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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #33

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    Post  Erk Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:59 am

    GaryB wrote:

    Israels missile shield lets through all sorts of things... the US missile shield let civilian airliners fly into the Pentagon for goodness sake.
    Yes, the US missile shield did LET airliners attack, the shield didn't fail, it didn't respond by choice.

    The point I was trying to make was the drone covered a lot of distance, it should have been intercepted several times before it got to the air base. Unless it was launched in Russia nearby.

    All the missile shield has to do is let through 1 nuke and Moscow is toast.


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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:03 am

    Maybe they will upgrade a shiton of su-27 since they know they are low on numbers for their su-30 and su-35.

    Not a perfect solution but they are still good to carry precision guided munition and use r-77-1 as well as r-37. With data link they can be used as missile trucks, su-57 painting targets with its radars and those su-27 launching r-37 behind him.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:08 am

    Erk wrote:
    All the missile shield has to do is let through 1 nuke and Moscow is toast.

    If Moscow got nuked whats makes you think Washington will not get toast?

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    Post  nomadski Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:12 am

    Perhaps because Russia is huge , then Radar cover may be patchy in places , this of course will be known by yanks . In Iraq ,they programmed their cruise missiles to weave through the bald patches . The problem of detection may become harder , if this drones flies low etc . I doubt that Ukrs  will have production capability now , with all these electrical problems . However to be safe , alternate methods of detection , such as acoustic , can be used . Concentrated detection in small geographic area , near border , will be more effective , than detection inland , covering large area . Russian planes can , when crossing border , fly low , in specific location , allowing manual or automatic acoustic / visual detection . Anything else crossing border is then a target . Are there good acoustic sensors available , to operate at low level ? Higher altitude more easily covered by Radar ?

    https://anti-drone.eu/products/acoustic-sensors/

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    Post  PhSt Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:30 am

    This war is taking too long and is enabling the Ukra NATzO Nazis opportunity to claim insignificant propaganda victories, Russia needs to up the escalation notch and start bombarding Ukro Nazi cities with more thermobaric weapons. Turn every city block in Kiev into a smoldering rubble along with cities in Western Pukraine. Make life become extreme hard and unbearable for all Pukrainian Nazis. Again I call on the Russian military to vaporize all food storage, water facilities and logistics meant to feed the Pukrainians. Starve them all to death. This is a war of extermination. The sooner NATzO realize that Russia is prepared to exterminate her enemies, the sooner NATzO will capitulate, unless they seek mutual destruction attack attack attack

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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:31 am

    Dying for western imperialism. Stupid ukrainians.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:35 am


    Where or when those wrecked drone pictures you provided were taken?

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/13407?single

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/12965?single
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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:59 am

    Why is he bending like it's japan ? He is as lost as Biden, poor guy.

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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:09 pm

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:16 pm

    The Ukrainians have moved a lot of reinforcements into the area and will stand and fight for it. 
    Great, so the Russians don´t have to move their artillery to kill them.

    Russia's missile shield around Moscow is not impenetrable. 
    What has a low-flying drone flying in the south of Russia to do with the missile shield around Moscow?  Suspect


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    There was already information that at sub-zero temperatures NATO armored vehicles do not start engines, wheeled vehicles crumble rubber, unable to withstand even relatively mild frosts.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:21 pm

    It was never intended for that.
    There is no bomb drop mechanism, any kind of targeting system, or any way to determine the detailed location of target/bob drop point.
    It is an ad hoc made Fred Flinstone level "upgrade" for a sole purpose only - to increase the damage level in terror attacks.

    No, you are right, it was never intended for that, but the Orcs have had 8 months at least and probably longer to figure out how to add GPS guidance to these things with the military signal no doubt rather than the civilian receivers to get this thing working... it already flew waypoints so adding Navstar should boost accuracy to the point where it needed to be shot down or it might have hit something rather important.

    It is preprogrammed for it's mission before starting. "on board computer" that carries the data is the same level as for Su-17, and operates the same principia. Needs to be taken out, programmed in a special station, loaded back and voila. It uses only the inertial navigation subsystem.
    It does not transmit any data back to the station, just flies at designed route. Recon suite is a camera, IR receiver and EM receiver that are being activated by a time shutter - on board mechanical clock with preset time to "operate".

    The original had to return with the data for analysis, but a suicide drone does not so you effectively double its range for a one way mission.

    I have marked at least 8 Tors covering the base and a full divisional set of S-400.

    One of which probably shot it down.

    Yes, the US missile shield did LET airliners attack, the shield didn't fail, it didn't respond by choice.

    Not true at all, they didn't know what was happening at the time because they were not expecting it, but they bomb countries around the planet, how could they not expect to be attacked?

    Especially when OBL had already tried several times to hit the WTC and failed.

    The point I was trying to make was the drone covered a lot of distance, it should have been intercepted several times before it got to the air base. Unless it was launched in Russia nearby.

    Why... do you think it would appear on radar with a big circle around it saying this belongs to the bad guys?

    Airliners operate with transponders which makes them appear on civilian radar and identifies them as civilian aircraft... how hard would it be to put a civilian transponder on this drone and fly it through a civilian air corridor pretending to be innocent before descending to very low altitude near a nearby runway and continue to the target from there at very low altitude?

    Do you think the Orcs will play fair?

    All the missile shield has to do is let through 1 nuke and Moscow is toast.

    It would take more than one nuke to destroy a city the size of Moscow, and the air defences around Moscow would be harder to penetrate... and such an attack would be suicide.

    Maybe they will upgrade a shiton of su-27 since they know they are low on numbers for their su-30 and su-35.

    For what?

    Against drone attacks ground launched SAMs makes more sense.

    Selling Javelins... sounds like the worms are turning... and like they weren't already selling Javelins...

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    Post  Arrow Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:24 pm


    Frustrated Zoka Laughing

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    Post  mr_hd Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:31 pm

    In military terms, make no mistake, drone attack from Ukraine is huge thing. Ukraine demonstrated that can hit the targets hundreds of kilometers inside of Russian territory. It does not matter that they used museum weapons with quite big limits. Those are not so important technicalities. What they did was to address one of the last supreme advantages that Russia has - long range missiles and bombers. From the beginning of war Ukraine rose each time to challenge Russia whenever Russia introduced new tactic or weapon into the fight. This was done systematically. So now Russia is basically running out of any meaningful/practical ways to increase cycle of violence in cheap and secure way for its troops.
    Just imagine that those drones were sent to hit some transport or energy nodes around bigger city in Russia, even Moscow lol. Can you imagine AD systems shooting over the city, citizens in the shelters and no electricity or heating? Well, that scenario is not fantasy any more.

    Anyway, Ukraine is working hard on new long-range drone, there are some info that they are doing already some of the testing for it. Also, US is discussing to send gliding bombs to Ukraine that can increase range to 150km of precision strikes, they think that already in spring it could be delivered.

    Real problem for Russia is, its military is huge, it relies on numerical advantage, and it is made for defense - but in Ukraine it needs to project power, it is understaffed and has huge logistical issues.
    All those things make it slow, inefficient and predictable.
    And Ukraine so far is well aware of those things and use it so far incredibly well.

    Spring will not bring good things for Russia, its prospects in Ukraine will continue to deteriorate and price of involvement there will continue to rise in human, equipment and financial costs. Its prestige as big military power is already quite undermined on global level - that is direct result of war in Ukraine. Stay tuned.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:41 pm

    Arrow wrote:Frustrated Zoka

    I think you mean retarded idiot...

    Wars are won by destroying the enemies military and taking away his ability to resist. If Russia had tried to hold all of this territory it would extend the frontlines by factor of 3x and would have been impossible to defend under SMO manpower levels.

    I'm becoming increasingly intolerant of these fckin morons who just won't learn...

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:52 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Anyway, Ukraine is working hard on new long-range drone, there are some info that they are doing already some of the testing for it. Also, US is discussing to send gliding bombs to Ukraine that can increase range to 150km of precision strikes, they think that already in spring it could be delivered.

    Where were this engineering talent in 2014's or prior ?

    You know. Ukraine actually inherited about 50% of ex-Soviet technology and manufacturing capability and with big names like Arsenal design bureau, Luch, Kharkiv-Morozov, Lvov tank plant. I would think Ukraine will actually face Russia with hordes of Grom ballistic missiles and a Legit cruise missile they showed alongside it back in i recalled IDEX. Some of these design bureaus and plants were NOT in Russia thus created some issues like plant that make D-18T engine.

    Like They should be able to do alot more than sending drones tbh. Well with Western financial aid they can actually order massed Mugin drones from China and use them the same manner as Geran yet this does not seem to materialize.

    mr_hd wrote:
    Real problem for Russia is, its military is huge, it relies on numerical advantage, and it is made for defense - but in Ukraine it needs to project power, it is understaffed and has huge logistical issues.
    All those things make it slow, inefficient and predictable.

    I am actually see it more into political problem tho. Especially logistics.. well Considering their artillery never really stops firing and their factories keep making stuff and let's not forget citizens that actually crowd fund the thing

    mr_hd wrote:Just imagine that those drones were sent to hit some transport or energy nodes around bigger city in Russia, even Moscow lol. Can you imagine AD systems shooting over the city, citizens in the shelters and no electricity or heating? Well, that scenario is not fantasy any more.

    They already have the capability long time ago, like where have you been when drones flying over Crimea etc. You know commercial drone can fly far even small Orlan can actually have 1500 Km range. But where is this swarm of drones. and 100 Mugin drones only cost about 1.5 M USD like where were these ?

    Or maybe they did but Russian air defense work better than you imagine.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:30 am

    Just imagine that those drones were sent to hit some transport or energy nodes around bigger city in Russia, even Moscow lol. Can you imagine AD systems shooting over the city, citizens in the shelters and no electricity or heating? Well, that scenario is not fantasy any more.

    Of course it is fantasy, like most of what you are saying, it took hundreds of missiles with large warheads and direct hits over several nights to degrade the Ukrainian electricity network to the point where they stopped exporting power and started to have blackouts, and the state the Ukrainian electricity grid was in was likely not wonderful to begin with... you think the nazis in Kiev can emulate that with a few drones, most of which are going to be shot down anyway.

    It will be interesting what this little stage show is going to cost the Ukrainian people... I am sure they are getting close to letting Zelensky know how they really feel... either with the guns he handed out to them or their feet... creating a new refuge crisis for Europe.

    Either way it is all good for Russia.

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