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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:01 am

    DerWolf wrote:So if there would be a winter Russian offensive, where would u think would be?

    Clearing Donetsk and breaking the fortified zones of Avdeevka, Marinka et al would be a good start. Finish the capture of Bahkmut. Encircle Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.

    Pushing on Zap city would be another. Ukrops have gathered a large force, time to get reaping with arty, drones and stand-off weaponry Twisted Evil

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    Post  littlerabbit Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:38 am

    DerWolf wrote:So if there would be a winter Russian offensive, where would u think would be?


    I think they have already formed 3 large battle groups.

    1st could attack on Sumi and north of Kharkov.

    2nd could attack south of Kharkov, in order to cut off enemy battle group on the Oskol river.

    3rd could attack from the South, between Zaporozie city and Donetsk city and cut enemy forces on Donbass front

    from Dniepr river.

    I'm not sure how many forces are necessary for this kind of mega operation, but Russia could surprise us with

    something big, very soon.


    Well, I can be optimistic, right?! Very Happy


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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:38 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:So if there would be a winter Russian offensive, where would u think would be?

    Can think of Belarus and push from Belgorod/Main Russian motherland.  Reclaim Kharkov, push Kiev to the brink and relieve tension in Kherson, for retaking later.

    It's unfortunate tho that amphibious operation seems no longer an option.  


    They might try just that. I would.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:42 am

    littlerabbit wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:So if there would be a winter Russian offensive, where would u think would be?


    I think they have already formed 3 large battle groups.

    1st could attack on Sumi and north of Kharkov.

    2nd could attack south of Kharkov, in order to cut off enemy battle group on the Oskol river.

    3rd could attack from the South, between Zaporozie city and Donetsk city and cut enemy forces on Donbass front

    from Dniepr river.

    I'm not sure how many forces are necessary for this kind of mega operation, but Russia could surprise us with

    something big, very soon.


    Well, I can be optimistic, right?! Very Happy  

    I do think we will see something this winter, but it may be January or even early February. They ain't moving until they are ready to.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:54 am

    So Khuyiv deliberately targeted the Polish tractor. It's not some accident or joke. This was a clear attempt to engage a NATzO
    intervention considering the hysteria from Zelensky and the EU-tards.

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    Post  Backman Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:00 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Kharkov the second largest city in Ukroshitstan should be liberated first.
    As for everything else; Odessa, Nikolaev or Kiev, it is now the other bank of the Dnieper and currently out of reach.
    If this continues, Kiev will very likely be destroyed. If the Russians go to the right bank, I don't believe that they will go across the Dnieper but through Kiev. A snake is only killed when its head is cut off.

    Kharkov is another story, I would not sleep peacefully in it.
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    Inscriptions in English in a Russian-speaking city - disgusting.. Mad

    We need to see what these counter offensives from Russia will look like. Presumably they will have way more men. Does this mean it will take less time ? I sure hope so.

    Will they surround cities for real ? Or go in Mariupol style.

    They keep talking about offensives. So far there has been nothing. I guess Mark Sleboda was right. He said a month ago , that we won't see anything till at least December. He also said this war will go on for years.

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    Post  Backman Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:05 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    littlerabbit wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:So if there would be a winter Russian offensive, where would u think would be?


    I think they have already formed 3 large battle groups.

    1st could attack on Sumi and north of Kharkov.

    2nd could attack south of Kharkov, in order to cut off enemy battle group on the Oskol river.

    3rd could attack from the South, between Zaporozie city and Donetsk city and cut enemy forces on Donbass front

    from Dniepr river.

    I'm not sure how many forces are necessary for this kind of mega operation, but Russia could surprise us with

    something big, very soon.


    Well, I can be optimistic, right?! Very Happy  

    I do think we will see something this winter, but it may be January or even early February.  They ain't moving until they are ready to.

    Jan or Feb now ? Sure hope they won't have more pullbacks in the meantime. We thought Kharkov was the grand pullback. Then Kherson happened. What next ? Jfc

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    Post  Erk Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:05 am

    Backman wrote:

    We need to see what these counter offensives from Russia will look like. Presumably they will have way more men. Does this mean it will take less time ? I sure hope so.

    Will they surround cities for real ? Or go in Mariupol style.

    They keep talking about offensives. So far there has been nothing. I guess Mark Sleboda was right. He said a month ago , that we won't see anything till at least December. He also said this war will go on for years.
    It's a war of attrition, as long as Russia does more damage to the Ukrainian military then they do to the Russian military, then Russia must eventually accomplish Putin's stated goal of demilitarizing Ukraine, regardless of how long it takes.

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    Post  Broski Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:24 am

    Erk wrote:
    It's a war of attrition, as long as Russia does more damage to the Ukrainian military then they do to the Russian military, then Russia must eventually accomplish Putin's stated goal of demilitarizing Ukraine, regardless of how long it takes.
    People keep ignoring that Putin himself said the mission of this SMO is Denazification and Demilitarization, not taking and holding territory. Russia's actions have been consistent in that regard since February. The (mostly) Western audience have short attention spans so when days and weeks go by with little happening on the battlefield, the internet junkies get bored and scream "Russia is losing and needs to do something" so they can keep their war boners nice and hard.

    On a slightly unrelated note, imagine if WW3 between Russia and NATO was started over a Polish tractor...

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    Post  mnztr Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:11 am

    I wonder if that S300 was still "active" its so weird that this massive missile is cruising along out of fuel and just hits a tractor in an open field randomly? Did the Ukrainians add IR terminal guidance to the mix and it homed in on the tractor?

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    Post  Erk Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:33 am

    mnztr wrote:I wonder if that S300 was still "active" its so weird that this massive missile is cruising along out of fuel and just hits a tractor in an open field randomly? Did the Ukrainians add IR terminal guidance to the mix and it homed in on the tractor?
    The warhead didn't explode, the farmers died from the ballistic damage.
    Lot of bad luck.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:48 am

    Erk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:I wonder if that S300 was still "active" its so weird that this massive missile is cruising along out of fuel and just hits a tractor in an open field randomly? Did the Ukrainians add IR terminal guidance to the mix and it homed in on the tractor?
    The warhead didn't explode, the farmers died from the ballistic damage.
    Lot of bad luck.


    not surprised as the self destruct already failed so something was a dud. So odd in a huge field one tractor and a missile probably still going mach 2 + nails it.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:19 am

    Broski wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    It's a war of attrition, as long as Russia does more damage to the Ukrainian military then they do to the Russian military, then Russia must eventually accomplish Putin's stated goal of demilitarizing Ukraine, regardless of how long it takes.
    People keep ignoring that Putin himself said the mission of this SMO is Denazification and Demilitarization, not taking and holding territory. Russia's actions have been consistent in that regard since February.

    Yes, but how does Russia keep Ukraine demilitarised and denazified?

    Two options, but both require the complete destruction of the Kiev comprador nationalist regime and a long term effort.

    (1) Russia conquers and assimilates the total of Ukraine. Dust off the records from the 1945-1954 to repeat the de-Banderite cleansing of that period.

    (2) Russia assimilates pro-Russian territories, but installs a military-backed protectorate in the rest, headed by pro-Russian Ukrainians. They are supported to the hilt by Moscow while they exact their revenge on the nationalists and their supporters. Lets call it "pacification", or better yet, "democratisation" Twisted Evil

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    Post  Broski Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:25 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    (2) Russia assimilates pro-Russian territories, but installs a military-backed protectorate in the rest, headed by pro-Russian Ukrainians. They are supported to the hilt by Moscow while they exact their revenge on the nationalists and their supporters.  Lets call it "pacification", or better yet, "democratisation" Twisted Evil
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8849p700-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-28#401959
    Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse.

    Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people).

    An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.

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    Post  Erk Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:05 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    Yes, but how does Russia keep Ukraine demilitarised and denazified?

    ...
    Dismantle the Western psyop which has brainwashed Ukrainian's to hate Russians.

    It starts with the books the Kiev government makes school children read.
    Then get rid of the media censorship which stops all points of view being expressed.

    Those 2 things are major causes of the conflict, it's giant psyop which has been done in other countries.
    It's the color revolution strategy which starts civil wars.

    The psyop convinced the people of Ukraine back in 2014, that aligning with the EU is better than aligning with Russia.
    That didn't turn out so well did it, unless you are one of those Ukrainians feeding off the Western money laundering.


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:36 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Two options, but both require the complete destruction of the Kiev comprador nationalist regime and a long term effort.
    (1) Russia conquers and assimilates the total of Ukraine. Dust off the records from the 1945-1954 to repeat the de-Banderite cleansing of that period.
    (2) Russia assimilates pro-Russian territories, but installs a military-backed protectorate in the rest, headed by pro-Russian Ukrainians. They are supported to the hilt by Moscow while they exact their revenge on the nationalists and their supporters.  Lets call it "pacification", or better yet, "democratisation" Twisted Evil

    (1) costed tens of thousands lives of the Soviet law enforcment&army soldiers, and gave no results as the huge nationalist, bandera-driven movement was active till the very end. The first mass marches with torches appeared in 1991 already.

    By the way, sirens are roaring for more than an hour now, a new wave of Ch-101 is incoming.

    Edit : by now, the whole 404 is already red. Russkie seems soooo desperate to run out of missiles to match the agenda ... Laughing Laughing

    Broski wrote:
    On a slightly unrelated note, imagine if WW3 between Russia and NATO was started over a Polish tractor...

    The point is, that so fast&harsh reaction of the US and other NATO members indicate clearly, that they wanted to cut this case with the head ASAP. They were obviously afraid of how it can be developed by the Polish side. A chief of National Security Council here is ranked a captain and was a military doctor. That is all the competence he carries. He was physically terrified by the events. It was obvious only if one took a look at him. Fear is a wrong advisor. The fact that they seemed to didn't know what fell late evening, while the whole Internet already determined the missile type and the ukro 540. AD Brigade that shoot it is scary.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:56 am

    Snowy Moscow... Very Happy
    Good morning, Vietnam....


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:04 am

    Thanx bro, you have reminded me to change my tires Laughing
    -4/-6 here for next few days.
    It has started.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:09 am

    ALAMO wrote:Thanx bro, you have reminded me to change my tires Laughing
    -4/-6 here for next few days.
    It has started.

    Your place is colder than mine because there will be no frost for at least the next 7 days, but it is raining every day and it will be like that for the next 7 days as well.
    You need winter tires and I need an umbrella.. Suspect
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    Post  MMBR Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:24 am

    Does anyone happen to have a good English translation of putin article "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" - 12 July 2021
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:29 am

    Ukrs reporting that the missiles volleys are the same in number as 15/11 ...
    Seems that more days in a week won't start with a coffee ... Embarassed

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:37 am

    * 07:58 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡ Air raid throughout Ukraine

    * 07:58 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Meanwhile, the air raid continues. Explosions are heard in the Kiev region. There were also reports of an explosion in Kiev.

    * 08:02 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗The total number of missiles fired in Ukraine at the moment is 50, - Ukrainian media.

    * 08:02 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡More shots from Dnepropetrovsk

    * 08:03 🇷🇺🇺🇦 They announce new launches of the Caspian Flotilla.

    * 08:05 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡New explosion in kiev

    * 08:06 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗There is a new wave of missile strikes on Ukraine.

    Arrivals in Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Poltava, Cherkasy, etc. areas

    * 08:08 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Air-launched Kh-101 missiles in the air. Strategic aviation is working

    * 08:09 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Tellingly, at the moment there are no videos, except from Dnepropetrovsk. Either there is still a problem with the Internet, or they have banned filming anything at all.

    * 08:11 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Russian missile strikes on energy facilities - head of Zelensky's office Andriy Yermak

    * 08:14 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Russia launched a massive missile attack on the infrastructure of the Odessa region, Governor Maxim Marchenko said.

    * 08:22 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Several hits on infrastructure facilities in the Dnipropetrovsk region are reported, as well as new arrivals in the Lvov region.

    * 08:26 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡In Krivoy Rog, communication problems are reported.

    * 08:27 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in Lvov

    * 08:31 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡It is reported about the flight of two missiles over Yagotin, Kiev region.

    * 08:32 clown After new missile hits, the SBU and local Gauleiters again send out threats demanding not to film or upload videos of arrivals, trying to minimize the number of videos on the network with arrivals, so that later they will again talk about 90 out of 70 downed missiles and keep silent about Polish tractors.

    * 08:33 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Video of a cruise missile flying over Kiev https://t.me/intelslava/41269

    * 08:34 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡ Powerful explosion in kiev

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:51 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Russian internet is a bit tactless, I have to say

    2 civilians died, RIP

    Ukronazi or Polish russophobes laugh openly when Russians civilians are killed in Belgorod, and the Ukrops committ wholesale murder against russian-speakers in areas where they are able to advance.  Being merely "tactless" is giving the enemy more due consideration than they deserve.

    You said it yourself - Ukronazis and Polish russophobes.

    Are ordinary people working on some fields or living in some cities supposed to all be like that?

    And what's the sense in emulating bad habits anyway? dunno

    In actual fact, it is you who are labeling a couple of farmers as an 'enemy' and dismissing the notion of expressing regret over their deaths.. and doing it while pointing to people on the other side who advocate the same thing. So you're an extremist who justifies himself by other's extremism.

    You know the Nazis did a lot of bad things in Russia; burning down villages, rape, killing Jews, besieging and starving Leningrad. Did that mean that when the Red Army rolled into Germany, that it should have started behaving the same way?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 am

    This is for AIRBORNEWOLF, make a good video link out of this. thumbsup

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Russian forces dropping gifts on Ukrainian soldiers
    https://t.me/intelslava/41282

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡And here is the video of arrival in Dnepropetrovsk without blur.
    https://t.me/intelslava/41284

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:58 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:This is for AIRBORNEWOLF, make a good video link out of this. thumbsup

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Russian forces dropping gifts on Ukrainian soldiers
    https://t.me/intelslava/41282

    You should have made at least a disclaimer that the first video is gruesome!

    Don't watch it if you don't like to see gruesome stuff.

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