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    Post  owais.usmani Wed May 17, 2023 8:29 pm

    Mir wrote:And now they want to teach these monkeys how to fly an F-16 Twisted Evil

    Hey come on now! I want to see F-16s doing kamikaze on Kiev. Very Happy

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    Post  Isos Wed May 17, 2023 8:43 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
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    Girl in the top middle is an adult content movie producer.

    She is the one who filmed Patriot deciding to change its gender into MLRS last night then being raped by a Kinzhal.

    Ukrainians want to kill her now.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 17, 2023 8:57 pm

    Lmfao

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 17, 2023 9:19 pm

    I think that the West will think carefully about sending the F-16 because even though in the West they like to say "we can sacrifice the F-16 because we have the F-35 and we will withdraw the F-16 soon" since the shooting down of those planes will certainly have a negative impact on the imaginary and media artificially created a story about the superiority of Western aviation. And when the Western planes start to fall as well as the Russian ones, then we will see the accelerated development of rocket systems, missiles, and the re-mass production of tanks and howitzers all over the world.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 17, 2023 10:04 pm

    Before pictures. Now we wait for the afters.

    Better definition at https://twitter.com/stellarman22/status/1658879378275590145

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    50.4056, 30.4493. Kiev Patriot System Air Defense coordinates that got damaged confirmed by new hi-res satellite imagery taken the morning before the strikes on May 15th. Original geo location by @DefensePolitics
    and @chris__759
    . We can visibly see 6 dugouts of equipment #Kiev

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    This confirms at least 2 launchers and the rest of the support equipment for the Patriot as we see 6 equipment dugouts at Sikorsky international airport  pop up on recent sat imagery. It seems Ukraine deploys these systems in more open areas not obscured by trees or buildings.

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    Mentioned it yesterday but as it's cloudy today we don't currently have an image of the crater to compare to the Sentinel data from two days ago. The resulution isn't sufficient to ID launchers/radar/command.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 17, 2023 10:17 pm

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    Odessa receiving some love tonight.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 17, 2023 10:27 pm

    Both the Odessa hits were at the same moment Smile

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    Post  Hole Wed May 17, 2023 10:33 pm

    According to some sources on Twitter up to 10 explosions. Warehouses. Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 17, 2023 10:39 pm

    It seems the burden of Ukrainian refugees is getting to be too much for some countries...

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230517/does-poland-want-zelensky-to-quit-natos-proxy-war-as-sy-hersh-claims-1110421488.html

    Thinking F-16 will solve the problem is amusing and will be even more expensive... notice the pattern?

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 17, 2023 11:13 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42 - Page 38 Fwvrjs10

    Quoted for the truth...




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    Post  11E Wed May 17, 2023 11:22 pm

    Dunno what the UK plans to send, given that it doesn't have any F-16s.

    Probably left overs from the Netherlands Air Force which are in storage and nobody wants (they very old, lot of hours and the wings are at their end of life (cracks forming)

    Remember, for each vehicle, missile of aircraft given to UKR you get financial compensation from NATO. So it is an economic way to dump your old sh.t and get at least some money for it. Laughing

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    Post  Kiko Wed May 17, 2023 11:45 pm

    The Ministry of Defence announced the destruction of the radar and five Patriot launchers, 05.17.2023.

    Ministry of Defence: On May 16, a radar station and five launchers of Patriot air defense systems were completely destroyed in Kyiv.

    The Ministry of Defence announced the destruction of the Patriot in Kyiv on May 16. According to CNN, the complex received "minimal damage." The Russian military department stressed that the radar and launchers of the air defense system were completely destroyed.

    On May 16, a Kinzhal hypersonic missile hit and completely destroyed a multifunctional radar station (RLS) and five launchers of the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv, the Russian Defence Ministry said.

    “According to reliable data, on May 16 of this year, as a result of an attack by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kiev, a multifunctional radar station was hit and completely destroyed, as well as five launchers of the US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system,” the report said.

    Earlier, CNN, citing sources , reported that the Patriot air defense system, the destruction of which was reported by the Russian Ministry of Defence on May 16, received minimal damage and could be repaired on the territory of Ukraine.

    A Patriot SAM battery usually consists of five to eight launchers with four missiles each, a radar complex, as well as a control center and power supply. Battery personnel - from 70 to 90 people.

    According to the US Center for Strategic and International Studies, the cost of one Patriot battery is about $1.1 billion. According to the army, there are now 15 Patriot battalions in service (one battalion consists of four batteries).

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/05/2023/64651aac9a7947172b77cce1

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 17, 2023 11:56 pm

    Russia and Iran ink deal for rail link as part of intercontinental trade route

    Rasht-Astara railway will form part of International North-South Transport Corridor; leaders Putin and Raisi declare it will diversify global traffic, improve Moscow-Tehran ties

    The 162-kilometer (100-mile) route will run along the Caspian Sea coast and through Azerbaijan. It will be a key part of the International North-South Transport Corridor, a 7,200-kilometer (4,473-mile) combined road, rail and sea route aimed at moving goods from Russia via Central Asia to India, slashing shipping costs and times.

    “The unique North-South transport artery, of which the Rasht-Astara railway will become a part, will help to significantly diversify global traffic flows,” Putin said, according to a Reuters report.

    (Admins move as you see fit, this is pretty ground breaking for sanctions war, so I put here)

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 18, 2023 12:01 am

    From what I understand, Azerbaijan will benefit immensely

    Couple that with resumption of flights to Georgia, the whole Caucasus and Caspian region is being integrated by economy, running counter to Washington's goals

    Turks, Azeris, Georgia, Iran, Russia, India can all benefit from this, so why engage in Washington's games?

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 18, 2023 12:52 am

    Remember, for each vehicle, missile of aircraft given to UKR you get financial compensation from NATO. So it is an economic way to dump your old sh.t and get at least some money for it.

    But that money does not fall from the sky and the replacement stuff has yet to be made in most cases.

    Equally most of the stuff supplied was all the eastern block ex Soviet era stuff that was cheap but possibly wasn't all that safe to use so getting rid of it like this is probably useful but they would not have agreed if they didn't get it replaced with new western stuff... the problem of course is the new western stuff is more expensive so if they plan to use it their costs are going to be much higher in support and maintenance from western companies.

    For the west with low production rates the cost of increasing production and instant massive demand across the board from multiple countries wanting to restock is going to be very expensive all round.

    For Russia it is getting rid of stocks of old bombs and shells and missiles, which along with their new storage sites should set them right for years to come.

    It wasn't that long ago Kalashnikov was complaining that the Russian Army had 17 million rifles in storage and so was not really keen to get their new weapons, well I suspect the last decade has allowed them to use up a chunk of that helping allies in Syria and Africa and now Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 18, 2023 12:56 am

    New photo. Is it for real? Brilliant lighting isn't normal Kiev at night, that's Russian lighting Smile

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    The U.S. confirms that the Patriot air defense system in Ukraine is "in working order" despite damage, AFP reported, citing a U.S. defense official.

    Damage caused by an unidentified projectile that landed near the system is still being assessed, he said.

    US officials do not consider it necessary to withdraw Patriot air defenses from Ukraine for repairs.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 18, 2023 12:59 am

    The Russian gifts just keep on coming. Think this reflects yesterday and Hole's comment above plus maybe more now.



    Estimated list of destroyed military facilities in Odessa
    Krasnoselka - BC warehouses
    Settlement of Kotovsky - hangars with equipment
    Zatoka - hangars with equipment
    Nerubayskoye - BC warehouses
    The Tsentrolit plant (Suvorovsky District), where military equipment was located, can also be added to the list of probable targets. Under Zatoka there is a railroad track on which NATO carries weapons through Romania.

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    #UPDATE: During the last 30 minutes or so, missile attacks have occurred on Odesa oblast. Russian strategic aviation is airborne and communicating on combat frequencies. Missile strike is probable later tonight.
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    In Odessa, the warehouses of the Odessa CENTROLIT plant (located in the south of Ukraine, a few kilometers from Odessa) were hit. Warehouse and industrial facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are traditionally used to shelter the most expensive NATO equipment.

    Reports that Shahed drones are also airborne

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    Ukrainian pro-government social networks are in a panic: they report ten Russian strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS and four Tu-22s lifted into the air

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    The Ukrainian army published a notice in which it warns citizens not to post on social networks:
    photo/video materials of air defense operations;
    photo/video materials of firing positions where air defense assets are located;
    your observations about the types of air defense weapons and the zones they cover;
    Stating the numbers of how many systems there are, rockets, how many missiles were launched.


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    Post  Backman Thu May 18, 2023 1:05 am

    Something from Telegram 

    VGTRK reporter Alexander Sladkov 👉Sladkov_plus

    THE ARMED FORCES OF RUSSIA WILL EXPAND FOR A WHOLE YEAR

    This is not a sudden mobilization, this is a planned measured process. We are staffing the RF Armed Forces to 1.5 million people. Well, we must not forget that we are a warring army, and for a year now we have been intensively fighting. There are dead, wounded, retirees and sick people who are dropping out of the ranks, so the work of reaching 1.5 million troops will not be easy, but doable.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 18, 2023 4:54 am

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    The U.S. confirms that the Patriot air defense system in Ukraine is "in working order" despite damage, AFP reported, citing a U.S. defense official.

    Damage caused by an unidentified projectile that landed near the system is still being assessed, he said.

    US officials do not consider it necessary to withdraw Patriot air defenses from Ukraine for repairs.

    Yeah, not necessary to withdraw it as there's nothing much left to withdraw

    And after the attempts of Ukrainian officials to spin the damage "a Patriot system consists of several components spaced apart from each other, a single missile can't take out all of them", etc... this new claim about something landing near the system is as comical as that other report in Yahoo News about how the Patriot may have been damaged by debris from a shot-down Kinzhal.

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    Post  dionis Thu May 18, 2023 5:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    And after the attempts of Ukrainian officials to spin the damage "a Patriot system consists of several components spaced apart from each other, a single missile can't take out all of them", etc... this new claim about something landing near the system is as comical as that other report in Yahoo News about how the Patriot may have been damaged by debris from a shot-down Kinzhal.

    Well this is what Putin and Biden meant by unstoppable super weapons, clearly. If the missile itself doesn't get you, the debris from shooting it down will? Very Happy


    In all seriousness, if they parked these things out in an airfield, Russia should have high-res shots of the destruction there available at least the morning after to show the impact sites (if not the wrecks of the systems - though they likely cleaned that up in 8+ hours). It's not like they aren't curious as to what they actually hit and didn't...

    Sounds like both sides would just prefer to keep things a mystery. Oh well, time will tell what really happened.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 18, 2023 6:12 am

    I know for sure the US side would very much prefer to keep its aura of invincibility around its weapon systems and its sales numbers for Raytheon as high as it can get them

    Debris my ass

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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 18, 2023 6:22 am

    flamming_python wrote:I know for sure the US side would very much prefer to keep its aura of invincibility around its weapon systems and its sales numbers for Raytheon as high as it can get them

    Debris my ass

    It is all peepshow.
    Have you noticed, that for a while there is no more bullshit about "Russkie running out of missiles"?
    From the moment that NATO AD systems take the guard, a whole narrative perished.
    The mighty NATO system must deal with double the number of Russkie missiles, at least!
    And shoot down triple, of course!

    Werewolf, those are six Kievans who were stupid enough to publish materials with Patriot roast. Already in the hands of Ukrogestapo, 8 years imprisonment on the way.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 18, 2023 7:17 am

    Werewolf, those are six Kievans who were stupid enough to publish materials with Patriot roast. Already in the hands of Ukrogestapo, 8 years imprisonment on the way.

    8 years if they are lucky... a post at the front line could be an option... they have done worse than send their criminals to war... with no preparation... and no hope.

    Drug them and march them towards Russian positions and note the enemy muzzle flashes to work out where they are shooting from.

    I remember Desert Storm... at the time the Scud was the boogey man, while the Patriot was the hero that saved the day... despite no confirmed intercepts... well you don't spend billions to upgrade from PAC-2 to PAC-3 if it sort of worked... it uses a different missile.

    Patriot needs serious upgrades in terms of its radar performance and it also needs to have a TOR or Pantsir system to protect it from drones and low flying missiles.

    Just give us a blank cheque and we will get right on it...

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 18, 2023 11:37 am

    They won't post confirmed kills though. After this, Wikipedia and other sources say PAC 3 has "confirmed" destruction of 7 or whatever Kinhzal missiles because Ukrops and Pentagon will say so, regardless the footage/pictures of the PAC 3 blowing up from direct hit or fact Russians didn't launch as many Kinhzals as proclaimed.

    And 10+ years from now, if this site is still up, we will have members who will say and quote the western sources and say "see, PAC 3 works because it shot down 7 Kinhzals" or whatever nonsense.

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    Post  Mir Thu May 18, 2023 11:50 am

    ...and there are still those that believe Patriot saved the day against Sadam's Scuds Laughing

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