided rocket loaded with its nose sticking out the end of the tube.

    If you watch carefully there is another helicopter drone with a four tube rocket pod mounted on the wingtips that appears to be able to be aimed up and down and I think I saw a spec sheet showing the four tube launcher was 57mm calibre. Edit: It called them unguided 57mm rockets with a range of 1.8km so they are just dumb unguided rockets for direct fire at targets.

    If they have laser guided S-8 rockets that really would make these helicopter drones rather potent... on one of the spec sheets for the model with two four tube 57mm unguided rocket pods on wingtips it also mentioned a 7.62mm machine gun with 550 rounds of ready to use ammo... for use out to 1.5km, these things are getting more fun all the time.

    The guided 80mm rockets could take out vehicles of all types with precision at 6km range, which is pretty much out of return fire range for most weapons, while the 57mm rockets could be used to hit enemy troops in bunkers and would probably be fired at targets at 1-1.5km where the machine gun would also be effective too...

    With thermals they will be fun during winter.



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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:05 pm

    The impressive thing in that new drone is it's high lift capacity. It can easily take 50+ kg, which is a very high ratio for it's weight. At least I have heard so, because never seen it's weight Laughing which makes me a perfect Internet grade expert, right? Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:12 pm

    This one is clearly based on a quality Bosch washing machine processor, not Indesit . Laughing  Laughing

    More seriously it has more of a Lego vibe.

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    The subsidiary holding Ruselectronics presented a new small-sized transponder to designate drones.

    The product operates on the “friend or foe” principle and automatically marks friendly drones at an altitude of up to 5 km and a distance of up to 100 km from the radio interrogator.
    The authenticator weighs no more than 150 g and has a power consumption of 100 mV.  

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:15 pm

    Isn't this just an upgraded version of the decades old Russian AShM code?

    Ukrainian telegram channel "Resident": Russia is winning the technological race in UAV construction

    UAVs play a very important role in the battles in Ukraine, the Internet is full of videos of their combat use. At the same time, Russia may have managed to achieve an advantage in the development, production and use of drones, reports the German Frankfurter Allgemeine.

    For example, the American Institute for the Study of War, having analyzed available videos, believes that Russia has managed to create a “swarm of drones” capable of exchanging information and using artificial intelligence to independently determine targets. The drone is called Z-53. In addition to large industrial drones, Russian soldiers use small FPV drones to “hunt soldiers.” They are relatively cheap and more mobile for use. Ukrainian soldiers also use such equipment, but are faced with the fact that “Russia is superior to Ukraine in electronic warfare” and Ukrainian FPV drones do not reach their targets.

    Finally, Russia is expanding its drone production very quickly. Satellite images show a new plant in the Alabuga SEZ, where the production of Iranian Shahed UAVs used for attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure is localized.

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