Russian special military operation in Ukraine #33

* nazi troll whose mother should be xyz-d

And it's not pro-Russia, but pro-Kremlin. Being pro Russia means that you hold the country and its leadership to a certain standard, something which is clearly hasn't happened for a long time.

I wonder if any Russian missile uses GNSS in Ukraine. Export versions certainly does.

Anyway, the point is the success of Iran's Shahed-136 4-channel fused (jamming hardened) GNSS receiver is a good justification for relying on GNSS with its point-strike ballistic missiles

S-136's low speed and low-grade IMU requires updates till the last ~1-2km.

New post  AMCXXL Today at 8:09 am

I agree because while in Europe they are talking about this winter, Europe is waiting for a not so nice spring, summer and certainly an even harder next winter.
GARRY, throw in some WINTER emoticons - it's time...
This will most likely mean that RAFALEMAN (**** Superman and Batman) Isos will be driving Chinese cars in the future.

BBC would had to stick to official UK based data and call for 200k ...
And you do know how much victorious would that sound ...

How could the Russians have destroyed 6,000 Ukr tanks? The entire UAF does not have 1,000 tanks.

Rob Lee
@RALee85
"A third of the roughly 350 Western-made howitzers donated to Kyiv are out of action at any given time, according to U.S. defense officials and others familiar with Ukraine’s defense needs." @Tmgneff
@johnismay

https://nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html

For the students in body language among us

You got to hand it to the Russians. Clearly an attempt to keep their kin warm in this cold weather.

zare wrote:The thing is, if you don't comment day by day and especially if you're not so tied to block politics, it's still not clear to me what are the acceptable endgame scenarios for Russia.

Demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. That is what Putin said.

zare wrote:Lets presume even if Ukraine signs off territory (defeat), that they'll keep on training the anti-Russian military forces in their sovereign territory. Even if Russia had supervision there (which is something I guess Ukrainians will never sign), it would still go on.

Actually that is exactly what Ukraine need to do if they want to retain even a modicum of independence. Just like Finland had to do after the Continuation War. But I think the Russians would be fools to accept it. Although knowing Putin he might do that. Accept Ukrainian neutrality with stationing of Russian troops in Ukrainian territory after comprehensive laying down of arms by their army.

zare wrote:I mean it's a problem today for USA to hand out 15.000 shells daily, but it won't be a problem tomorrow if they set their minds to it. Let's not kid ourselves these are the people that went to the moon from an underdog position.

For me the issue is that west public has a quite of slice of people that are hell bent on "defeating Russia". Regardless of Ukraine, both the spirit of nation and the territory, there is no peace after this, it's Cold War 2.0 and even peace in Europe will turn itself into arms race and heavy militarization of everyone involved.

It will mean the degradation of the economic power of the West at the same time China continues growing. Not that they were not headed there already anyway.

zare wrote:RF on itself cannot win a prolonged arms/tech race, USSR couldn't. IMO. RF's competitiveness is not only in cheaper labour and materials and cheaper MIC overall, but also in the fact that American cots and EU milspec components were available to them up to ~10 years ago. There is also ever present fact that RF simply doesn't order enough of its own stuff and especially the cutting edge projects. Every other vapourware shit American MIC "pilot project" gets billions and years of funding.

USSR did for like 40 years. And they did not have China to rely upon for technical assistance. You also ignore Russian history. They have many periods of closing off to the West for security reasons, economic decay as a result, then opening up again. It is just that phase right now. The thing is the West can never accept Russia as anything other than a resource colony. So that always leads to attempts to destabilize and infiltrate Russia. But Russia does not allow itself to be conquered that easily.

zare wrote:Regardless how war in Ukraine turns out, heavy times are ahead of Russia. Things are never going to be the same. Chinese-Russian rapport has been largely based on one-sided cutting edge tech transfers. China is developing faster than Russia by definition, so that's not a reason for stable alliance.

I think that has been more due to Russian perception of Chinese industrial products as somehow inferior to Western ones than any problem with the Chinese not wanting to provide support. But I think that is largely due to historical perceptions more than anything else.

JohninMK wrote:Rob Lee
@RALee85
"A third of the roughly 350 Western-made howitzers donated to Kyiv are out of action at any given time, according to U.S. defense officials and others familiar with Ukraine’s defense needs." @Tmgneff
@johnismay

A nice long supply line there. Your artillery's barrel needs to be replaced somewhere in Zaporozhie. So you have to take it all the way from there, to Poland, and then all the way back. Lots of time, lots of fuel, lots of opportunities for interdiction.

Of course one can't assume NATO is telling the truth here. Could well be that the Ukraine has set up some hidden workshops for changing barrels. Wouldn't have to be a large facility.

AMCXXL wrote:
Has the West fallen into a Russian trap in Ukraine?

Well despite the attempts at dressing up any development as a premeditated cunning plan, no I don't think what's happening now was part of anyone's intention.

And I don't know what the Russian political and military leadership calculated what was likely to happen, but evidently they did hope the Ukraine to capitulate quickly, ideally when Russian forces advanced on Kiev. When that failed, they hoped to negotiate a settlement in March/April.

However Russia was a smart gambler, and did prepare for a long war nevertheless, a long attritional war and a long economic war, and took all necessary steps. And it's this preparation which explains why the West is now 'trapped'. Exactly because the West didn't prepare for that.

This one is for Isos since he likes seeing CAESAR artillery units getting wrecked.

Related to the economic part of the SMO

I was the first to share that video...

And frankly it was time they destroy one. Those systems are on the front for months now.

@JohninMK

Is that white phosphorus or thermite?

From other videos of white phosphorus it left a lot of white smoke, since it is used for lying down a thick smoke screen. However, here it's rather thin and you still can see through it.