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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
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Belarussian SOBR training. With white markings.
Nikopol. Little firework for people who are afraid of the dark.
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Talks are fine. Maybe they will talk about Brandons health. His mental state. Or when Alaska will go back to Russia. Who knows?crod wrote:Talks now? There were talks since 2014 Minsk signings….that allowed the real game to play, namely the arming and prepping of the uki forces etc.
Once Ukrainian military infrastructure is destroyed, a buffer zone past at least 8 oblasts including Odesa to link eastern Moldova is established, then talks. But not sure what there’ll be left to talk about. Grain supply routes and no fly zones perhaps but **** all else.
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Two years after NATO bombing Serbia, american general asked Serbian officer :"How was it to fight against the greatest force in the world?". Serbian officer replied :"I don't know. We have never fought against Russia!"
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Two years after NATO bombing Serbia, american general asked Serbian officer :"How was it to fight against the greatest force in the world?". Serbian officer replied :"I don't know. We have never fought against Russia!"
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famschopman wrote:Backman wrote:Look at this big bastard drone that the Chechens seemed to catch intact https://t.me/brianlovethailand/912
Anyone know the brand? That is one huge ****
Could be used to drop dishwashers nato is talking about
Chinese civilian model used by security forces etc. Costs around $4000 if memory serves me right.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
Big_Gazza Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:25 am
zorobabel wrote:Cannot understand why Russia waited so long to mobilize and allowed these atrocities to occur: https://twitter.com/V_Zemlyak/status/1579533471651069952
Because the SMO was needed to demonstrate restraint on the part of Russia and to thereby gain the acquiesence (or even quiet approval) of China, India and the Global South so that the Wests "nuclear sanctions" could be defeated.
Wars are fought on fronts other than just the miltary conflict.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
billybatts91 Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:30 am
See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
ucmvulcan Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:42 am
billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?
Because war is expensive. Now Russia will probably win this, after all that is why they named Surovikin overall commander and have actually been pounding Uke infrastructure for a change. However, peace is almost always more profitable than war and Lavrov is not saying Russia is going to quit the war, but that Russia is interested in hearing what Ukraine has to offer. Since Zelensky will never agree to recognize the vote of the peoples of Donbass, Kherson, Zaprozhiye, and Crmea none of this diplomacy really matters, and this shit show will go on. However, getting feelers for peace and compromise might be very good for Russian intelligence to determine how much more is needed to get Ukraine to accept terms favorable to Russia.
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billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?
Optics.
Russia will listen, and then reject the stupid BS that dribbles from the febrile quivering pie-holes of Little Zellies little people.
Russia can then tell China, India and the Global South that they "gave peace a chance". The aforementioned nations will nod and accept that. The war then goes on.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
billybatts91 Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:05 am
ucmvulcan wrote:billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?
Because war is expensive. Now Russia will probably win this, after all that is why they named Surovikin overall commander and have actually been pounding Uke infrastructure for a change. However, peace is almost always more profitable than war and Lavrov is not saying Russia is going to quit the war, but that Russia is interested in hearing what Ukraine has to offer. Since Zelensky will never agree to recognize the vote of the peoples of Donbass, Kherson, Zaprozhiye, and Crmea none of this diplomacy really matters, and this shit show will go on. However, getting feelers for peace and compromise might be very good for Russian intelligence to determine how much more is needed to get Ukraine to accept terms favorable to Russia.
lol, if that's Russia's calculus and if they accept some half-assed "peace deal" to end the war because "war is expensive and stuff", then I will consider this SMO a complete and utter failure because the main objectives were not completed for a satisfactory outcome for Russia imo. Putin and his inner circle will look real bad if any half-assed "peace deal" is accepted. Not saying this will happen, but if we're hearing murmurs of them wanting to talk with Biden and Co. and now with Erdogan and Co. on some "negotiated settlement", there's gotta be some willingness on the Russians to have talks and see what the other side offers at this moment.
I don't want to sound like a doomer or anything, I hope and pray this is just mind games being played to mess with the West, Zelensky and the cretins around him.
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faketube influencers are now reporting Russia is finished as a military force .... these aholes watch to much Western MSM
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Godric wrote:faketube influencers are now reporting Russia is finished as a military force .... these aholes watch to much Western MSM
Ok. So?
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billybatts91 wrote:ucmvulcan wrote:billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?
Because war is expensive. Now Russia will probably win this, after all that is why they named Surovikin overall commander and have actually been pounding Uke infrastructure for a change. However, peace is almost always more profitable than war and Lavrov is not saying Russia is going to quit the war, but that Russia is interested in hearing what Ukraine has to offer. Since Zelensky will never agree to recognize the vote of the peoples of Donbass, Kherson, Zaprozhiye, and Crmea none of this diplomacy really matters, and this shit show will go on. However, getting feelers for peace and compromise might be very good for Russian intelligence to determine how much more is needed to get Ukraine to accept terms favorable to Russia.
lol, if that's Russia's calculus and if they accept some half-assed "peace deal" to end the war because "war is expensive and stuff", then I will consider this SMO a complete and utter failure because the main objectives were not completed for a satisfactory outcome for Russia imo. Putin and his inner circle will look real bad if any half-assed "peace deal" is accepted. Not saying this will happen, but if we're hearing murmurs of them wanting to talk with Biden and Co. and now with Erdogan and Co. on some "negotiated settlement", there's gotta be some willingness on the Russians to have talks and see what the other side offers at this moment.
I don't want to sound like a doomer or anything, I hope and pray this is just mind games being played to mess with the West, Zelensky and the cretins around him.
LIke I said, Zelensky is never going to take any deal because NATO doesn't give a shit about peace because he's the pitch man for the need to sell arms. The whole proxy war has nothing to do with Ukrainian sovereignty and everything to do with keeping Ukrainian blood running out onto the fields of that country, the guns flowing into the countries, the money laundering through Ukraine before ending up in the pockets of the oligarchs, and stopping Russian LNG in favor of the far more expensive US product. Seriously, the goal has never been to win. Stolenberg says if Russia wins or Ukraine seeks peace NATO loses. Well yes the asshole is right. However, its not Ukrainian sovereignty he cares about. He wants the war to continue and so does Biden.
I mean consider how easily this war could have been prevented. Biden and Stoltenberg sit down with Putin and they discuss what were frankly some very reasonable and understandable terms and come to some sort of long lasting peace. That would have stopped the war before it ever began. They could have also taken a far more hotheaded approach and incorporated Ukraine into NATO. I do believe that facing article V of the NATO charter that Putin would have backed down and not invaded. You, I and everyone on here would have been absolutely livid at him, but he would not have invaded. However, stopping the war was NEVER the goal for NATO, is NOT the goal for NATO, and NEVER will be the goal for NATO. Ukraine looking like Syria? NATO don't care as long they get to ship guns to the country, seize European oil markets, and launder the money.
So long story short, Zelensky does not want peace because NATO does not want peace because there is no peace dividend for the American oligarchs. So there won't be peace.
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Lots of people are discussing how this war in Ukraine could possibly end and three distinct outcomes come to mind.
Most favorable outcome for NATO: Afghanistanization of Ukraine, Slavic ISIS terrorizing both Ukrainian and Russian civilians with car/truck/motorbike bombs and suicide drones striking critical infrastructure, lawless and ungovernable with no real central authority other than CIA/MI6/SBU rats giving their terror cells marching orders. Least likely outcome in my opinion especially with the upgrade of this SMO and the appointment of General Balls-Deep, No-Lube Sergey Surovikin.
Compromising outcome: Syrianization of Ukraine, thoroughly "Decommunized" out of existence with western Ukraine going to Poland, Hungary and Romania, Novorossiya & everything east of the Dnieper going to Russia and Ukraine becoming a landlocked Microstate with about as much geopolitical significance as Lesotho.
Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse.
Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people).
An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.
Most favorable outcome for NATO: Afghanistanization of Ukraine, Slavic ISIS terrorizing both Ukrainian and Russian civilians with car/truck/motorbike bombs and suicide drones striking critical infrastructure, lawless and ungovernable with no real central authority other than CIA/MI6/SBU rats giving their terror cells marching orders. Least likely outcome in my opinion especially with the upgrade of this SMO and the appointment of General Balls-Deep, No-Lube Sergey Surovikin.
Compromising outcome: Syrianization of Ukraine, thoroughly "Decommunized" out of existence with western Ukraine going to Poland, Hungary and Romania, Novorossiya & everything east of the Dnieper going to Russia and Ukraine becoming a landlocked Microstate with about as much geopolitical significance as Lesotho.
Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse.
Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people).
An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.
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Erk wrote:
Russia would lose a conventional attack on Kaliningrad by Nato
https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/russian-military-in-kaliningrad/Kaliningrad is smallest region in Russia with area of 15,100 km² and population of 941,873 people serves as one of the most important regions in Russia as its more far west region and separated from rest of country. According to 2014 data the region holds 225,000 military personnel, the number that seems to have increased last two years. Kaliningrad is both advantage and danger for Russian military and political interests in the Baltic region and a challenge for NATO to counter the possible treats coming from Russian military stationed there.
This is wrong, the Kaliningrad military garrison can have 22,500 or 25,000 but no 225,000 soldiers, this is most of the whole French Armad Forces
Kaliningrad Oblast population has currently 1.027.000
If Poland and/or Lithuania attack Kaliningrad, then the army group of Union State of Russia and Belarus will seize all east Poland and liberate Kaliningrad, and both the Suwalki corridor and the region of the belarusian city of Byalistok, now in Polish hands, will be annexed. Lithuania also will loose the Klapieda/Memel port and the belarussian city and region of Vilnius
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Broski wrote:Lots of people are discussing how this war in Ukraine could possibly end and three distinct outcomes come to mind.
Most favorable outcome for NATO: Afghanistanization of Ukraine, Slavic ISIS terrorizing both Ukrainian and Russian civilians with car/truck/motorbike bombs and suicide drones striking critical infrastructure, lawless and ungovernable with no real central authority other than CIA/MI6/SBU rats giving their terror cells marching orders. Least likely outcome in my opinion especially with the upgrade of this SMO and the appointment of General Balls-Deep, No-Lube Sergey Surovikin.
Compromising outcome: Syrianization of Ukraine, thoroughly "Decommunized" out of existence with western Ukraine going to Poland, Hungary and Romania, Novorossiya & everything east of the Dnieper going to Russia and Ukraine becoming a landlocked Microstate with about as much geopolitical significance as Lesotho.
Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse.
Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people).
An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky explains it to you
Zelensky will be the last president of Ukraine because there will be no more Ukraine (c) Valdimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky
Nobody really needs Ukraine at all, Ukraine is not needed at all and therefore there will be no Ukraine of any kind.
This may be a rough map
- Novorussia will be integrated into the Russian Federation as a federal district with 9 oblasts, including Crimea.
- Malorussia (Little Russia) will be a semi-independent state similar to Belarus, integrated into the State of the Union
- The rest of the former Ukraine will be a completely demilitarized and deindustrialized military protectorate of Russia. After all, the Khokols are just illiterate peasants.
I would include the Summi Region and border parts of Chernigov also in Russia and the city of Chernigov itself in Belarus as the Polesia north region
The Zhitomir region in Malorussia, Transcarpathia in Hungary and Chernivisti in Romania
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:16 am
Ah more peace deals aka just buy Ukraine time, pointless to even listen to these "deals"
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Report: Russian military broadcasts recommending that inhabitants evacuate the city
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28
SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:44 am
Ukraine would need to be crushed in order to seize that much of the land, I doubt Russia will go that far
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Malorossiya =/= Little Russia
It means core Russia or heartland Russia. Ukr historical fiction peddlers came up with the blood libel that Malorossiya is a name
created by Russian chauvinists to denigrate Ukrainians. In 1897 nobody in Maolorossyia called themselves Ukrainian and
that was not because their culture was repressed. The Bolsheviks were the ones that created the fake state called Ukraine
by foisting the Poland-adjacent language and culture on the rest of the territory of their concocted state.
It means core Russia or heartland Russia. Ukr historical fiction peddlers came up with the blood libel that Malorossiya is a name
created by Russian chauvinists to denigrate Ukrainians. In 1897 nobody in Maolorossyia called themselves Ukrainian and
that was not because their culture was repressed. The Bolsheviks were the ones that created the fake state called Ukraine
by foisting the Poland-adjacent language and culture on the rest of the territory of their concocted state.
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Backman wrote:Report: Russian military broadcasts recommending that inhabitants evacuate the city
Which one? I think there's going to be more than one Ukrainian town getting a taste of Armageddon tonite, or do you mean say Belgorod?
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kvs wrote:Malorossiya =/= Little Russia
It means core Russia or heartland Russia. Ukr historical fiction peddlers came up with the blood libel that Malorossiya is a name
created by Russian chauvinists to denigrate Ukrainians. In 1897 nobody in Maolorossyia called themselves Ukrainian and
that was not because their culture was repressed. The Bolsheviks were the ones that created the fake state called Ukraine
by foisting the Poland-adjacent language and culture on the rest of the territory of their concocted state.
"Ukraine" was only a military border territory arround Dniepr in XVII-XVIII century (U-Krai-na= in the border) as many others places in all Rusia thet were on the border in the past
Basically was the current regions of Kiev+Chekassy+Poltava
Volyn is not Ucrania. (c) Taras Shevchenko Shevchenko knows elementary geography. Bucovina is not Ucrania - 1827  Revealingly, Galitzia, Volyn and Podolia are also not Ukraine. "Atlas historique de la Pologne"   | ||||
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Godric wrote:faketube influencers are now reporting Russia is finished as a military force .... these aholes watch to much Western MSM
honestly I think we are all waiting for the hammer to fall so we can see how the western press deals with the fact they were full of shit. Where we are now is kinda like Stalingrad when the Germans still thought victory was in their grasp. And meanwhile a shitstorm was brewing.
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