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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:33 pm

    Russia won't run out of men, but for obvious reasons cannot take those losses anyway

    The society is insulated from the war - for now, but you put Bakhmut numbers up for all urban battles - kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Ugledar, Kupyansk, Kharkov, and all other cities that will be fought for, and you are talking about an unfeasible strategy

    Chechens, Wagner can take it, and even if they do theyl be out for 1 year, rebuilding their forces

    But the Russian army cannot- it's time to break out the VKS, and start bombing the country , and end this thing

    As for Ukros throwing "everything they have"

    Check out Zaporozhye defense line- the MOD certainly does not think Ukraine has thrown everything, far from it:

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:00 pm

    I agree, Arkanghelsk. I am not sure what the plan is to win the Battle for the Donbas, especially Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. Ukraine can still throw a few hundred thousand soldiers into the grinder, easily.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:23 pm

    Ukrainian troops announced a shortage of ammunition to hold Artemivsk, 03.13.2023.

    The Edelweiss brigade stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk need ammunition and weapons.

    MOSCOW, March 13 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian troops in Artemovsk need supplies of ammunition and weapons, the head of the press service of the 10th separate mountain assault brigade "Edelweiss" Nikita Shandyba said on the Rada TV channel.

    “Our line of defense needs more ammunition and weapons to keep the defense going, this is the most important thing. It’s not easy: we’ve been standing here for the tenth month without rotation, the field, dampness, it’s not warm now,” he said.

    Alexander Syrsky, commander of the Ukrainian ground forces, said today that the situation in the Artemivsk region "remains difficult." According to The Wall Street Journal, the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer heavy losses there due to the inability to deliver ammunition and evacuate the wounded.

    The day before, the founder of the Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said that the fighters continue to move forward, despite the fact that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine throws more and more new reserves into battle. At the same time, the Ukrainian military themselves do not exclude that Artemivsk may turn out to be another boiler for them, as it was in Debaltseve in 2015.

    https://ria.ru/20230313/artemovsk-1857593342.html

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:27 pm

    More like a few Mill, Russian losses will sooner be exhausted than you kill that much men, not like this is a war and they can call up millions of their own and I know someone will go "300k" AGAIN, that isn't all combat personal and the actual percentage of combat troops in that is unknown. If Russia wants to win this, it needs to declare war and go to town.

    I can agree with Ark the limited russian forces there cannot sustain the losses required to bleed Ukraine dry.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:32 pm

    Well why would Xi keep pressing for some kind of peace deal?

    It has some influence

    China is a partner and one cannot discard what they are saying, especially if Putin is inviting Xi to Moscow - you don't invite the leader of the world's largest economy, and your own major partner to ignore him , it's obvious that things have to be smoothed out

    So that they can justify arms sales to Russia subsequently

    The Chinese are no fools. And they also need Russia as much as Russia needs them. So if Mr. Xi does come up with an unacceptable for Russia proposal for real, then thanks but no thanks Mr. Xi

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:34 pm

    The cost of designing and fitting a warhead section to a LGB guidance kit would be less than the cost of the dumb bombs, so essentially they are using up the cheap bombs by making them expensive.
    It seems some people believe that those GP bombs grow on trees or fall from the sky (pun intended).
    Someone has to put them together. Just as the guidance kit. Then someone has to put these two together.
    In the end it´s more expensive then those purpose build guided bombes Russia prefers.

    Back in the 90´s it was cheaper because the USAF had a lot of old bombs build for the Vietnam or even the
    Korean war but those are long gone. Today it´s just another way to make something that could be cheap
    more expensive.

    Back to the SMO...

    Now that the usage of Grom missiles/bombs, the new guided glide bombs and even the cheap (in this case it is true)
    add-on kit to turn GP bombs into guided glide bombes is confirmed, last week or so Mercouris or Ritter (can´t remember)
    mentioned that after the reshuffle Suvorikin became the big boss of all air operations above 404 and that the operation
    turned into her own front. This means the VKS is no longer just supporting ground operations here and there but conducting
    "special" operations like the accelerated hunt for radars and AD systems.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:34 pm

    My tactics are these:-
    1)Hit America and NATO countries in some way. Cyber attacks, arming separatists/whatever.
    2)Block arms coming into the Pukraine.
    The current battlefront is v large.
    But the "neck" of the Pukraine is far shorter. Thats Belarus to Transn.
    3)Massive production of drones/AI type arms.

    I wonder if politics are at work here? Does Russia WANT a long, grinding war for some reason?
    Who knows.

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:36 pm

    So if Mr. Xi does come up with an unacceptable for Russia proposal for real, then thanks but no thanks Mr. Xi
    Keep in mind that Medvedev was in Beijing long before the Chinese came up with this propsal.
    Was most likely written in Moscow with the sole purpose to be rejected by the west so that the
    Global South can support Russia more openly.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:38 pm

    No sign of that ECM since Ukraine has been using GPS guided shells and missiles the entire time without issue.

    Plenty of sign of that ECM, it's just unrealistic to expect EW means to be available everywhere along the front or at all times

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:53 pm





    "...these guys are Russians...".


    They are not Russians and they never will be Russians, and, unlike ethnic Poles, they are not even Slavs.


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia






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    Post  flamming_python Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:55 pm

    More like a few Mill, Russian losses will sooner be exhausted than you kill that much men, not like this is a war and they can call up millions of their own and I know someone will go "300k" AGAIN, that isn't all combat personal and the actual percentage of combat troops in that is unknown. If Russia wants to win this, it needs to declare war and go to town.

    I can agree with Ark the limited russian forces there cannot sustain the losses required to bleed Ukraine dry.

    Fantasies and nothing more.
    It's as much an existential conflict for Russia, in that its fighting against NATO, as it is for the Ukrainians - and however many men need to be mobilized, will be, and however long the war needs to take, it will too.

    Why certain people think that we are about to surrender, give up, whatever I honestly don't understand. It's just wishful thinking. No-one's going to surrender to NATO because that's what's at question.

    A different question is how many men are actually needed. I disagree that the Ukrainians have some hundreds of thousands never-mind millions left to mobilize. They're running on fumes.
    Russia has enough men currently in the military to finish the job, unless they desire to demobilize the earlier wave and draft more people to replace them.

    However the neccessity of ramping up industry, expanding the military, rotating units, and preparing for a total mobilization is entirely neccessary, as the likelyhood of a conventional conflict with NATO, while still low, is far above zero.

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:05 pm

     the entire time without issue.
    Because some Ukro Telegram account claims it?


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    Progress along the highway.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:18 pm

    Xi will talk remotely with Zelensky next week and will be in Moscow.

    Arkangelsk announced a major Russian offensive some time ago? Something is missing from this attack .
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    Post  zare Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:55 pm


    1)Hit America and NATO countries in some way. Cyber attacks, arming separatists/whatever.
    2)Block arms coming into the Pukraine.
    The current battlefront is v large.
    But the "neck" of the Pukraine is far shorter. Thats Belarus to Transn.
    3)Massive production of drones/AI type arms.

    1) already doing that for years
    2) already doing that since Feb '22
    3) AI is a buzzword it means nothing

    Drones? Certainly good to have them but they're not an answer they're just a tool. Had Russia went haywire for drones and Feb 22 came those drones would be useless because they wouldn't be the types needed...Nobody is about to just start producing drones left and right. You need to know what to produce and that requirements are going to come from the army on the field.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:51 pm

    Svatovsky region, RF VDV assault Ukrainian positions


    RF ATGM strike on Ukrainian armor near Ugledar


    Operations of RF drone crew of spotting and striking with the Lancet Drone.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:54 pm

    Russian forces cut off the ways of transporting reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Artemivsk, 03.13.2023.

    A Wagner fighter reported approaching the road along which the Armed Forces of Ukraine bring reserves to Artemovsk.

    BERHOVKA (DPR), March 13 - RIA Novosti. Russian forces are cutting off the ways of transporting reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Artemovsk, a fighter of the Wagner Group told RIA Novosti.

    According to him, they are approaching the railway, through which Kiev is transferring the main reserves to Chasov Yar.

    "This is the western side of Bakhmut (the Ukrainian name of Artemovsk. - Ed.), in front of everyone is the familiar settlement of Chasov Yar, respectively, three kilometers away is the railway (which supplies Ukrainian troops. - Approx. ed.)", - said agency interlocutor.

    The fighter clarified that Russian forces are advancing northwest of Artemovsk, cutting off the automobile supply routes of the Ukrainian group.

    https://ria.ru/20230313/rezervy-1857626524.html

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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:09 pm

    I don't know if it was already shared. It's from 1 month ago. The mig-29 had a terrible night.

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    Post  diabetus Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:43 pm

    Regular wrote:I don't think it does inflight adjustments as in cruise missile and GPS coordinates should be preprogrammed during the launch,as soon as it gets close to ECM area, it might be bit too late.
    Shooting down on other hand, it could be piece of cake for Pantsir. As you said, very predictable flightpath

    It has backup inertial guidance if GPS signal is lost.
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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:39 pm

    From a Twitter source:

    Bahkmut update...
    Ukrainian media resources report that "something terrible is going on in the city,
    the shelling does not stop for a second, and the Russian troops are advancing all
    along the front line. The air force and missile forces are at work. They are striking
    at the rear of the Artemovsk grouping of the enemy. Massive missile strikes have
    been launched against Kostyantynivka, Chasov Yar, and the Kramatorsk district.

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:17 pm

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    Chuba joins the orchestra.
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    Chuba has your back.
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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:51 pm

    Further details coming in right now:

    Russian assault detachments approach the railway supply lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk, by Olga Ivanova for VZGLYAD. 03.13.2023.

    Russian forces are approaching the railway supply lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk.

    Russian assault troops are approaching the railroad, through which Kyiv supplies the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemivsk (Ukrainian name - Bakhmut), said a fighter of the group, who performs a number of tasks in this direction.

    According to him, the forces of the Wagner PMC are advancing northwest of Artemivsk, cutting off the supply routes and transporting reserves of Ukrainian troops, RIA Novosti reports.

    “This is the western side of Bakhmut, in front of everyone is the familiar settlement of Chasov Yar, respectively, the railway is three kilometers away,” he said.

    Earlier, the media reported that Ukrainian troops were suffering heavy losses in Artemovsk due to the fact that they were cut off by Russian fighters.

    On the eve of the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin said that the situation in Artemovsk is very difficult, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are transferring new reserves to the city.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/3/13/1202966.html

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:03 pm

    @ holes post n°146

    Dont forget the school busses and ambulances

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 pm


    If there's a rush to deal with urban fortifications we all know that napalm was invented long ago (rules went out the window long ago as well so it's all good)

    Otherwise just do Monte Casino like Python suggested

    Just don't go around pussyfooting and everything will be peachy




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    Post  Backman Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:46 pm

    I disagree that the Ukrainians have some hundreds of thousands never-mind millions left to mobilize. They're running on fumes.

    We don't know. When a whole nation is taken prisoner, it adds up. Lets low ball it and say there's 10 million ppl left in Ukraine. And half are men. That's still 5 million men to throw in.
    The US is training the cocksuckers concurrently. They are always training and always assembling more men.

    I don't think it is a matter of how many men. It is more a matter of arms and vehicles. Which are a dime a dozen too.

    So I just don't know about this grind them strategy when we are dealing with the Anglo satanists who never give up, and Ukraine, who doesn't seem to know how to resist and will keep marching into gunfire as long as the US provides them the means.

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