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    Post  limb Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:03 pm

    IMO the kids of russian generals or any civil servant shouldnt be allowed to travel party in any country thats officially listed as unfriendly by the russian government. They also shouldnt buy any goods designed in unfirendly countries that cost more than 2000$(handbags, expensive cars, luxury clothing, etc)

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:23 pm

    This is such a perfectly stupid take from someone that is genuinely too stupid to realize why and is even proud of it. I love it.

    Just wait&watch, as it is clear that the circus arrived in town.

    Imagine the Leopard 1 crew after 5 weeks of training versus vets from the 1st Army Corp. That will be a hilarious show!

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    Post  mnztr Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:14 pm

    How the hell have 228 Ukrainian olympic athletes been killed? What the F is Kiev doing? Seems like Zelensky is hell bent on annihilating whatever "Ukraine" was. On the altar of McDonald's or something. May all curse this abomination forever. wrote:


    Anyone that did not win a medal gets another chance?
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:28 pm

    Edit : just for the records ... McGregor's latest entry put the Ukrainian population at 37.4 mln before the war started.

    A few days after I revealed the number from the online survey 2019.

    A number nobody in the English sphere revealed till then.

    I love the coincidences.

    And math is racist.

    I'm telling you, Mercouris and McGregor read this forum  Twisted Evil
    Scott Ritter probably too

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:33 pm

    Not that difficult to intercept either for a THAAD or PAC-3.

    Iskander is hypersonic only in the terminal phase. Just like the Kinzhal and the Zircon.

    None of these missiles fly at hypersonic from launch to impact. Missiles that are unable to fly at hypersonic speed from start to finish can be intercepted quite easily.

    Actually the Iskander slows down in the terminal phase. The terminal phase is when it manuevers, and is hardest to hit

    A missile that flies at hypersonic speed from start to finish is almost certainly a ballistic missile, and will be more straightforward to intercept than a missile which flies slower, but unpredictably.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:39 pm

    Just like Garry has said.
    They are great trained people at the peak of physical training, assisted by very strong mental preparation&motivation.
    A natural reservoir for special forces recruitment, and they have been thrown into the fire tens of times only for staging commercials.
    Or carry a terror campaign that ends up tearing them apart with FAE grenades in some forest around Belogorod on the house of FSB.

    Very physically fit and mentally strong, but would get simply killed during an engagement with any group of experienced soldiers; and that will be the end of it.

    The USSR of course also used athletes as front-line fighters during the Winter War. And it ended the same way. A whole bunch of dead sportsmen.

    They don't last longer than anyone else. But for sure they're good candidates for a special forces training program, PROVIDED they meet all the other criteria of such a demanding role too.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:40 pm

    There is no doubt that either Mercorous or one of his sources is someone who reads this forums. We have some (some to be specific) good posters here with great sources and evidence to back up. They are the most silent ones too on here besides Airbornewolf who posts more frequent but is top notch.

    The ones who post the absolute most are the most useless and pointless - diabetus, RTN, Limb, Walter, seig and arch who goes between meltdown and doomer to super Patriot and optimistic at the flick of a switch.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:48 pm

    Well I would disagree, the biggest insights often come from some the debates and arguments between people, so even the doomers have their place here What a Face

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:52 pm

    Don't offend my zoo inhabitants before feeding, they will lose their appetite! Laughing

    Talking about the zoo, posters of "The Ghost of Kiev" leaked from Hollywood studies.

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    Post  Tolstoy Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:27 pm

    None of these missiles fly at hypersonic from launch to impact. Missiles that are unable to fly at hypersonic speed from start to finish can be intercepted quite easily.
    Asshole, information pertaining to when a missile attains hypersonic speed during the flight is classified. It is never disclosed. You'll find that out once we send one up your ass.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:39 pm

    missile that flies at hypersonic speed from start to finish is almost certainly a ballistic missile, and will be more straightforward to intercept than a missile which flies slower, but unpredictably. wrote:

    Hypersonic missiles perform a significant part of their flight at a hypersonic velocity >5M. Not even Iskander, not to mention Cirkon, which is probably powered by a ramjet/scramjet. Avangard moves the fastest about 28M.
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    Post  Belisarius Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:40 pm

    PART ONE OF FOUR

    Hi Everyone, JM here. There has been a lot of concern about the fighting around Ugledar recently. As we have some harder data I wanted to do some commentary.

    There has been since 23/24 January been heavy fighting around the town of Ugledar south of Donetsk. At the tip of the Russian spear in this assault is the 155th Naval Infantry brigade. The 155th bde made some initially good progress, but then was pushed back from 26 January by determined UKR counterattacks. Since then there have been claims pushed of heavy Russian losses, indeed that the 155th bde was wiped out. This recently appeared in an article in the US magazine POLITICO. An image of the title is given in the post.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/44611

    PART TWO OF FOUR

    Still, there were good reasons to think losses were vastly exaggerated. A case in point being that on 8 February pro-UKR social media accounts claimed Ukraine had destroyed 30 Russian vehicles in one day around Ugledar - but this turned out to not be true and the appearance of this was achieved by some selective editing of a longer video clip - which is included here. As others, including RWA, pointed out most the vehicles retreated intact.

    Which brings us to casualty totals, continued in the next post.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/44612

    PART THREE OF FOUR

    The Russian opposition media outlet Mediazona publishes figures for confirmed Russian KIA from within the pre-2022 borders and even does a breakdown of KIA by combat function. The one which concerns us here is the Naval Infantry as although there are other units supporting the assault, the Naval Infantry are very much the spearhead in Russian operations around Ugledar. The period we will consider here is from 21 January to 12 February. Mediazona's figures for confirmed Russian Naval Infantry KIA in that period are ... 19. Yes, 19.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/44613

    PART FOUR OF FOUR

    Remember that these figures are for the whole of the Russian Armed Forces. Even if we double these numbers that yields 38 KIA. Hardly staggering losses. The supporting elements are mostly regular Ground Forces Motor Rifle troops and those are confirmed as having suffered 41 KIA over the same period and given that Motor Rifle troops are fighting in Marinka, up on the Svatovo-Kremennaya axis and all over the front it is extremely doubtful all these men lost their lives near Ugledar. In other words, there is nothing to be overwrought about. It is war, but Russian commanders are very careful with the lives of their men.

    Победа будет за нами!
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/44615

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:58 pm

    Belisarius wrote:...The 155th bde made some initially good progress, but then was pushed back from 26 January by determined UKR counterattacks....

    Just the fact that Ukrainian apes were able to even launch a counterattack let alone "determined" and successful one speaks volumes about these pussies from whatever this 155th traveling circus is supposed to be

    Our guys on Koshare were able to hold back a horde of jihadists while being bombed by entire technologically advanced world but these pampered overadvertized bitches can't even take a fúcking hamlet and pussy out and run away the moment someone dares to shoot back

    These pussies should be marched through a minefield to clear the path for Wagner, that way they will at least be good for something





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    Post  Kiko Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:01 pm

    The Russian Armed Forces are fighting in the Paraskovievka area near Artemovsk, 02.14.2023.

    Acting head of the DPR Pushilin reported fierce battles for Paraskovievka near Artemovsk.

    MOSCOW, February 14 - RIA Novosti. Russian units are fighting in the Paraskovievka area, the capture of the village will cut the last supply route for the Armed Forces group in Artemovsk, Denis Pushilin, acting head of the DPR, said on Channel One.

    “Now, after the liberation of Krasnaya Gora, an additional cleansing is taking place there, which, in turn, allows us to more purposefully deal with Paraskoviyivka. This settlement, in turn, allows us to go out and block the road to Chasov Yar, this is the last supply road (for Ukrainian troops - Ed.) There are already fierce battles going on there," the official said.

    He stressed that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is taking predictable actions, including blocking free entry to Artemovsk for outsiders.

    The Russian side does not expect the enemy to give up without a fight, Pushilin added.

    The capture of Krasnaya Gora by volunteers of assault detachments with fire support from the missile forces and artillery of the southern group of troops was confirmed by the Ministry of Defense the day before.

    Krasnaya Gora and Paraskovievka are located between Artemovsk and Soledar.

    Artyomovsk is located in the Kiev -controlled part of the DPR north of Gorlovka . This is an important transport hub for supplying the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbass.

    https://ria.ru/20230214/pushilin-1851922448.html

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:23 pm

    PapaDragon Today at 11:58 am

    Belisarius wrote:
    ...The 155th bde made some initially good progress, but then was pushed back from 26 January by determined UKR counterattacks....


    Just the fact that Ukrainian apes were able to even launch a counterattack let alone "determined" and successful one speaks volumes about these pussies from whatever this 155th traveling circus is supposed to be

    Our guys on Koshare were able to hold back a horde of jihadists while being bombed by entire technologically advanced world but these pampered overadvertized bitches can't even take a fúcking hamlet and pussy out and run away the moment someone dares to shoot back

    These pussies should be marched through a minefield to clear the path for Wagner, that way they will at least be good for something


    Buddy you are missing the whole point here. Russian strategy is not about occupying territory but destroying the Ukrainian military. Bomb the shit out of them, attack and then withdraw when they gather reinforcements and attack. Bomb the shit out of them, rinse and repeat! attack

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:26 pm

    Buddy you are missing the whole point here.

    No kidding! Laughing

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:26 pm

    Conflict between the pro-Maidan protesters and the Communists during the commemoration day of Stalingrad victory, at France.

    The clip was record from the point of view of pro-Maidan protesters.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:34 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/571451-ukrainians-dirty-work-esper/

    ‘Brave Ukrainians doing dirty work’, ex-Pentagon chief says in prank call pwnd pwnd pwnd pwnd

    In its conflict with Moscow, Kiev has taken up the job that Washington never wanted to do, Mark Esper said pwnd pwnd

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:36 pm

    can be intercepted quite easily.
    That´s why the record of the PAC-3 in Yemen is so fantastic.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:47 pm

    There have been at least 3 films like that. All revealed same time, and all smell fake from a mile distance if you are asking me.
    On the other hand, Ukrs have been caught red-handed staging such fakes pretending to be Russian-made, only to "debunk" them later as a part of agitprop.
    So I wouldn't dare to judge who was the author.

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:10 pm

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    Some dude visiting troops
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    Can´t wait for that to happen
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    Very Happy

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:24 pm

    Can´t wait for that to happen

    Piano string.
    And a short stool.

    Some dude visiting troops

    It's Shaman.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:53 pm

    Maybe a good idea to disperse the Wagner men among regular troops now , since they fight well and could motivate others . Also this removes petty competitiveness or jealousy between units . I think the danger of " criminals " fighting among regular troops and contaminating their moral fibre is minimal and secondary consideration now . " punishments " for cowardice and not advancing under fire , this is not good idea . Reward bravery and ignore cowardice is the best plan . See how the Ukrs are treating ( mistreating ) their men , who refuse to fight . Secondary roles should be allocated for those not ready for frontline duty . However extended service time may compensate for low risk posts ? Logistic , medical or catering or cleaning and repair or servicing .
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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:10 pm

    Damage Wagner's Su-24 sustained yesterday during flight mission. Plane was still on fire when it landed on the airport or, maybe, there was a new fire. Most importantly pilots are alive and well and plane can be repaired.

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