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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:37 pm

    Of course they did Laughing

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:40 pm

    the only thing Murmansk-BN can do is just block aircrafts communicating each other via voice HF. Krasukha-4 is needed or Divnomorye to jam radar. assuming if they want to even use this equipment in the war.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:42 pm

    Southbound Ukrainian grain ship has a problem and is blocking the Bosporus. There are 8 Turkish ships in the help squad.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:52 pm

    Disarmed NATO Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:54 pm

    They must have run out of Russian speakers Shocked

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    This is how employees of military registration and enlistment offices in Lviv block almost all entrances and exits to the city: the trapping is very intense.

    What kind of losses do the Armed Forces of Ukraine have if the moGilization is only gaining momentum every month

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:10 pm

    Will there be a cauldron in Bakhmut?
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    Post  thegopnik Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:03 pm

    This was a February 2, 2022 article before news articles start showing Ukrainians as gods of war. https://www.army-technology.com/features/russia-ukraine-tanks-t-64-t-72-t-14-invasion-nato/

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    Of course, Ukraine got a shit load of more tanks from the middle east like 100 T-72s from Morroco and post-soviet block countries, but a dim light is visible at the end of the tunnel for Russia while Ukraine is stuck in the catacombs of France with no rescue teams. Depending on when they are out of soviet tanks and switching to leopards, challengers and leclercs this war will be over before 2024 unless the U.S. wants to start sending Abrams or if Europe can afford to start tank production lines that can outproduce what gets destroyed in ukraine Laughing However, this proves that Russian loss claims make sense than what bullshit Oryx makes up if they are talking about supplying them with western tanks which will all get destroyed in the same manner. the next tanks Ukraine will have available for offensives is themselves with armored flesh and bones.

    Bakhmut is not captured but I will drink to this news with my own opinion. Razz

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:17 pm

    Realistically, Russia should have made it clear at the beginning of the conflict that any nation providing and shipping free military equipment to Ukraine was a belligerent in the war. Now every NATO state will contribute, adding hundreds or even thousands of MBTs and IFVs to Ukraine's inventory.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:18 pm

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:19 pm

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:49 pm

    With this BS, even more people will transfer to Wagner. Worst kind of people in any walk of life are bureaucrats and nitpickers.

    https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/21406

    I don’t know what this is connected with, but now serious new / old trends have begun in the troops. In addition to attempts to ban "unregulated" vehicles, front-line soldiers began to be strained by shaving their beards, cutting their hair and statutory uniform, which, to put it mildly, is difficult to comply with in advanced conditions. There are also problems with the prohibition of technical means, such as tablets and smartphones, which excludes the possibility of using quadcopters, electronic maps, etc. I really hope that this is a misunderstanding, someone misunderstood something, etc. Otherwise, it looks like sabotage. In addition to the fact that these requirements make it difficult to destroy the enemy, they also demoralize the fighters.

    It will also seriously affect the information, because in journalistic materials from the front line, a front-line soldier must be shaved, in a statutory uniform, a buttoned helmet and an optimistic gleam in his eyes. It will all end with the fact that the number of materials will be reduced by a factor of 100.

    I think it would be useful if the authorities thought about how to increase the motivation of their fighters, and not lower them with this farce. But I am sure that this is all a misunderstanding and this nonsense will not happen.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:32 pm

    To annex or not to annex.

    1) Russia is not Syria and a Banderite Daesh will not be doing much. By contrast occupation of western Ukria will require a
    pacification campaign and there will be an insurgency like there was in the years after WWII. Russia does not need the
    bad PR and the sacrifice. Let the shit stew in the outhouse.

    2) Biolabs are definitely a concern and here I advocate and Israeli style bomb on demand approach. Russia can identify such
    labs and does not need to restrain itself from sending over some missiles to trash them. Make the biolabs a permanent issue
    which justifies Russian defense measures. But NATzO can establish biolabs in Poland and the Baltics so this issue is not
    enough justification to bother with controlling the western Ukrian toilet.

    3) Western Ukraine without the south and east is an economic hole. Let NATzO pay to prop it up. The economic hole
    also acts as a suppression on the utility of this toilet as a base against Russia.

    4) Nuclear threats. It would make sense to take over and dismantle the power plants in the west. But this does not
    solve the problem since NATzO can supply rump Ukria spent fuel and other nuclear material. So this is the main argument
    for installation of a protectorate. But I believe that a proactive approach of bombing as with the biolabs is enough to
    avoid occupation and pacification. If some radiation gets spread around, then sobeit. It will not "spread all over Europe".

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:40 pm

    so nice of GM to make the GPS locator conveniently unpluggable

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:43 pm

    There are also problems with the prohibition of technical means, such as tablets and smartphones, which excludes the possibility of using quadcopters, electronic maps, etc.

    I think the prohibition on smartphones is restricted to those used to attract "HIMARS missile" and not those used to control drones...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:01 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Empty Pantsir-S boosters have been floating up on Romanian shores. Not related to today's events in Crimea (the currents aren't that swift..) but some earlier interceptions over the Black Sea.

    Last year, Bayraktar wrecks also floated up on RO beaches, almost certainly related to the "Snake Island" thing, where Ukraine spent twelve recently acquired TB-2s if I recall correctly, to finally defeat the two (?) Tor-M1s that were stationed there.

    Pantsir, not Tor. I've seen pics of 2 burned out Pantsir on the island, but no sign of any Tor AFAIK.

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:33 pm

    To the Serbs on this forum, pipe down please. You can larp as some Russia/China/BRIC loving people but we all know where you future lies. You're surrounded by NATO/EU nations. No need to act more Russian and militaristic than Russians themselves and demand they do things that are running around in those heads of yours. I mean...revenge fantasies against NATO that you want Russia to carry out in real world conflicts. It's embarrassing, please stop and calm the hell down! If Belarusians want to be like this, they can.....no one else please...It's just cringey at this point.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:43 pm


    I think the prohibition on smartphones is restricted to those used to attract "HIMARS missile" and not those used to control drones...

    No. Civilian contractors were there and were posting locations on social media, not the military guys.
    It was someone from higher-ups who fucked up, not the soldiers.

    Doesn’t explain shaving, uniform bit. This won’t be enforced, I guarantee

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:05 pm

    Both phones and tablets have to be used without SIM card. That comes without saying. But they are needed for operation of drones, arty, reconnaissance,...
    And rest of it, shaving, uniform, etc is just pure bullshit.
    What's puzzling to me is possible ban on donated vehicles. Some units have reported shortage of vehicles for evacuation of wounded, bringing up supplies etc...
    What's the logic behind that ban?

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:00 pm

    If the building was the actual target, and not the substation that lies in the trajectory and that would match all the other substations struck in the same wave, then this is an extremely callous war crime and whoever ordered it should be trialled and jailed.

    If that building was being used by the Kiev military as an HQ or some other such thing then hitting it is not a war crime... it is a mere continuation of what Kiev has been doing all along... using its own civilian population as a meat shield and when that meat shield gets bloody they cry about war crimes and other such nonsense, ignoring their own duty to protect their own citizens rather than using them to hide behind.

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    Terrorists and other utter fanatics may reason that any kind of collateral damage is excusable it (they don't care), but it is a crime. No two ways about it.

    The Orcs put artillery in malls and hid all sorts of things in hospitals and schools and churches, so if they hit that building on purpose then do you think they were going for civilians or military targets?

    It is not their job to protect Ukrainian civilians being used as meat shields... that is Kievs responsibility.

    Also kh-32 fly at 40 000m. Not many radars look at such high heights. Soviet p-18, p-14, p-19... have all less than 35km range limit in altitude.

    Kh-22 and Kh-22M operates at about 20-25km altitude...

    I guess radar absorbent covers could help them too, to make them more difficult to track for US satellite SAR reconnaissance etc? Just speculating, no expert on radar.

    In front line combat like this I would say IR camouflage would be more valuable, with thermal imagers widely deployed in handsets sniper scopes, drones and Javelin missiles etc etc.

    Zelensky laughs at the Minsk Accords in 2019 in Paris.

    Not laughing now...

    50 Chevrolet Tahoe SUVs, transferred to Ukraine by the American company General Motors for the evacuation of wounded civilians from the frontline zones, disappeared to no one knows where.

    Shopping trolleys for Ukrainian Oligarch wives no doubt.

    Realistically, Russia should have made it clear at the beginning of the conflict that any nation providing and shipping free military equipment to Ukraine was a belligerent in the war. Now every NATO state will contribute, adding hundreds or even thousands of MBTs and IFVs to Ukraine's inventory.

    But this assistance is not slowing down the rate at which the enemy are being killed and creating a huge cost to these western countries and greatly increasing the money they will be spending on defence which will impact their spending on their economies, and of course expensive weapons from partner countries is going to cause friction too.

    I think the prohibition on smartphones is restricted to those used to attract "HIMARS missile" and not those used to control drones...

    Funny though... in one breath it is military commands fault they locate groups of troops via phone signals, and now evil military command is trying to take cellphones from troops because they are evil and mean... poor military command... they are the Chinese and Russians all rolled in to one while certain members here are the western media who complain no matter what they do...

    Doesn’t explain shaving, uniform bit. This won’t be enforced, I guarantee

    Shaving is important if you want your gas mask to fit you properly... pale

    Both phones and tablets have to be used without SIM card. That comes without saying. But they are needed for operation of drones, arty, reconnaissance,...

    I rather suspect they would prefer devices they supply to be used for drones etc to avoid viruses and of course watsapp... type BS.

    What's puzzling to me is possible ban on donated vehicles.

    What is puzzling me is how naive you are... the enemy will use any opportunity you present to them...

    Some units have reported shortage of vehicles for evacuation of wounded, bringing up supplies etc...

    Shortages in war time... never happen... clown

    What's the logic behind that ban?

    A military that does not let you bring your own car to war... has never existed before... military forces hate rules and will always let you do as you please... and when the GPS tracking built into modern western SUVs or that apple watch or other spyware item gets you killed along with everyone around you you can jump up and down and complain about how stupid they all are again...

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:18 pm

    @GarryB
    Per usual, you have an answer to everything without knowing what you are talking about. Bulk of donated vehicles are Bukhankas, Lada Niva and other Russian vehicles.
    For example, this summer, 126th guardian brigade in Kherson didn't have vehicles for evacuation of the wounded and Wagner had to send them 4 vehicles. This is easy to check, as members of the brigade asked for vehicles in a video.
    Not to mention thousands of drones, night sights, laser rangefinders, Lobaev guns, medical kits and protective equipment people collected.
    Per MOD sources, army has enough of everything, problems are with Laos armed forces, as FB group mod says.
    Anyway, I know that this will fall on deaf ears with you, so I won't be bothering anymore.
    P.S. And Makeevka strike was a great example of uniforms blaming everything on regular soldiers in order not to take the blame.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:06 pm

    Loads of donated vehicles were converted into medivacs, I think someone from St. Petersburg managed to send real ambulance vehicles with all the equipment needed (not an easy thing to do for post-covid society) You can never have enough of these.

    Again, it sounds like another idiotic sabotaging decision that will be overturned when it will reach Kiseliov or other public speakers. Back in Stalin times, they would have shot those people for good measure. Only good thing is, that Moscow doesn’t have an absolute power and military has some freedoms. If they want all soldiers were same uniforms, maybe they should order proper ones as ratniks winter gear is absolute dogshit, a bare minimum while alternatives from Russian companies are great.

    No wonder Wagner is getting recruits who just finished their contracts and don’t even want to look at the army and their structure. Bad thing about wagner is that if you end up with your legs blown off, then one time payment will be all you will get. No pension, no nothing.

    Also, about beards, well, Russian SF seem to be rocking beards and are not worried about some poles farting after eating kielbasa. Honestly, who the hell will enforce this? I am starting to dislike idiots at Moscow who should just shut the **** up and let military do their job. They do nothing but tie their hands from the beginning

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:26 pm

    Russia needs another Nikolai Gogol to write about absurdity of Russian bureaucrats. In this case, in military.
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    Post  Backman Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:53 pm

    There are also problems with the prohibition of technical means, such as tablets and smartphones

    @caveatemperor

    Why are you implying that this is such an easy decision ? Mobilizing 500,000 men, just let them all carry their smartphones ?

    I doubt Wagners guys all have their smartphones in their pocket either.

    Doesn’t explain shaving, uniform bit. This won’t be enforced, I guarantee

    Not after the offensive begins. But clean shaven and stuff like this has been basic military disciplinary tradition since forever. They are training. Of course they are going to be under these conditions for now. Imagine pics surfaced of the guys, some with foot long beards, some with mohawks. The same posters would be like "wtf is this? blah blah"

    Some units have reported shortage of vehicles for evacuation of wounded, bringing up supplies etc...
    What's the logic behind that ban?

    It is a big complicated operation. Involving a hot war with the US. There's probably a good reason for most of it. But we wont know

    Both phones and tablets have to be used without SIM card.
    Yeah then there will be 100,000 soldiers sneaking sim cards in their socks

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