Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/5390
Ukrainian vehicle of some description being destroyed by a helicopter-launched ATGM. Looks like a Shturm or Ataka perhaps

https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/5385
Have to say the pro-Ukrainian greeting party/rent-a-crowd in Kherson sq. for the arriving Ukrainian soldiers is not very large at all

littlerabbit wrote:
I have few questions for all of you guys:

1)  How this retreat from Kherson will influence on moral of Russian troops and Russian people in general?

I don't think military morale is meaningfully impacted

However morale on the home-front is another story and trust in the leadership be seriously undermined if it turns out that there is some deal under the table; like say sanctions relief in return for giving up that territory. Not so much because people particularly care about Kherson, but because of the cynicism it would imply. It would appear to people as if oligarch profits are more important than the security of say the Crimea. And for those invested in the war it would also look like Russia is doing favours to Europe. Which won't be true in either case, but these are sticky narratives.
Even if there isn't a deal, the tales about one are gaining traction in the Telegram space. Just the mere rumours are damaging.

The Kremlin is too overconfident in its ability to keep a lid on or direct public opinion. If there are further such retreats and territory being given up without a fight, no matter their expediency at a military level or whatever international benefits - public attitudes could turn to anger and government explanations could start being instantly rejected.

littlerabbit wrote:

No way there were Serbs in Waffen SS...and convincingly, not a single Croat (Ustasa) was there?!

Such a bullshit!    

Serbian Volunteer Corp were, officially, under SS command in Yugoslavia at the end of the war. Not that makes them officially SS.

ALAMO wrote:Offensive cost lives. Always.
Russkie are constantly&secure determined to save it.
They will call the Ukrs to come&die in as long as possible. That is a constant of this campaign since the end of the Spring I guess

I am 100% convinced that, so long as the Ukrainians are willing to launch attacks against prepared Russian defenses, the Russians will remain on the defensive. They are inflicting incredibly disproportionate casualties on the AFU.

This is the most insane war of the past several centuries. Daily AFU casualties have numbered in the many hundreds for weeks. Equipment losses have become acute. They're begging for more and forcibly conscripting thousands of hapless men off the streets.

Will Schryver

And here is Larry Johnson:

• Fact one — Ukraine’s economy is in tatters and there is no viable path to restore what it was on February 24, 2022.
  
• Fact two — Ukraine is totally dependent on Western aid to keep it army in the field.
  
• Fact three — Ukraine does not have a viable air force and cannot provide close air support to its front line troops. This means any Ukrainian advance on the ground is dependent on the limited armor and artillery units still intact.
  
• Fact four — Ukraine’s ability to produce electricity and power is being steadily degraded and there is no short-term solution to keep the lights on.
  
• Fact five — Russia has not committed its front line forces and high tech weaponry to the fight.
  
• Fact six — Russia’s economy is strong despite Western efforts to sunder it.
  
• Fact seven — Russia is economically self-sufficient. It does not need foreign exports to sustain its industrial base but the world does need critical products and minerals that only Russia produces.
  
• Fact eight — Russian factories are operating 24/7, producing essential military equipment and technology to keep its forces in the fight.
  
• Fact nine — Russia can mobilize and train new troops on its own territory without fear of attack from Ukraine. Ukraine cannot.
  

flamming_python wrote:
https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/5385
Have to say the pro-Ukrainian greeting party/rent-a-crowd in Kherson sq. for the arriving Ukrainian soldiers is not very large at all

Media do the rest.

Now let's see if they will claim to found "mass grave" or sort of it.

Stealthflanker wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
https://t.me/VasiletsDmitriy/5385
Have to say the pro-Ukrainian greeting party/rent-a-crowd in Kherson sq. for the arriving Ukrainian soldiers is not very large at all

Media do the rest.

Now let's see if they will claim to found "mass grave" or sort of it.

Pro-Ukrainian residents left months ago, but there was pro-Ukrainian sentiment there. But knowing how PR driven and propagandist is Ukraine, I really doubt that these people are actual locals. Most people tend to stay away from cameras and don't show their allegiance publically for obvious reasons. For both sides.

Medvedev

Mobilised in Ryazan

Kosher MRAP met Lancet

Not much left

De-nazified electric substation somewhere

The killers of defeatists on this forum are Alamo and Garry, especially Alamo, because he just crushes them to pieces - Garry controls himself because he is the main admin.
Big Gazza does the same, but a little more subtly.
Broski and Belisarius are a tough line against Ukroshitstan.
Brother Hole makes the biggest mockery of Ukroshitstans through the pictures he uploads - respect.
For Airbornewolf I think he is in seventh heaven watching the video links of Russians destroying the Ukrops and their equipment.
KVS, Gunshipdemocracy, Firebird obviously hate Nazis and I take my hat off to them for that.
LMFS, Arrow, Lancelot are people who like the tech side of the forum, it seems to me.
AMCXXL is the doctor for the smallest details about the Russian VVS.
Serberus is probably OK but he doesn't have much patience.
Taddei, just change that Trabant - please..
I also respect the work of Lyle6, Ucmvulcan, Franco, JohninMK, Auslander, VARGR189, TMA , FP (in good part) , Rodion, Sepheronx, Werewolf, PSG, Eugenio, .
Some others I'm still watching...


Enemies; ISOS (is just the biggest disappointment), Arkhangelsk (Ukrop or liberal armchair general), Limb and Seig (mules), Sundoesntrise (severe scum), Cocklickson (severe scum), Owais Sultani (I don't care), Cavaet (foreigner in the country he currently lives in and a stranger in his native land - neither in heaven nor on earth), Zorolabel, Regular. There are more, I just forgot them.

SPECIAL COLUMN; Papadragon would be a war criminal if he found himself in a war conflict.

Podlodka77 wrote:The killers of defeatists on this forum are Alamo and Garry, especially Alamo, because he just crushes them to pieces - Garry controls himself because he is the main admin.
Big Gazza does the same, but a little more subtly.  
Broski and Belisarius are a tough line against Ukroshitstan.  
Brother Hole makes the biggest mockery of Ukroshitstans through the pictures he uploads - respect.  
For Airbornewolf I think he is in seventh heaven watching the video links of Russians destroying the Ukrops and their equipment.  
KVS, Gunshipdemocracy, Firebird obviously hate Nazis and I take my hat off to them for that.  
LMFS, Arrow, Lancelot are people who like the tech side of the forum, it seems to me.  
AMCXXL is the doctor for the smallest details about the Russian VVS.  
Serberus is probably OK but he doesn't have much patience.  
Taddei, just change that Trabant - please..
I also respect the work of Lyle6, Ucmvulcan, Franco, JohninMK, Auslander, VARGR189, TMA , FP (in good part) , Rodion, Sepheronx, Werewolf, PSG, Eugenio, .  
Some others I'm still watching...


Enemies; ISOS (is just the biggest disappointment), Arkhangelsk (Ukrop or liberal armchair general), Limb and Seig (mules), Sundoesntrise (severe scum), Cocklickson (severe scum), Owais Sultani (I don't care), Cavaet (foreigner in the country he currently lives in and a stranger in his native land - neither in heaven nor on earth), Zorolabel, Regular. There are more, I just forgot them.

SPECIAL COLUMN; Papadragon would be a war criminal if he found himself in a war conflict.

Come on I am not even on the friend or enemy list lol

GOPNIK sorry, I just forgot. I have nothing against you...
You are a strange guy but I am also strange...

flamming_python wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Defensive lines being built in Crimea now, are the Russians expecting the Ukrainians to get that far? Jesus Christ. Don't tell me they're gonna actually even attempt to penetrate and succeed. Looks like it will be just defensive posture from Russia in the south, hard to see them doing any major offensives there for a while if ever. Very disappointing.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1591448351152930817

Precaution is the better part of Valor.
It's not a matter of expecting something.

It should occur to one though, that nothing will inflict more casualties on the Ukrainians than an ill-fated attempt to get to the Crimean borders, buoyed on by overconfidence. Russia may even encourage them to do that
Likewise, nothing will get the recruitment offices jammed with fresh volunteers than a threat to Russia proper, which is the Crimea. And it may be that Russia is willing to manipulate public opinion by allowing such a threat to become apparent too.

Defensive lines were built along the entire Crimea-Kherson border in 2014. Trenches, bunkers, barbed wire etc. On both sides back then, but both lines are in Russia now.

So, maintaining these lines is just, maintaining.

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Offensive cost lives. Always.
Russkie are constantly&secure determined to save it.
They will call the Ukrs to come&die in as long as possible. That is a constant of this campaign since the end of the Spring I guess

I am 100% convinced that, so long as the Ukrainians are willing to launch attacks against prepared Russian defenses, the Russians will remain on the defensive. They are inflicting incredibly disproportionate casualties on the AFU.

This is the most insane war of the past several centuries. Daily AFU casualties have numbered in the many hundreds for weeks. Equipment losses have become acute. They're begging for more and forcibly conscripting thousands of hapless men off the streets.

Will Schryver

And here is Larry Johnson:

• Fact one — Ukraine’s economy is in tatters and there is no viable path to restore what it was on February 24, 2022.
  
• Fact two — Ukraine is totally dependent on Western aid to keep it army in the field.
  
• Fact three — Ukraine does not have a viable air force and cannot provide close air support to its front line troops. This means any Ukrainian advance on the ground is dependent on the limited armor and artillery units still intact.
  
• Fact four — Ukraine’s ability to produce electricity and power is being steadily degraded and there is no short-term solution to keep the lights on.
  
• Fact five — Russia has not committed its front line forces and high tech weaponry to the fight.
  
• Fact six — Russia’s economy is strong despite Western efforts to sunder it.
  
• Fact seven — Russia is economically self-sufficient. It does not need foreign exports to sustain its industrial base but the world does need critical products and minerals that only Russia produces.
  
• Fact eight — Russian factories are operating 24/7, producing essential military equipment and technology to keep its forces in the fight.
  
• Fact nine — Russia can mobilize and train new troops on its own territory without fear of attack from Ukraine. Ukraine cannot.
  

Fact 1. While true, the western economy controls 75% ofvthe workds gdp and has a near monopoly on civilian aircraft, semiconductor, ship prpopulsion, pharmaceutical, etc technology. It will kerp tirning a massive profit due to this monopoly.Ukraine aid is a drop in the bucket in terms of US budget.

Ukrainian casaulties arent disproportionate. Theres photos of hundreds of dead Russian soldiers around just artemovsk. Even if they were, they capture territorythat will never be retaken because the Russian army cant afford to take casaulties on the offensive.

Forgot fact 9: putin called the Ukrainians nazis and drug addicts in February, now hes calling them respected partners.

https://twitter.com/Igor_from_Kyiv_/status/1591466299267612678?t=a7hykVb1d0I_9-ncG5zoBQ&s=19

I Agree about the rest.

Ukraine May Redirect 40,000 Troops From Kherson to Other Areas - Official

Ukraine could redirect as many as 40,000 troops from Kherson to other areas including the Zaporozhye region after Russian soldiers withdrew from the city, Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the Russia-appointed Zaporozhye regional administration, said on Saturday.

"If we talk about the Kherson region, the opponent has around 40,000 people that it could redirect to one or another area. The Zaporozhye region is a priority, as the dream of [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky to cut the front and our group and reach Berdyansk has been well-known," Rogov told Russia's Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station.

The official also said that there were foreign militants from 40 countries fighting on Ukraine's side at the contact line in the Zaporozhye region.

"If earlier we could speak of 34 countries where the mercenaries come from, it is now over 40 countries," Rogov noted, adding that Ukrainians were also trying to take over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which was transferred to Russian control in October.

Lmfao the story will just repeat itself, and you cope fiends will repeat the justifications until Zaporozhye is given up

They're building defense lines in Crimea because once they leave Zaporozhye, Ukraine will knock on the door in Crimea

Go ahead and deny it and live in your fake fantasy if you want, il be here to remind you all in January and you'll just keep coping

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine May Redirect 40,000 Troops From Kherson to Other Areas - Official

Ukraine could redirect as many as 40,000 troops from Kherson to other areas including the Zaporozhye region after Russian soldiers withdrew from the city, Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the Russia-appointed Zaporozhye regional administration, said on Saturday.

"If we talk about the Kherson region, the opponent has around 40,000 people that it could redirect to one or another area. The Zaporozhye region is a priority, as the dream of [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky to cut the front and our group and reach Berdyansk has been well-known," Rogov told Russia's Komsomolskaya Pravda radio station.

The official also said that there were foreign militants from 40 countries fighting on Ukraine's side at the contact line in the Zaporozhye region.

"If earlier we could speak of 34 countries where the mercenaries come from, it is now over 40 countries," Rogov noted, adding that Ukrainians were also trying to take over the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which was transferred to Russian control in October.

Lmfao the story will just repeat itself, and you cope fiends will repeat the justifications until Zaporozhye is given up

They're building defense lines in Crimea because once they leave Zaporozhye,  Ukraine will knock on the door in Crimea

Go ahead and deny it and live in your fake fantasy if you want, il be here to remind you all in January and you'll just keep coping

Unlike Kherson, the Russian army was serious about reinforcing Zaporozhye, so theyre gonna most likely maje a massacre out of a Ukrainian offensive. The 3rd corps was always around Zaporozhye. the Ukrainians won't  have the advantage of attacking a bridghead connected by pontoon bridges.  Any retreat from there would be 100% political unlike kherson.

limb wrote:

Unlike Kherson, the Russian army was serious about reinforcing Zaporozhye, so theyre gonna most likely maje a massacre out of a Ukrainian offensive. The 3rd corps was always around Zaporozhye. the Ukrainians won't  have the advantage of attacking a bridghead connected by pontoon bridges.  Any retreat from there would be 100% political unlike kherson.

It's the same shit as Kharkov, Kherson, Kiev,

The same reason: it was difficult, and Russian lives needed to be saved,

That was the justification for the withdrawals, and it will be exactly the same

Kharkov had no large rivers either, and they left the entire region as well

What you see is a Russian withdrawal from Ukraine

That's what you are watching,

There's no 6d chess move , there's no hidden strategy

Dugin already said it, the absolute ruler wanted absolute glory, well he has to accept absolute failure as well

That's how autocracy works, you don't get to reap the benefits, and then shirk your duty to the nation and expect to receive 90% popularity

https://m.tsargrad.tv/articles/aleksandr-dugin-herson-poslednij-rubezh-otstuplenija_662480

“A Russian city was commissioned, the capital of one of the regions of Russia – the same as Belgorod, Kursk, Donetsk, or Simferopol. If you don’t care, then you are not Russian

Russians are now clenching their teeth in pain, weeping and suffering as if their hearts were torn out, their children, brothers, mothers, and wives, would be killed in front of their eyes. If you don’t hurt now, you’re nothing

Power. She is responsible for this. What is the meaning of autocracy, and do we have it? We give the Ruler absolute fullness of power, and he saves us all – the people, the state, the people – at a critical moment. If for this he surrounds himself with evil spirits or spits on social justice, this is unpleasant, but if only he saved

What if it doesn’t save? Then – the fate of the ‘king of the rains’ awaits him. Autocracy also has a downside. Completeness of power in case of success, but also the completeness of responsibility for failure. And how did you want it?

How to get out of the situation? Immediately move from a sovereign dictatorship to a commissar, that is, introduce an ideology. The ruler almost did. But almost again. And Kherson was passed not almost, it was completely passed

No claims to Surovikin. He is not a politician, he is responsible for the technical side of the front. Hit not on him. You know who you hit. And no PR will save here anymore. In a critical situation, political technologies do not work at all. History speaks today. And she utters terrible – for us – words

This is not a betrayal, this is a step towards Armageddon. The conditions of the winning West, this civilization of Satan, will never be acceptable to Moscow. This means that tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons will remain (tactical and strategic nuclear weapons – approx. TsG). That is the end. And here is the most important thing

Under the pressure of circumstances (and it’s very bad that it’s so terrible), we made a number of military-political corrections in the conduct of the NMD (why it’s so late is a separate question). But it hasn’t worked (so far). The last resource is ideology. Real, not the fake that the AP, scared to death by the uprising of reality, is trying to sell

Stop playing around: Russian Idea. Only she. It is foolish to go for the total destruction of mankind only because of the fear of the Russian Idea, of our ideology. There is no other way. The authorities in Russia can’t hand over anything else. The limit has been reached. But purely technical means for Victory are lacking

The war must become a people’s war in full measure. But just so popular – Russian! – the state should become. Not the way it is now”.

billybatts91 wrote:

Absolutely, but it was way more than 4,000. I think he pulled that number out of his ass.

so the place where sun doesn't shine?

flamming_python wrote:"From each according to his ability.."  

Don't know I'd trust that 5th-column traitor idiot with a sewing machine.  A toilet brush is more appropriate.

The traitor of Wagner meets the hammer. It seems Wagner has reached in Kiev.

Graphic video in the end

https://youtu.be/_tNJUfu5F3w

caveat emptor wrote:

littlerabbit wrote:

No way there were Serbs in Waffen SS...and convincingly, not a single Croat (Ustasa) was there?!

Such a bullshit!    

Serbian Volunteer Corp were, officially, under SS command in Yugoslavia at the end of the war. Not that makes them officially SS.

How many people had that Corp?

Another analysis:


https://bigserge.substack.com/p/surovkins-difficult-choice

Seems to me that the copes don't really have the reach and impact anymore, especially not abroad. Russian 'allies' (even if only in popular perception) are not hiding the disdain anymore.

Together with the IMF loan last week this spells.. well, let the Serbian forum members speak for themselves.

Grim viewing. At the end he gets a sledgehammer to the head. The guy was playing with forces above him. Made dangerous assumptions. Apparently it didnt make an ass out of him. Just turned his head to a pancake. Traitors in all lands are not remembered well.