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    Post  mnztr Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:31 am

    Erk wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:Since the start of the special military operation, Russia has launched more than 7,000 missile strikes. The depth of the failure of foreign intelligence services, which were unable to even imagine the approximate number of high-precision weapons available in Russia, is simply amazing.
    P.S. Do you really think that Russia is close to exhausting its stock of missile weapons? Wink

    Where did Russia get the 7,000 washing machines to rat?


    We have had precision guided weapons for 50+ years now. The chips you need for PGMs are not at all special, expensive or limited to Western production. look at all the microprocessors you can buy on Aliexpress and you will get an idea of just what a joke this idea of Russia running out of chips for PGMs is. You can buy a GPS tracker chip for $27 at retail price. Imagine if you wanted to buy 25000 what price you would get. lol.

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:46 am

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/nnwlaOOuDM1W/ channel filled with videos of the war uploaded almost every day.

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:47 am

    The claim that Russia uses washing machine ICs in its missiles is moronic BS. The scope of these ICs is much more limited than
    those one would use for missile guidance and control. I have not seen any washing machine that has any PC-like functionality.
    It has some limited set of washing modes that do not require much. Maybe newer machines use more advanced control chips but
    not so long ago they used 6502 variants. This is an 8 bit CPU from 1975.

    Western coverage of Russian technology is racist excrement. These degenerates go around talking as if Russian cruise missiles
    are some backyard hacks. Even the Geran-2 has a seriously upgraded guidance computer that changed the game from the original
    Iranian design.

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    Post  Erk Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:58 am

    mnztr wrote:

    We have had precision guided weapons for 50+ years now. The chips you need for PGMs are not at all special, expensive or limited to Western production. look at all the microprocessors you can buy on Aliexpress and you will get an idea of just what a joke this idea of Russia running out of chips for PGMs is. You can buy a GPS tracker chip for $27 at retail price. Imagine if you wanted to buy 25000 what price you would get. lol.
    All jokes aside, Russia have been producing micro-electronics since 1964 at Mikron.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikron_Group
    https://en.mikron.ru/

    Though western propaganda would have you think that it's all imported/sanctioned.

    The smallest fab Mikron do is 65nm which is about Intel Core 2 Duo vintage fab, but the Russian processors are more sophisticated than that.
    They have their own advanced instruction sets.

    If Russia need smaller fab lines, then they can go to China which has about 70 semi-conductor fab plants, going down to at least 14nm, probably smaller by now.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:45 am

    They have both Mikron and Angstrem-T.

    Angstrem-T is basically the equipment of the old AMD Fab 30 at Dresden which used to produce the Athlon 64. When operating at its peak it made millions of processors a year.

    https://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1581/

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:08 am

    have some laughs.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:13 am

    The first two posts of this thread included conversations... I have now edited them to show users what they should look like... I should not have to do this... I will not continue to do this.

    FPs first post I removed several other comments and left the one he was replying to because it was the first post in this thread and leaving that post allows you to see what he is talking about without having to open the previous thread. The next response by Limb however did not have to repeat the entire conversation as it was a reply to the post directly above it.

    Neither poster knew this was going to become a new thread (thanks George) so I am editing instead of banning.

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    Post  Krepost Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:23 am

    From previous thread

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    This is the supersonic AShM variant if I'm not mistaken, 3M54T?. I haven't before seen a pic of one of these launchs

    Here is the best available picture of that missile:

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:00 am

    Krepost wrote:From previous thread

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    This is the supersonic AShM variant if I'm not mistaken, 3M54T?. I haven't before seen a pic of one of these launchs

    Here is the best available picture of that missile:

    Thats a Chinese warship. Is that image a photoshop? I wasn't aware their VLS systems were compatble with UKSK-compatible ordnance. If so, have the PLAN purchased Kalibres or manufacture under license?
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    Post  Krepost Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:04 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Krepost wrote:From previous thread

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    This is the supersonic AShM variant if I'm not mistaken, 3M54T?. I haven't before seen a pic of one of these launchs

    Here is the best available picture of that missile:

    Thats a Chinese warship.   Is that image a photoshop?  I wasn't aware their VLS systems were compatble with UKSK-compatible ordnance. If so, have the PLAN purchased Kalibres or manufacture under license?

    That is a cover of a Magazine that appeared a couple of years ago.
    The rest of your questions are valid, but will remain unanswered.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:05 am

    Russian glonass rounds are designed, but they havent been mass produced. Guided rounds are better against groups of troops and SPGs. Laser guided rounds are exactly used in order not to waste ammo0 on a grid square

    GLONASS rounds are only useful against things that don't or can't move like a bridge or building.

    Laser guided rounds are very useful against moving and stationary point targets and are used widely by Russia.

    When the target in question is a large number of enemy forces moving forward in vehicles (civilian vehicles these days) and on foot then filling the target area with fragments as quickly as possible is the best solution... picking off one vehicle at a time is slow and expensive... firing a volley of Grads or even Pinocchio rockets is an excellent way of rapidly saturating an area with fragments and fire with much less time to escape.

    In fact if you use your brain and think for a moment... a batch of enemy troops rushes forward firing at them with guided rounds is a slow and very inefficient way of dealing with the threat and when the Russian ground forces are thin then a massed rush would be impossible to stop with guided rounds.

    With dumb rounds you just shower the area over and over and over and you can bet they will stop trying to run through that deluge.

    They are not named after storms for nothing.

    Artillery is intended to hit area targets rapidly and fixed targets like trench lines over long periods.

    A sniper rifle is no replacement for a machine gun even if round for round it is more effective... in terms of cost each sniper round costs more than 100 machine gun rounds.

    How many thousands of targets are presented in each attack... do you expect thousands of drones to lase targets or calculate coordinates... because an advancing enemy means coordinates expire in seconds because the target has moved away. Area coordinates are good for much longer and allow an area the enemy are going to pass through to be hit with everything you have... and just one drone will tell you when the bulk of the enemy forces are in the kill zone... open fire.

    On a positive note, a brainwashed right wing whore thought she would have a nice safari shelling rusnya from avdeyevka, but she doen fucked up.

    Interestingly there is a post on the medical thread about new 3d printing technology to help with the loss of a leg... it mentioned a Russian soldier whose foot was either lost or destroyed to the point that it had to be removed and they built him a new one with stem cells and 3D printing... said he would be back at work in 4 months...

    Lolzz Very Happy what added electronic countermeasures?

    Now that they are being blow out of the sky by IRIS-T you came up with your own propaganda.

    Not at all... if you had been paying attention you would have noticed videos of SAMs approaching Russian cruise missiles and then turning away and exploding in mid air... this is because of onboard countermeasures.... the Soviets had them in their anti ship missiles and now have them in cruise missiles and ballistic missiles too.

    IIR guided missiles would not be effected by jammers of the types used but I am sure the Russians will take the time to update their systems and equipment.

    If a Syrian Su-22 can evade AIM-9X missiles by launching flares I am sure Russian cruise missiles can do the same...

    7000 missiles? Not even the US has 7000 missiles in its arsenal.

    STOP counting washing machines as missiles.

    Because they are too expensive to buy in the numbers they need for a real war.

    The west expects to control the air in any conflict they are involved with so not having thousands of cruise missiles is OK because they can drop bombs too from stealth bombers... but only against third world countries of course.

    They helped fund and train these, nazi rat bastards, fk them. They fully deserve it, the western world will have to deal with their own creation of terror groups, extremists etc, when they come back home. Screw them.

    Not the first time and wont be the last... that boston marathon bomber that was a chechen rebel springs to mind immediately and of course Osama Bin Laden was on the payroll in the 1980s against the Soviets in Afghanistan... even Saddam was Americas best friend in the 1980s when he fought Iran...

    The west thinks the enemy of my enemy is my friend... but that is only true if they share your values and ethics... if you have more in common with your enemy than these guys they are not your friend... you are just using them for cannon fodder and don't expect them to love you for it when it is all over.

    The US used China against the Soviet Union... how friendly are they now?

    Some context for the withdrawal ("retreat") from the west bank of the Dnepr River by Russians forces: winter is coming and
    the river freezes over. This f*cks up supply lines since the ice prevents use of boats but is not good enough to drive trucks
    over. Shelling by Kiev regime forces can easily disrupt any attempt to supply over ice. Even if you can set up a pontoon bridge
    and not have the ice drag it away, the shelling can destroy it.

    The most dangerous period of the battle of Stalingrad was when the river freezes because for a long period it has too much ice in it to sail across in boats but not enough ice to drive over. There were several situations where troops being sent over at night were not fully equipped.... certainly not the one man gets a rifle and one man get a clip of ammo.... more like one soldier in ten didn't have a rifle, but there were plenty of fire arms when they got to the other side of course.

    Well any advent gifts sent via airmail to the nazis today?

    One serious advantage of Iranian flowers is that Iranian designed and Russian built Geraniums flower even in snowstorms because their GLONASS guidance works even with zero visibility...

    I think the whole rationale of Russia running out of cruise missiles and fuel is based on poor Western intelligence. And the worst thing is these Western politicians still have not learned after all this time and continue saying the same bullshit.

    Western politicians would rather repeat their own intel than be right. When Trump said Putin didn't try to kill the Skrypals the western news media accused him of believing Putin over his own intel services.

    Ironically those same services all worked together to try to discredit him and get him kicked out of office so he would be right not to trust them anyway.

    So I would not be surprised if Russia also ended up with some chips like that. But it will not be Russia removing the chips out of appliances that is for sure. It will be someone in China or Vietnam.

    Don't they make those sort of chips themselves... we are not talking 11 nm chips for a cruise missile... more like 90nm or bigger.

    I have noticed that the western news media and MIC establishment makes gloomy claims about Russia its mostly projection plain and simple.

    Western propaganda generally paints Russia as an evil west so when the west struggles to send a dozen artillery vehicles to Kiev and the ammo it would use in a day then obviously Russia must be struggling to keep the hundreds of guns and rocket launchers supplied with millions of rounds of ammo... up until the Syrian war started the west didn't even recognise Russia had cruise missiles that could hit point targets with a conventional warhead.

    The M-16 may be slightly more accurate at slightly longer ranger than the Kalashnikov, but cleaning its a pain, and if you don't clean it its far less accurate. Kalashnikov? Pull it out of a swamp, load the magazine, point and shoot.

    But the key factor is lost. Accuracy at hitting a paper bulls eye on a shooting range does not equate to combat.

    To hit the bull of a target you need to know the precise range to the target and in combat you will almost never know the precise range.

    The Russians train with chest sized metal targets and a hit anywhere on that target is a hit.

    The AK-47 even took that further where the trajectory of the bullet was taken into account so with a 300m iron sight setting you could aim at the targets belt buckle and get a hit at any distance without adjusting your iron sights from 2m to 400m.

    Aiming at the belt buckle is easier than working out where the upper chest is on a moving target at any range... remember using iron sights you focus your vision on your front iron sight so the target is a coloured blur... you focus on the iron front sight because if your head is properly aligned and you are looking through your rear sight then the front sight shows where your bullets are going.

    The point is that when you get into combat you guess the range and you fire at the target till it goes down or gets to cover and then you look for other things to shoot... hitting bulls eyes simply does not come in to it.

    You can buy a GPS tracker chip for $27 at retail price. Imagine if you wanted to buy 25000 what price you would get. lol.

    More importantly if you were offering $10K per chip how many companies would be interesting in supplying as many as you asked for.

    The point is that they make their own electronics and the chip sizes we are talking about are not high tech super chips 16 core 4 mhz super chips...

    Here is the best available picture of that missile:

    Nice.

    The pointed nose missiles are the supersonic ones...

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:13 am

    Thats a Chinese warship. Is that image a photoshop? I wasn't aware their VLS systems were compatble with UKSK-compatible ordnance. If so, have the PLAN purchased Kalibres or manufacture under license?

    The Russians sold Yakhont missiles to the Chinese so I would expect they would make their vertical missile launch systems compatible... that is a Club missile (export version of calibr).

    The missile in that image looks like the supersonic anti ship 3M-54E.... basically in the export model it flys low and slow subsonic like a cruise missile till it gets close to the target area and then the supersonic section fires and it screams in towards the target at mach 3 under rocket power at very low altitude.

    I would think for the domestic model the subsonic flight range would be rather better than the export models... the whole point of subsonic turbojet propulsion is extended range... a rocket powered all the way missile would be enormous like an Iskander at about 4 tons, but carrying a slim seeker and warhead on a rocket to the target area makes more sense and allows much greater ranges to be achieved.

    Note the other pointed nose Club is the 91ER1 which is a mach 2-2.5 ballistic rocket delivering a torpedo up to 50km away... currently replaced by the Ovtet.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:17 am

    With regards to the imported electronics for weapon systems these have Russian substitutes available for the most part. These could be put in production in Russia if necessary but it is a lot more cost effective simply to buy these off the global chip market. For example, it is not like Russia cannot make their own Ethernet controller chips, or DSPs, it is just that it is cheaper to buy them off the shelf.
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    Post  Erk Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:01 am

    lancelot wrote:With regards to the imported electronics for weapon systems these have Russian substitutes available for the most part. These could be put in production in Russia if necessary but it is a lot more cost effective simply to buy these off the global chip market. For example, it is not like Russia cannot make their own Ethernet controller chips, or DSPs, it is just that it is cheaper to buy them off the shelf.

    You are assuming that Russia imports electronics to build it's missiles.

    Where is the evidence of that?

    If true, what components?

    I would think that Russia would mostly import commodity electronic components, not high-tech like transistors, diodes, resistors, generic ICs the kind of stuff that is not worthwhile to manufacture locally, and China has dozens of manufacturers already producing.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:10 am

    kvs wrote:The claim that Russia uses washing machine ICs in its missiles....

    Wait, someone actually thinks that Russians are using washing machine components in missiles? Like, seriously for real thinking? Not just a meme?

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    Post  Backman Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:13 am

    kvs wrote:Some context for the withdrawal ("retreat") from the west bank of the Dnepr River by Russians forces:  winter is coming and
    the river freezes over.   This f*cks up supply lines since the ice prevents use of boats but is not good enough to drive trucks
    over.   Shelling by Kiev regime forces can easily disrupt any attempt to supply over ice.   Even if you can set up a pontoon bridge
    and not have the ice drag it away, the shelling can destroy it.  


    If Russia cant hold it, then Ukraine shouldn't be able to hold it either. Because the same thing should be true for them. So it should be a wash.

    This war is too frustrating to watch. Ive also noticed a big uptick in DPR soldiers becoming prisoners of war. Why is that happening so much

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    why is there so many replies to RTN? He should be a staple on everyone's ignore list


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    Post  Backman Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:The claim that Russia uses washing machine ICs in its missiles....

    Wait, someone actually thinks that Russians are using washing machine components in missiles? Like, seriously for real thinking? Not just a meme?

    Vonderlyen literally said it too. I cant find the clip but look at about 3:00



    How Putin uses washing machines to produce missiles: Russia’s neighbors help to bypass sanctions

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    Post  Erk Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 am

    Backman wrote:

    How Putin uses washing machines to produce missiles: Russia’s neighbors help to bypass sanctions


    I would be surprised if there was any electronic component in a washing machine, which Russia couldn't buy in bulk from a wholesaler like the Alibaba Group at a fraction of the cost of a whole washing machine. Of course the source of the absurd claim would be Ukraine.

    If Russia imported a stack of washing machines, it would be for something like the laundries in the dormitory complexes the 4.8million refugees entering the country from Ukraine are staying in. That would only be if Russia's domestic washing machine manufacturers could not keep up supply
    https://washerhouse.com/en/rossijskie-stiralnye-mashiny/

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    Post  Krepost Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:33 am

    The Su-34 shot down a few weeks ago. The pilots tell the story:

    Hit by missile after completing their mission.
    Ejected at very low altitude
    Both were wounded
    Avoided a Ukrainian patrol
    At one point had to unpin a grenade so that they don't get captured alive
    Walked many kilometers until they reached a village
    Saw a vehicle marked Z passing by
    Entered the first house
    A babushka helped them and guided them to Russian forces

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    Post  Krepost Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:The claim that Russia uses washing machine ICs in its missiles....

    Wait, someone actually thinks that Russians are using washing machine components in missiles? Like, seriously for real thinking? Not just a meme?

    9 months of war and some people still believe in every story, claim, analysis and report they see/hear on twitter, telegram etc.

    Guys:
    - Everything coming from Ukrainian, pro-Ukrainian and Western sources should be taken with a mountain of salt.
    - Russian information sources are relatively weak but are far more credible than Ukrainian/Western ones.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Nov 20, 2022 6:06 am


    I am no chip expert , but don't they get fried by EMP ? How do we protect against that ? Do weapons have secondary guidance , that are jam- proof ? Do cruise have INS that could kick in a few kilometres away from target , when GPS is jammed ? Error should be minimal . Or drone swarm sent in advance with cheap internal guidance and cruise arriving later , riding on GPS , then sending corrective signal to drones ? then everyone diving in , on INS ? Saving also on chips . The offensive coming up , I think best to have one front , instead of three or more . Makes sure of victory and the important initial psychological factor . A long armed advance to River , with River providing second arm of pincer ? You only need one knife to cut a Cake to many pieces .
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    Post  Scorpius Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:46 am

    Krepost wrote:The Su-34 shot down a few weeks ago. The pilots tell the story:


    this story was on the FB channel, he said that the commander received a broken arm during ejection, and the navigator - a broken arm and a compression fracture of the spine. And with these injuries, they walked more than 30 kilometers through enemy territory.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:49 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Wait, someone actually thinks that Russians are using washing machine components in missiles? Like, seriously for real thinking? Not just a meme?
    most of the reddit audience and a significant part of the quora audience are absolutely sure of this.

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    Post  Erk Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:09 am

    nomadski wrote:
    I am no chip expert , but don't they get fried by EMP ? How do we protect against that ? Do weapons have secondary guidance , that are jam- proof ? Do cruise have INS that could kick in a few kilometres away from target , when GPS is jammed ? Error should be minimal . Or drone swarm sent in advance with cheap internal guidance  and cruise arriving later  , riding on GPS , then sending corrective signal to drones ? then everyone diving in , on INS ? Saving also on chips . The offensive coming up , I think best to have one front , instead of three or more . Makes sure of victory and the important initial  psychological factor . A long armed advance to River  ,  with River providing second arm of pincer ? You only need one knife to cut a Cake to many pieces .

    Not really, there are no practical EMP weapons you could use on a battlefield.

    Lightning can do EMP, but the most common EMP is from a nuke going off called NEMP.



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    * 06:35 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Two destroyed ZIL-131s of the Ukrainian army, which were used to transport ammunition in the Svatovsky direction.
    https://t.me/intelslava/41376

    * 07:23 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Spectacular shots of another failed Khokhol offensive in the Svatov direction

    The day before, the fighters of the "🅾" group destroyed another armored group of Ukrainian militants who attempted to break through the Svatovo-Kremennaya defensive line. The enemy was defeated by artillery fire.
    https://t.me/intelslava/41380

    * 07:55 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Another destroyed column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine somewhere in the SMO zone
    https://t.me/intelslava/41383

    * 08:22 🇷🇺 Mobilized and T-14 "Armata" at the tank training ground in Kazan.
    https://t.me/intelslava/41384


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