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    Shoigu is in Belarus and signed an defence agreement
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    Industrial area in Kramatorsk was hit by missiles

    West: Russia isn´t prepared for winter.
    Russians:
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:22 pm

    No buddy don't try to protect yourself now, You threw a hissy fit like you normally do and you are still doing it under the guise of trying to sound neutral.

    Also what you are saying has NOTHING to do with what I said, This is how you know people have no understanding.

    When you bring up separate matters to try and prove your case.

    My remark was about how Ukraine isn't running out of men that is all, I did not say anything about the othercrap your trying to bring up to cover your ass.

    So save it.

    People aren't robots. In the Ukraine, anyone with eyes and ears can see that over 100k have been killed already, at least as many as that heavily wounded or disabled, and there is no end to the war in sight or perspective of collapsing Russia or whatever, just an endless meat-grinder. Who's going to want to join in the party? Best to skip town instead.
    The calls for negotiations and concessions in the Ukraine are going to become deafening long before as you say, they run out of men in the most literal sense.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:19 pm

    Yet those bloodthirsty Anglosaxon motherfu#ckers want more of them to die, as that makes a good cash flow.
    They just desperately need scams. A multi-billion scam and the rotting corpse of 404 seem to have potential.
    The amounts frauded in Iraq or Afghanistan seem just a bargain if we see the numbers in the air now.
    But the whole of the fundament is different.
    Nobody will buy the debt any longer.
    Empty papers, worth less than toilet paper, because you can't wipe your arse with it.
    They still have some space, they can just rob the pensioners there, putting the pension funds on unpayable debts. But this hole has a bottom either.
    The west will choke with the magical frog they have created. Choke to death.

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    Post  Broski Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:44 pm

    It's funny how this map becomes more relevant with the passage of time, of course I'm rooting for the 1st outcome with a demilitarized, landlocked Ukraine.
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:11 pm

    For any of the likely outcomes the yellow region in the map needs to become a Russian protectorate. Like Japan is for the USA.
    NATzO cannot be allowed to re-arm and prop-up some rabidly anti-Russian (ethnic) regime like the one that was installed in 2014.
    So Russian needs to roll all the way to the Polish border under any circumstance. It does not need to assimilate the western part
    but it needs to put it on a leash.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:22 pm

    Actually, and we already discussed it many times, Russia cannot tollerate anymore the existence of a ukraine (even if only remaining in Galicia) which is russophobic and managed by the US or UE.
    So, the acceptable outcome for Russia is all of Novorussia integrated into the Russian federation, Malorussia (central Ukraine) either integrated or as Russian protectorate in the process of being later integrated into the RF, and North Western ukraine as a puppet state managed by Russia and with Russian military bases (and berkut riot police recruited from the areas that more suffered from the Ukrainians regime).

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    Post  Arrow Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:23 pm

    KVS to do what you write Russia needs to mobilize about 2 million soldiers.  Start a total war.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:00 pm

    To Broski...


    Regards, Broski... thumbsup

    There is a man here in Serbia who has a good relationship with Russian circumstances and has often been to Russia. Recently, he was a guest on a some television and said that the ORIGINAL Russian plan was for SMO to last, read carefully - until December 2023.
    So, quite the opposite of what they write in the West, how the operation "failed", how this or that happened. I am not writing that this man is right, but the Russians have their own game.

    My biggest disappointment during SMO has never been Russia and russian actions, but the fact how poisoned a good part of the population in Ukroshitstan is. Maybe some Russians on this forum will still call all of them "brothers" even though it seems to me that we in Serbia saw long before the Russians what kind of shit Ukrainians are. And that's why the only thing I blame some Russians here is that they indirectly or directly defend the red vermin.

    Broski, would you occupy Nikolaev where over 85% of the population declares themselves as Ukroshitstans ?
    I wouldn't, my friend. Nope !
    The Russians will look to kill them mercilessly, depopulate Ukraine, and prevent any entry into the NATO pact.
    These 4 areas are probably the plan, that is, the land corridor to Crimea. My doubt remains Kharkov and that's about it.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:17 pm

    The special operation in Ukraine will be completed when Russian troops reach the border with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova. This was stated by State Duma deputy Andrey Gurulev.

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    Kherson has still light. From time to time. 
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    Newest version of Zoopark in the Zone.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:50 pm

    To Broski...


    Regards, Broski...

    There is a man here in Serbia who has a good relationship with Russian circumstances and has often been to Russia. Recently, he was a guest on a some television and said that the ORIGINAL Russian plan was for SMO to last, read carefully - until December 2023.
    So, quite the opposite of what they write in the West, how the operation "failed", how this or that happened. I am not writing that this man is right, but the Russians have their own game.

    My biggest disappointment during SMO has never been Russia and russian actions, but the fact how poisoned a good part of the population in Ukroshitstan is. Maybe some Russians on this forum will still call all of them "brothers" even though it seems to me that we in Serbia saw long before the Russians what kind of shit Ukrainians are. And that's why the only thing I blame some Russians here is that they indirectly or directly defend the red vermin.

    Broski, would you occupy Nikolaev where over 85% of the population declares themselves as Ukroshitstans ?
    I wouldn't, my friend. Nope !
    The Russians will look to kill them mercilessly, depopulate Ukraine, and prevent any entry into the NATO pact.
    These 4 areas are probably the plan, that is, the land corridor to Crimea. My doubt remains Kharkov and that's about it.

    No-one is going to love you under any circumstance for bringing war to their home, where there was none before. It doesn't matter how close or not close they are or were to you. It's just a matter of self-interest.
    This is pretty much it. Most people think with no more far-sight than this.

    So I don't bother blaming ordinary Ukrainians. Nor do I deny them the right to their own separate identity and the desire for their own nation as every national identity is ultimately artificial if you look back far enough; the only criteria for whether one is 'real' is if the people themselves believe it is.

    I blame their elite. The elite which failed them, which sold the country as this NATO forward-base against Russia in the expectation that said Russia will collapse in weeks from sanctions and that they the Kiev elite will be there to profit.
    In reality though, they sacrificed their own people's future for an ill-thought out, futile desire. And this circumstance only serves as a continuation of the last 30 years of their corruption and self-serving policies; which converted the 2nd most populous ex-Soviet republic, with a higher average level of industrialization and development than Russia - into this agro-anarchic nationalist-infested oligarch-controlled poverty-striken husk, and now with a total war against Russia to deliver the coup de grace.

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    Post  limb Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:44 pm

    Good analysis by rybar.
    Assaulting even a single house inevitably leads to casaulties. Every taking of a tiny house takes hours of planning and perfect execution. This, while impressive, has no effect on the tactical or operational situation. Rybar states that its nearly impossible to take even a single donbass village in a meaningful timeframe. Advancing slowly also is still very costly for the russians. they still lose plenty of people assaulting single houses.

    https://t.me/rybar/41682

    🇬🇧🇺🇦 The storming of Pervomaisky development near Donetsk

    The RT channel in Russian @rt_russian continues to publish exclusive footage of the battles from the Donetsk direction. This time, the storming (https://t.me/rt_russian/138991) of Pervomaisky by forces of the 11th regiment of the NM of the DPR got into the lenses of the cameras of military envoy Andrey Filatov.

    The low-rise buildings of the settlement have been turned into complete ruins. Nevertheless, every house has to be cleared: without this, the offensive is impossible. The video is just one of the moments of the storming of the ruins in the private sector.

    A Russian serviceman turns out to be literally 10 meters away from a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, firing from a cellar. The copter operator notices the enemy in time and instructs to throw grenades at him. Judging by the background radio exchange, further on the identified target, the means of amplification began to work.

    Coordinates: 48.072730, 37.643075

    Filatov also talks about another episode, where a soldier of the 11th regiment with the call sign “Guide” was the first to run under fire to the enemy’s firing point and tried to destroy seven members of the Ukrainian formations who had settled there. It cost him his life, but thanks to the feat, his colleagues were able to get close to the house.

    During the inspection of the building, soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who pretended to be dead opened fire and wounded one of the servicemen. The moment of his evacuation on a stretcher to the rear got into the frame. After that, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation completely cleared the building.

    🔻The video shows the complexity of the battles in low-rise buildings. The attackers are in full view, which greatly complicates the offensive. Even clearing the enemy's cover does not guarantee advancement: an assault group can be cut off by fire on supply routes and forced to leave their position.

    The surest way to avoid such battles is through deep breakthroughs of the front, when, under the threat of encirclement, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be forced to leave the defense lines they have been accustomed to since 2014.

    In a different scenario, it will take a very long time to gnaw through the Ukrainian defenses meter by meter to liberate Russian territory.
    #Donetsk #Pervomaiskoye #Russia #Ukraine
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    The ukrainian morale doesn't get affected by losses. They have full faith that NATO will infinitely supply them and that theyre fighting to preserve their "ethnicity". They lose morale through territory loss.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Likely to be an increasing problem, transformer suicide.

    I expect the Ukrops have some poor sod tasked 24/7 with hosing down the transformers to keep them cool... Razz
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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:42 pm

    FP wrote: People aren't robots. In the Ukraine, anyone with eyes and ears can see that over 100k have been killed already, at least as many as that heavily wounded or disabled, and there is no end to the war in sight or perspective of collapsing Russia or whatever, just an endless meat-grinder. Who's going to want to join in the party? Best to skip town instead.
    The calls for negotiations and concessions in the Ukraine are going to become deafening long before as you say, they run out of men in the most literal sense.

    As long as Kievites and other urbanites are not being used in the frontlines, it doesn’t matter how many peasangs they throw into the meatgrinder. Many reports about villages turning into graveyards with women and children whailing. Muzhiks are voiceless, unheard, have no connections and their supply is still vast in Ukraine. I just wonder what will happen to Ukrainian workforce after this is over.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:50 pm

    Hole, there are a couple pics of Russian troops at computer consoles. I understand masks in the battlefield to avoid facial recognition. Are the pics indoor for that purposes or is there also a certain fear of COVID as well? Second, to Hole and anyone else, I am beginning to see on some twitter feeds that Russian forces may or may not be massing on Ukraine's border's again has anyone else heard or seen this? Third, any special Advent deliveries made by Russian air and rocket forces lately?
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:36 am

    The "shadow fleet" of 100 tankers is to prevent NATzO from engaging in high seas piracy like it does with Iranian oil tankers.
    If the US tries to hijack a Russian oil tanker it may find some of its naval assets at the bottom of the ocean.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:50 am

    Arrow wrote:KVS to do what you write Russia needs to mobilize about 2 million soldiers. Start a total war.

    Nah, you just need 2 million bombs (applied without pussyfooting)


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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:09 am

    More to the point, how many graves can you dig before you run out of people to dig them?

    When you control the media and lie to your people then getting them to queue up to dig is easier to get them to queue up to fight and die, but the truth gets out eventually, there are mentions by Ukrainians themselves about all those thousands of young men in the rear areas with camo jackets and rifles that don't seem to have any interest in heading closer to the front... some will be protected but eventually even they will have to step up... the longer this goes on and the more people don't come back... well didn't the Soviets get experience in the first world war when their best trained troops were held in reserve and sat and waited and after quite a bit of time realised how futile the conflict was and when it came time to fight they revolted to end the conflict which they realised was nothing to do with Russia to begin with...

    Perhaps Ukrainian forces will have a similar revelation... or maybe not.

    Damn these Nazi bastards and the Western cnts who support them. So many decent people are going to die before this disgusting regime and its perverted ideology is crushed. History does repeat itself, not just rhyme.

    Wasn't it Bugs Bunny who said all Evil needs is for good men to do nothing... of course being cynical it sounds like the sort of thing a politician would say to motivate the west to invade Iraq or Syria because X leader is bad.

    You can claim Ukraine is running out of bodies but that clearly isn't the case, why do people keep repeating this false myth I don't know.

    They would be running out if they were human and had any morals and ethics the west prides itself upon, but in actual fact this is a war between the west and Russia and it is being paid for in Ukrainian blood, which as a currency seems to be worthless to everyone on the Ukrainian side... so of course they are going to run out.

    See now this is flamebaiting from the man child, the second someone says something he doesn't like he lashes out.

    I could say you started it...

    My remark was about how Ukraine isn't running out of men that is all, I did not say anything about the othercrap your trying to bring up to cover your ass.

    So drafting women means nothing at all....

    BREAKING: Zelensky is banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

    Didn't they split the Ukrainian Orthodox Church away from the Russian Orthodox Church already... now they are banning their own branch of the church to rob it... probably lots of property and gold and valuable antiquities to sell on the black market... this will alienate a lot of Ukrainians and only enrich a small few.

    But I think the Russian government is making a mistake with the size of the force it is going to engage. They should have mobilized
    2 million and rolled over all of Ukraine. With 380,000 extra troops they can't do this without over-stretching.

    Depends on what they intend to do, I would think Kiev is wanting its own offensive attack to keep the money flowing... they don't care about their own losses, the real question is what will happen to the Orc forces if Russia makes several breakthroughs in several places at once... will they try to fall back to avoid being encircled, will they move out into the open and get slaughtered, or will they just realise their position is hopeless and surrender.

    The issue is how many nazis and hard core zealots are there left and are they in a position to "motivate" the rest of the troops around them... hitting HQs and comms centres and weapons and ammo caches should reduce numbers of nazis because such away from front line locations are places such people hide...

    It really all comes down to how much they will take before they realise it is not the Russians that are their enemy.... some might never come to that realisation of course.

    If Ukraine was running out of bodies, it would not take 10 months to liberate a small village

    Meanwhile Ukraine managed to take Kherson, Kharkov, Kiev, and other cities back within the same time frame

    Stay objective - fanboyism clouds the judgement

    Liberating the village is not the goal, exterminating the orcs that defend the village is the goal and that is continuing just nicely.

    KVS to do what you write Russia needs to mobilize about 2 million soldiers. Start a total war.

    When Kiev collapses and the military turns on its politicians wanting war and puts in politicians wanting peace then Russia can dictate terms.

    Or the war continues.

    Broski, would you occupy Nikolaev where over 85% of the population declares themselves as Ukroshitstans ?
    I wouldn't, my friend. Nope !
    The Russians will look to kill them mercilessly, depopulate Ukraine, and prevent any entry into the NATO pact.
    These 4 areas are probably the plan, that is, the land corridor to Crimea. My doubt remains Kharkov and that's about it.

    They don't have to kill them, those that spoke Russia learned to speak Ukrainian, those that wanted to speak Ukrainian can learn to do as they are told again.

    Rybar states that its nearly impossible to take even a single donbass village in a meaningful timeframe. Advancing slowly also is still very costly for the russians. they still lose plenty of people assaulting single houses.

    Continue with the western propaganda Limb, you family will love you being such a nazi supporter I guess... how is aunty Goebells?

    Just look at the title you posted in your quote... the first two symbols are British and Ukrainian flags... but you post it here like it is a Russian saying this...

    Your help to your enemy is being rewarded I hope... selling out your people for free is worse than doing it for money.

    Nah, you just need 2 million bombs (applied without pussyfooting)

    Who knows when the Orc army will collapse, but when they do there will be plenty who change sides and want to defend the town or city or village they came from from the bastards they have been fighting for these last 8 years...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:59 am

    Bearing in mind all the talk about the West regarding the SMO in Ukroshitstan, I am sure that there are only two countries in the West that make their own policies, that is, the USA and the UK - read England.
    Whatever one may think of the English (it turns out that the fact is that they are the most intelligent nation in Europe) while it is also a fact that the rest of European civilizations are literally peasants compared to them.
    The whole EU is a bitch of Brussels, which is the head office that executes orders from the White House.
    So in Europe we have Russia, the UK, as well as the EU peasants - that's all..

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:39 am

    This puts it really well and concisely.

    Von Clownsewitz's War College
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    "A big difference of course is that the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia worked out in our interests, so it is permissible, while Russia doing it does not work to our interest, and is therefore not permissible"


    Meanwhile, rumbling away in the background is the 'purchase' of Ukraine by US interests.

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    The signing of the “Memorandum of Understanding” between the financial department of Ukraine and the BlackRock investment company speaks of the actual sale of Ukraine, said ex-deputy of the Rada Ilya Kiva.

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