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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:52 pm

    How to spread dumb propaganda ? Make a graphic with red and blue colors.

    Chinese trading is generally in normal and dumb stuff like cheap clothes or cheap tools.

    USA still leads in high value products and strategic products like electronics, softwares... for exemple Microsoft or Google with their android have no real competitors. China still lacks companies that can replace them.

    US softpower is way better than chinese still today.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:26 pm

    Isos wrote:How to spread dumb propaganda ? Make a graphic with red and blue colors.

    Chinese trading is generally in normal and dumb stuff like cheap clothes or cheap tools.

    USA still leads in high value products and strategic products like electronics, softwares... for exemple Microsoft or Google with their android have no real competitors. China still lacks companies that can replace them.

    US softpower is way better than chinese still today.

    "cheap clothes or cheap tools", Welll ....

    And is it as you wrote ?
    The development of the country is best seen through its construction.
    This was proven in the time of the Roman Empire with aqueducts, hot baths, arenas, double-glazed windows - except that they were not vacuum glass.
    Look at what the roads look like in the USA and look in China.
    What you write about Microsoft is irrelevant and means nothing to the average US resident, except for a few people at the top of Microsoft or Google.
    You live in the past Isos, your awareness of the world is in the eighties and nineties, and an example of "superiority" can be seen in your writing about the Rafale, which is a relic of the past. Look at how many planes your France produced for its air force and how many J-10/11/15/60/20 China produced. According to this indicator, China surpassed the USA.
    I guarantee you that by the end of this decade, China will have more aircraft than the US, not just surface warships. They are already number one with fifth generation heavy fighters..
    Your writing about "cheap clothes and cheap tools" is another nonsense, because China is the country that is the largest car producer in the world, although until 30 years ago it had almost no car industry.
    You also believe in fictional super-corporations. Everything you write about is fiction, an unrealistic house of cards that will collapse sooner or later.
    What does the average US resident have over Nike sneakers or most of the American products that come to us in Europe because most of those products come with the Made in PRC label.

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    Isos, find me a Peugeot, Citroen or Renault of today that can compete with this car..

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    How did the Midterms go, you Trumptard?


    Better than you have been allowed to know. The system is corrupt, so the results have been strung out as long as possible to reduce the impact.

    They aren't 'reducing the impact', they are/ have been manufacturing votes in 6-8 states (mostly counties with high levels of Basketball Americans) through all sorts of shenanigans to let the Dems keep both AND the House.

    And ll the gun loving Trumpistas are looking at it with their dicks in their hands and their eyes set on 2024 already - not for a small part due to the GOP being complete sell outs, many completely bought off by the System.

    Better luck in 2024 I guess.

    Everybody with half a brain saw this coming from miles away. People just don't want to see/admit the system is completely broken - because that would require action and Americans are scared of that, unless it incorporates bitching online of course.

    Just chuckling at the tune pre Midterms:

    Yes they are gonna cheat again hence we need to come out in record numbers and vote even harder!! 1!

    I mean, come on now..


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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:47 pm



    yesterday the commander of the group South of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came to Kherson to the central square. wrote:

    They had it on display...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:53 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    No it wasn't

    Grozny was not leveled for the hell of it or to crush Chechen willingness to resist - but as a result of close to 2 years of constant urban fighting and back and forth. The buildings that were leveled that were manned with rebels, which were shooting at advancing Russian forces. Well there was plenty of collateral damage as well, deaths of civilians - but it was incidental to the combat which was between two armed sides.

    exactly like Ukraine, There is no other technical way to advance without repeating this process - the Ukrainians can defend and we have seen that

    So what does your proposal come down to then?
    Turn every city in the Ukraine into Grozny? Only if you're willing to storm them all and use heavy ordnance in support of the assault. Then sure. But you won't avoid large casualties to your troops even with the itchiest trigger finger. Grozny was about chucking grenades into basements without checking who was in there - because you couldn't run the risk that it was some insurgent waiting to pop up and ambush you. And all assorted pleasantry. Such fighting not only saps your manpower, but saps your soldiers' sanity as well.
    And you'll have to repeat it again and again and again. Kharkov, Odessa, Kriovoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhie, Kiev.
    At the end of it these cities would have been destroyed, emptied, and those who remain would require a constant stream of humanitarian supplies. The economic value of these cities will be less than zero for many many years. And it's unclear who would repopulate them.
    I'll remind you again that half the casualties the DNR took in the conflict so far, it took in the battle of Mariupol.

    mariupol was a special case, and specifically azovstal was the tough place

    And even Mariupol outside of azovstal was not subject to Grozny style strikes, guys were driving tanks into well placed atgm ambushes

    Which is why Grozny worked, chechens setup ambushes that never took place because artillery and missile forces levelled them before they saw a russian tank

    The way they have fought this war is like first chechen war, except not as badly organized


    While just bombing cities for the sake of it - not hitting industrial capacities, not hitting infrastructure, not hitting troop concentrations, not hitting anything but civilians might make sense if you're going for an Allied style firebombing of Dresden, or the German Blitz against London as it were; but even those actually had military value and military targets in their inception. Your argument is just to commit war-crimes in the hope that it breaks enemy morale. But why would it? And what would it offer in that regard anyway, over hitting power supplies and enticing people to leave to Europe rather than stick around there where there is no livelyhood to be made?

    you can precisely target the buildings in which there is resistance, and avoid random bombings, yes there will be collateral damage, its war

    Furthermore you have offered a recipee to lose the war as well
    In that you seem to be ignorant of the fact that a battle is being waged for world opinion too. And it simply won't do for Russia to resort to mass indiscriminate bombings and killing civilians at will. This will result in the country's isolation, not its membership as one of the leaders of a new coalition

    theyre already abandoning Russia lol, or on the brink of jumping ship from how badly this was handled

    The only reasonable explanation here is that you are a hidden Ukrop. Nice try though dunno

    yet you were giving money to an ukro girl at outset no? And you complain of Fighterbomber, Rybar, and such channels donating money to guys?

    With you people as allies who needs enemies,

    And of course it is you and the other hybrid canadian ukrops on here advocating for protecting the "brotherly people" who are "one nation" with Russia, while getting Russians killed, hmmmm who is the ukrop... i wonder it is people like you, like Matviyenko, who continue to sabotage Russia with your inane suggestions and pseudo military concepts like "SMO" who dream of negotiating with Kiev and being able to walk from this without having to make the real decision

    It's a pity so many ukro scum are in charge of this SMO- and I hope rogov doesn't go the way of stremousov , it would be a terrible coincidence


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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:55 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Isos wrote:How to spread dumb propaganda ? Make a graphic with red and blue colors.

    Chinese trading is generally in normal and dumb stuff like cheap clothes or cheap tools.

    USA still leads in high value products and strategic products like electronics, softwares... for exemple Microsoft or Google with their android have no real competitors. China still lacks companies that can replace them.

    US softpower is way better than chinese still today.

    "cheap clothes or cheap tools", Welll ....

    And is it as you wrote ?
    The development of the country is best seen through its construction.
    This was proven in the time of the Roman Empire with aqueducts, hot baths, arenas, double-glazed windows - except that they were not vacuum glass.
    Look at what the roads look like in the USA and look in China.
    What you write about Microsoft is irrelevant and means nothing to the average US resident, except for a few people at the top of Microsoft or Google.
    You live in the past Isos, your awareness of the world is in the eighties and nineties, and an example of "superiority" can be seen in your writing about the Rafale, which is a relic of the past. Look at how many planes your France produced for its air force and how many J-10/11/15/60/20 China produced. According to this indicator, China surpassed the USA.
    I guarantee you that by the end of this decade, China will have more aircraft than the US, not just surface warships. They are already number one with fifth generation heavy fighters..
    Your writing about "cheap clothes and cheap tools" is another nonsense, because China is the country that is the largest car producer in the world, although until 30 years ago it had almost no car industry.
    You also believe in fictional super-corporations. Everything you write about is fiction, an unrealistic house of cards that will collapse sooner or later.
    What does the average US resident have over Nike sneakers or most of the American products that come to us in Europe because most of those products come with the Made in PRC label.

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    Isos, find me a Peugeot, Citroen or Renault of today that can compete with this car..


    Lol j-21 is still unknown and they clearly bought mig-1.44 design and work for it. India said it tracked it with a su-30mki.

    That car is copy of Maybach. They didn't even bother changing the color.

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    Beside those cheap made in china everyday stuff that belongs to western companies, what do you use that comes from China ? Some smartphones and some electronics. Nothing else. I rather buy a Renault or Citroën than any chinese car. Some made the mistake to buy chinese electric cars and they are a total disaster.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:00 pm

    Copy of Maybach, really ? Are you sure ?
    I'm not even going to write about that nonsense for the MiG-1.44, since it's a plane that only flew twice..



    Isos, this is why you live in the past; Citroen DS and Citroen and Citroen CX were undoubtedly a factor in the past. What does Citroen produce today and who buys it, except the French ?

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:05 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Beside those cheap made in china everyday stuff that belongs to western companies, what do you use that comes from China ? Some smartphones and some electronics. Nothing else. I rather buy a Renault or Citroën than any chinese car. Some made the mistake to buy chinese electric cars and they are a total disaster.

    Chinese are well aware of the shortcomings too. Hence they have a strong preference for foreign brands, especially German car brands are held in high regards.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:09 pm

    Defeatists say Russia will withdraw from the rest of Kherson Oblast by the end of the year as reinforcements are underway on the border with Crimea. They also claim that leaving Kherson is part of some sort of deal. This is quite an absurd statement.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:19 pm

    Arrow wrote:Defeatists say Russia will withdraw from the rest of Kherson Oblast by the end of the year as reinforcements are underway on the border with Crimea. They also claim that leaving Kherson is part of some sort of deal. This is quite an absurd statement.

    There might or might not be a deal

    But the next place they will leave is Melitopol -

    Ukros have reinforced there already and will attack there next

    And my guess is that Putin himself is doing this because of too much pressure from the atlanticists in the Kremlin

    Matviyenko, Deripaska, Abramovich(who was at Istanbul, obviously he was allowed), Gref , the finance ministry, the CBR, kudrin, potanin and all those who still have considerable sway in Russia are probably telling Putin that the fun is over

    And Putin characteristically picked a fall guy in Surovkhin, to make the "tough decisions" while the rest of us just go along with whatever they say

    But the war is over, the mobilization was probably just a temporary practice , to test a reserve system and mobilization under wartime conditions , and to scare NATO a bit, but that's it

    No offensive will take place- putins political capital is so damaged, he cannot afford this to go on any longer

    And his liberal friends are also done with him - he fucked it up, and will have to own it, no matter how many Shoigus and Surovikhins say it was their decision, the fault lies up top

    But once Melitopol is under threat, they will keep consolidating the lines until they are back in LDNR - theyl liberate donbass, and call it a day

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:20 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:exactly like Ukraine, There is no other technical way to advance without repeating this process - the Ukrainians can defend and we have seen that

    Yes there is. Rampage through the country-side, destroy the enemy armies in the field, encourage them to come at your prepared positions when possible, inflict attrition damage with remote strikes, put enemy transportation and logistical networks out of order, and preserve your own men

    mariupol was a special case, and specifically azovstal was the tough place

    And even Mariupol outside of azovstal was not subject to Grozny style strikes, guys were driving tanks into well placed atgm ambushes

    Which is why Grozny worked, chechens setup ambushes that never took place because artillery and missile forces levelled them before they saw a russian tank

    Sure but you'll still take a lot of casualties

    As did our troops and the DNR in Mariupol. The Azovstal fortress was surrounded and didn't pose much of a threat. It was the assault of the rest of the city that took many lives. The city was turned into a fortress and you can bet that any other Ukrainian city you care to name won't be any different.

    Now if you're prepared to see such operations against every Ukrainian city, many 3-4x the size of Mariupol, then I expect you'll be volunteering for service shortly, no?

    The way they have fought this war is like first chechen war, except not as badly organized

    It's inevitable when the country wasn't knocked out of the war and isolated or had part of its elite split off at the outset

    Instead it consolidated and has a stream of unlimited economic, military, etc... support from its neighbors.

    So you're going to have to grind them down the good old fashioned way; militarily, economically, morally, until they capitulate.

    And don't cite the German blitzkrieg of France or Poland as a way of how to win wars. The Nazis had far more supporters and partners across Europe than Russia does at present.

    you can precisely target the buildings in which there is resistance, and avoid random bombings, yes there will be collateral damage, its war

    Of course there will be but that's hardly what you were saying a post ago.

    You were talking about leveling entire cities remotely.
    Why not just nuke them? That will win the war even faster no?

    theyre already abandoning Russia lol, or on the brink of jumping ship from how badly this was handled

    Feel free to jump ship and leave the country. It's your life Please don't question the efforts of people who're doing something useful though. Thanks.

    yet you were giving money to an ukro girl at outset no? And you complain of Fighterbomber, Rybar, and such channels donating money to guys?

    With you people as allies who needs enemies,

    And of course it is you and the other hybrid canadian ukrops on here advocating for protecting the "brotherly people" who are "one nation" with Russia, while getting Russians killed, hmmmm who is the ukrop... i wonder  it is people like you, like Matviyenko, who continue to sabotage Russia with your inane suggestions and pseudo military concepts like "SMO" who dream of negotiating with Kiev and being able to walk from this without having to make the real decision

    It's a pity so many ukro scum are in charge of this SMO- and I hope rogov doesn't go the way of stremousov , it would be a terrible coincidence

    I wasn't giving money, I was never asked for such - but BTW when I say ukrop, I don't strictly mean the nationality. There are many normal Ukrainians. By Ukrop I mean someone who insists on shooting himself and his country in the foot and when the results don't pan out as expected they embrace outright Nazism. The Ukraine is full of such people and that's why their country has had the trajectory that it had from 1991 to now. But we have people like that in Russia too.

    Bud it's people like you in the first place, who were insisting at the outset that there was somebody in the Ukraine waiting for us, somebody to 'liberate', when in fact anyone with a brain could have told you that the Ukraine has been zombieland for years now.
    Your expectations were frustrated and now you call to commit widespread atrocities, bombing cities indiscriminately, as the new plan that is supposed to win the war.
    Can we just skip your suggestions and defer to Surovikin's plan and others with more common sense? Please?

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    Post  Arrow Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:23 pm

    Matviyenko, Deripaska, Abramovich(who was at Istanbul, obviously he was allowed), Gref , the finance ministry, the CBR, kudrin, wrote:

    Nonsens Deripaska, Matviyenko, Abramovich Kurdin do not have any power and great influence on power Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:24 pm

    Arrow wrote:Defeatists say Russia will withdraw from the rest of Kherson Oblast by the end of the year as reinforcements are underway on the border with Crimea. They also claim that leaving Kherson is part of some sort of deal. This is quite an absurd statement.

    Don't even waste your time on that nonsense because you give reasons for retards like Arkhangelsk to answer you...
    Arkhie, you spineless ****, here's one for you…


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:33 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Nonsens Deripaska, Matviyenko, Abramovich Kurdin do not have any power and great influence on power Laughing

    No? Ahhh cmon you can do better than that!

    Who runs the CBR? Is it glazyev? No! Her name is Elvira Niabiullina, and guess what? She parked 300 billion FX reserves overseas for "partners" to seize

    Laughing Laughing

    A lot of you will be tasting the bitterness soon, just get ready for it
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:07 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://swentr.site/russia/566351-kherson-region-russia-withdrawal/

    Kherson remains part of Russia – Kremlin

    The region’s legal status remains unchanged, says Dmitry Peskov as Russian forces redeploy across the Dnieper River


    Can't really decide if this should be considered as hillarious or sad.

    Both

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://swentr.site/russia/566351-kherson-region-russia-withdrawal/

    Kherson remains part of Russia – Kremlin

    The region’s legal status remains unchanged, says Dmitry Peskov as Russian forces redeploy across the Dnieper River


    Can't really decide if this should be considered as hillarious or sad.

    Both


    What consequence is there for saying it?

    They keep their power in spite of such humiliations

    They all must go

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:39 pm

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    The Ukros got no air force. Why the heck are they painting their tanks with this white stripes? To make it easier for Lancet operators to see them?  Very Happy

    That to them is an unfortunate side effect. Its much more important that their own UAV operators see that it is their armour. So the bigger the white stripe the better Laughing  

    Until the snow comes then there is a problem.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:45 pm

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    Mayorsk was taken by DPR,

    And casualties:

    Dead bodies visible in multiple images:

    Same shit in Pavlovka,  and cope addicts say , it's not as big as they claim, and it's a war what do you expect

    These are the same people saying Russia cannot hurt the brotherly people, it's better to sacrifice miners for 100 yards of territory

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    Post  limb Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:57 pm

    Sparta has shown us that the ideal trench clearing tool is aquadcopter with flir dropping grenades or preferably mortar shells.A rudimentary CCIP would be extremely useful too. Why hasnt russian industry started serially producing such quadcopters? Theres such prototypes since may at the army expos and the wagner building has displayed some. Why arent they being mass produced yet?
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    Post  DerWolf Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:05 pm

    I read somewhere in twitter the Russian flag has disappeared from center Melitopol, same happened from Kherson before withdrow.

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    That to them is an unfortunate side effect. Its much more important that their own UAV operators see that it is their armour. So the bigger the white stripe the better Laughing  

    Until the snow comes then there is a problem.
    90% of their drones are shot down after a few minutes. Waste of white paint.  Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:40 pm

    DerWolf wrote:I read somewhere in twitter the Russian flag has disappeared from center Melitopol, same happened from Kherson before withdrow.
    Was replaced with a new one.

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:43 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32 - Page 17 Fhcead10
    Wrecking the nerves of Ukros. In a few weeks the air raid sirens in all of 404 will be out of order.  Laughing
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32 - Page 17 Fhceox10
    Another "sophisticated" western product out of order.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:53 pm

    If a large counter offensive by Russia doesn't happen this winter, this war is over. Important next few weeks and months coming up.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:02 pm

    DPR battles Ukrainians at Pervomaisky


    RF Lancet Drone strikes Ukrainian army vehicle


    RF Lancet Drone strikes on the Ukrainian army in the region of Novaya Kakhovka.


    RF lancet drone strike Ukrainian tank on the left of the Dnieper river, Kherson

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