Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Except that the money can't be used in Russia and transfered....

The West has no intention of stopping, apparently.
I know it's not part of this section, but everything is more or less directly or indirectly related to the rotten West.

kvs wrote:I want to agree but the western Ukrs are a real ethnic branch.   Their language, mentality and I would claim genetics (mixture) are of a critical mass to cleave them off the Russian ethnic branch.   For sure these western Ukrs do not have any claim in central and eastern Soviet-created Ukraine.

Ukrainians from the central Ukraine = Varangians who stayed.

Ukrainians from the western Ukraine = Varangians who moved west to escape the steppe nomads.



In the west they even moved into south-eastern Poland.

Quoting Prigozhin again?

The guy is a drama queen. And quite possibly he's trying to misdirect the Ukrainians too.

flamming_python wrote:Quoting Prigozhin again?

The guy is a drama queen. And quite possibly he's trying to misdirect the Ukrainians too.

The last time he made same claims, Wagner took over half of Bakhmut. So yeah, it's misdirection.

Serberus wrote:....If Russia doesn’t  escalate this to a war now and take out Zelensky, they are complete idiots imo.

And spare the others? Idiotic

Zelensky is needed alive as an example, everyone else needs to be taken out

Podlodka77 wrote:....The Russians know that a good part of the population (which is not the majority though) of Ukroshitstan is powerless and that they have the Nazi regime against them...

Bullshit

Population isn't under Nazi regime, population ARE Nazis

Please spare us that commie ''Bratstvo & Jedinstvo'' bullshit

Podlodka77 wrote:....There is no victory without military boots....

Boots come only after enemy is exterminated

Once you get rid of them territory will come by itself

mr_hd wrote:About drone in Kremlin: Ukraine has fully right to strike anything inside of Russia ...

Of course they do

This is war, entire Russia is legitimate target

Only way to keep Russia safe it to terminate Ukraine

Arkanghelsk wrote:The head of the private military company Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said on Wednesday that the Ukrainian forces had begun their counterattack in Bakhmut/Artyomovsk and are threatening to overwhelm his undersupplied troops....

Undersupplied mercenaries

And if you aren't satisfied with work condition you shouldn’t have accepted the contract for this month

Arkanghelsk wrote:Wagner forces advanced more than 200 meters on Wednesday, sustaining 116 fatalities and leaving less than three square kilometers of the Donbass city in Ukrainian possession, Prigozhin said in an audio clip shared online....

116 corpses for just 200 meters?

They were supposed to exterminate Ukranians in the zone not themselves

I am starting to think that Wagner is undequalified for this gig

Not sure why I keep getting this "invalid video" prompt. But here's Larry Johnsons take https://www.youtube.com/live/jc8Jfv0NO_Y?feature=share

About drone in Kremlin: Ukraine has fully right to strike anything inside of Russia ...

Of course they do

This is war, entire Russia is legitimate target

But it is clearly fucking different if its a pure proxy war. The US bombed the Kremlin.

elensky is probably back in his bunker.

Hiding in Finland.

Well I think this incident underscores the risk of a protracted war. You can never anticipate all means of attack and what developments your enemy is capable off or what asymmetric capabilities it can develop. As long as that border remains open all the minds and capabilities of the western world are available.

When I look at 3 sq km lift in Bakhmut I really wonder why they are screwing around again. all seems like significant death toll on the part of wagner.

PapaDragon wrote:116 corpses for just 200 meters?

They were supposed to exterminate Ukranians in the zone not themselves

I  am starting to think that Wagner is undequalified for this gig

Well if Prigozhin isn't bullshitting here, and he may be, then that's very worrying as this is several fold above the average KIA per day

And that means the Ukrainians are now the ones who have set up a fire envelope or trap or whatever you want to call it for this last little section of Bakhmut, sure in the knowledge that the Russians mean to secure this parcel of land.

And attacking there where the enemy is strongest, where the enemy most expects you, etc... is just bad Sun Tzu all around. Has Wagner really been ordered by the Kremlin to secure some sort of propaganda victory by May 9th or whatever? That would be wasteful and disappointing. Wagner forces need to conserve their manpower just as everyone else does, there will be many more trials ahead. Those last few houses in Bakhmut can just be avoided for the time being.

And spare the others? Idiotic

Zelensky is needed alive as an example, everyone else needs to be taken out

Agreed, Zelensky is an incompetent leader and would serve better as a living testament to the Ukrainian people's stupidity, cowardice and what happens when you don't keep your neonazis in check. After this war is over they need to see Zelensky touring the world and living a life of luxury while they're hobbling around Kiev with missing limbs and PTSD.

Russia needs to lob a couple of Kinzhals and Iskanders on Ukrainian landmarks like the Presidential Palace and Rada. Its mostly symbolic but the destruction of these landmarks will serve as a reminder to NATzO.

Drone attack on Kremlin, apparently Presidents residence targeted.
Attempt on Putins life pretty much. A direct result of doing **** all about previously set red lines
If Russia doesn’t escalate this to a war now and take out Zelensky, they are complete idiots imo.

Putin is an imbecile, he has become a liability to Russia

What a bad joke this has become and it's not dooming

This clownshow has been going on for long enough

What a bunch of pussies you are, and yes you are dooming... some smoke near the Kremlin and you think Putin needs to go?

This is brilliant.

First of all Putin is perfectly fine and the attack failed... but anyone who immediately posts doom and gloom over an attack claiming it is any sort of failure without even knowing what happened or even what the results were is a real pussy and I mean Vagina in this use of the word.

Embarrassing.

I am surprised they took this long to try... the west has wanted Putin dead longer than they wanted Saddam dead, but this is an excellent opportunity.

There is no way to negotiate any peace agreement with Zelensky , he is incapable of keeping to the Minsk agreements so no more wasting time getting his signature on anything, and of course he will deny this because he knows he becomes fair game if it is proven that he was behind this... but that is the exciting part... there is no need to prove anyone is behind this attack because killing off Zelensky will be useful... especially if they can take out some of the other nazis with him, but then they can say that Biden was also behind it... and whoever is in charge of Britain and Germany and France, and they can say no to any peace agreement that involves any of these states and stop selling them any energy at all...

This is a wonderful opportunity.

It is a long-term Western plan to weaken the Russian economy, I am convinced.

Their plans are to do to Russia what they did with lots of other countries and they are failing terribly, which is cause for celebration because they are destroying their own control over the world to try to damage Russia... they are succeeding in making themselves look mad and Russia is getting stronger all the time.

I think that the Russians have known for a long time that the West is preparing for a bigger conflict.
I keep feeling that there is some greater evil yet to come.

The longer this conflict continues the more damaged the west will become.

Do you realise how close the Kremlin is to the Ploshchad Revolutsii or Okhotny Ryad metro station or the access road that lead to the Red Square? The entire central Moscow area would have been shut down.

It is a war... close down areas near political or military significant areas.

Enough pussyfooying, all government buildings in Kiev need to become memories

Zelensky likely never goes anywhere near anything like such buildings... you can set up a green screen anywhere... places like picture theatres make more sense.

Long said, Pantsir should not have been removed from that strategic location on top of that building. Had also posted the images. One such Pantsir would have been able to cover the entire airspace over Moscow. Kremlin had specific intelligence that high value assets in Moscow will be targeted. The upgraded Pantsir were meant to thwart attacks carried out by loitering munitions and drones.

You are worried about a small cheap drone killing people on the ground and your solution is to have a missile launcher with 90kg missiles with a 20kg solid rocket booster that falls away from the missile at mach 3 and hits the ground randomly, while a 60kg missile continues to hit the target showering the area with fragments and a HE blast of about 10kgs HE?

This thing is beyond dangerous and I think NATO wants this to escalate into a nuclear inferno.

Their idea of diplomacy was to negotiate from a position of strength with some strings or leverage they could use against those they were talking to so they can force them to do as they say.

They don't even understand the definition of diplomacy... maybe it is time to end them.

But as usual Putin will not over react and will carefully weigh up his options and make some changes and steps that really put the pressure on the US... because it is the US driving this war.

Find Bidens backers and hit them in the pocket...

German self-propelled guns PzH 2000 in Ukraine stuck in the mud - The New York Times

German failure on eastern front because of Winter... history repeats...

About drone in Kremlin: Ukraine has fully right to strike anything inside of Russia as long as Russian troops are on its territory and as long as Russia is shooting long range attacks on Ukrainian territory among other things. Nothing there to think about it, it is international war from day 1.

First of all they have no rights because they are not a real country and trying to target the leadership of the enemy suggests that leadership is effective, but Russias response will be interesting...

That German politician who said Russias supply routes and infrastructure are fair game because they are supply lines and this is war, effectively justifies attacks on HATO countries actively supplying and supporting Kievs forces including EW and Intel as well as just fuel and ammo and vehicles which really opens up Russias options in terms of targets.

And those countries are engaged in open war with Russia so Article 5 cannot be used to demand support of other HATO countries.

For me it is good sign that Ukraine is careful to keep freedom of its own action and not become too dependent on the West; Idiots in Kremlin knew this will come months ago if not from the very start. There is no reason that drones are falling on Kyiv and would not on Moscow too - occasionally.

The Russians have expected this sort of attack for decades and the fact that it failed is evidence that it is protected already...

The CIA has been trying to kill government officials during parades for a very long time... especially in central and south america.

You are a man who hates Russia, it is instilled in you.
Yes, just to add that the stick has two ends and if you get hit on the head today or tomorrow - maybe you will come to your senses.

He is just a mindless drone that is very common in the west... you will see western news agencies make claims like seeing the news from all angles and then just show one angle and the people do not notice... we are good and right and they are evil and wrong... nice and simple.

They are supporting nazis now and it will be child molesters next because they can't help it obviously... it will be the next ADD.

The funny thing is that a lot of boys are realising that if they identify as a girl they get to go into girls toilets and changing rooms and playing sports is easier as a girl too... you get a shorter Tee spot than if you are male... and it is easier to win the womens sports than the mens... and hard core femenists can't admit men and women are not equal... oh the west is eating itself... and most are in denial.

If a drone attack on the Kremlin doesn't result in leveling the US embassy in Kiev then something is wrong. Actions need to have consequences. And no. It's not an "act of war". And even if it is, who the f*ck cares ? What's the US gonna do

A failed drone attack is not nothing, but Russia should be planning to dispose of most of those in power in Kiev in a way that avoids killing absolutely everyone, but gets as many of the hard core nazis as possible.

The obvious problem is that they are cowards and Zoom cowards at that so hitting them all together is very unlikely unless you hit the schools and hospitals and churches they are likely staying in.

All the relevant ministries of the country are being run out of the US embassy. This is why US embassies have 600-1000 employees. They aren't processing passports in there.

Hit it hard and claim you were using old maps... they will understand.

Hell... even just warn them and tell them to move their people out of the country or else they will be killed... give them a week and then hit them... the destruction by removing the people and destroying the building should be enough to destroy the Kiev machine.

One of the telegram channels posted this. Not sure if they were trying to be ironic but they are right. The CIA's 2023 budget is 65 billion. Think of the kind of bribes and shit that you could be handing out with unlimited money.

Why would he start telling the truth now?

The West has no intention of stopping, apparently.
I know it's not part of this section, but everything is more or less directly or indirectly related to the rotten West.

China should be watching this because essentially they are saying that the solution to China and Taiwan is the same as the solution for Ukraine and Russia and we can see how that worked out for everyone.

The Western have been dominating the world for the last 500 years, you seriously think they have any intentions of relinquishing that volunteerly.

The problem really is that they think they are getting the choice...

Hole wrote:

elensky is probably back in his bunker.

Hiding in Finland.

In the Netherlands now.
And will go to Germany, soon.
His tournee won't end soon me thinks

To Podlodka77

I think you are prime example of internet imbecile without any critical thinking. So because of that unfortunately I can not discuss with you anything serious lol.

Btw I love Russia, Russian culture and Russian people - however I do not approve at all Putin, what he is doing in Ukraine and what he is doing with Russia too. For me he already made irreparable long term damage to Russia - just by staying way too long on power. Russia historically has incredible long list of authoritarian idiots that abused power and stayed way too long on it - that is mean reason why Russia is poor and underdeveloped even if it is the most resource reach land on the planet. And Putin is just one more name on that list, for me last 5-6 years approval for him went down to zero and then on minus territory.

mr HD, u obviously DONT "love Russia". You despise it, want its people (in the so called "Ukraine" or rather Malorossiya ie Little Russia) to be terrrorised and murdered and to stop being Russian. That's the epitomy of hatred and evil. Go back to Washington, no one believes your attempts at propaganda.