Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

I'd bet on Russian Navy signing a strategic deal with Brazil for the construction of a nuclear submarine capable of controlling the South Atlantic and threatening the Royal Navy's momentarily possessiion of the Malvinas/Falklands.
F*ck Guterres!

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD...

They were morons to sign it in the first place

They are morons for a lot of things.  Number one starting this war without proper preparations.  Brigades where all fully understaffed. Hence  such lack of infantry support for tanks,  lack of rear security, etc.

Then of course the batshit orders that tied the armies hands. Or the lack of proper intelligence and recce.

A lot of seat warmers in the officers ranks.  

Overall this is Putin and his camps fault. Rather then the armies.


Had Medvedev been in charge. Ukraine would have been done for in two months.

Moscow and Kiev reveal details of new prisoner swap

Moscow and Kiev have conducted a prisoner swap in which 50 Russian troops were released, the Russian Defense Ministry announced on Saturday.

The returned personnel will be airlifted to the Russian capital for medical treatment, the ministry said in a statement, adding that “their lives had been in danger during captivity.”

The acting head of Russia’s Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, wrote on his Telegram channel that the exchange was conducted on a ‘50-for-50’ basis.

“We are mostly handing over Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel,” Pushilin said.

“Fifty of our fighters are being freed, including seven people from the Donetsk People’s Republic and two from the Lugansk People’s Republic. We are waiting for guys to return home,” he wrote.

Andrey Yermak, the head of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s office, wrote on Telegram that 52 Ukrainians were released. He said that among them are 12 national guardsmen, 18 navy personnel, eight border guards, nine members of the volunteer Territorial Defense Force, three soldiers, and two civilians.

“We will not stop and continue to implement the president’s task of bringing all Ukrainians home,” Yermak stated.

Prisoner swaps have been occurring despite the absence of a ceasefire and months without meaningful peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.

Last week, Moscow freed 108 Ukrainian female soldiers in exchange for 110 Russians, many of whom were civilian sailors.

Another major swap took place last month, when 55 Russian and Donbass fighters were released, as well as Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk, who was charged with treason in Kiev. At the same time, more than 215 soldiers were handed over to Ukraine, according to President Vladimir Zelensky. They included more than 100 members of the Azov Battalion, whose ranks include fighters with openly nationalist and neo-Nazi views.

https://www.rt.com/russia/565582-russia-ukraine-pow-swap/

Serberus wrote: The preparation of this terrorist act and the training of military personnel of the Ukrainian 73rd Special Center for Maritime Operations were carried out under the guidance of British specialists located in the city of Ochakov, Nikolaev region of Ukraine.
According to available information, representatives of this unit of the British Navy took part in the planning, provision and implementation of a terrorist attack in the Baltic Sea on September 26 of this year. on blowing up the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines

We have the Russian mod outright state that the Anglo  Nazis have committed an act of war against  Russia, with regards to todays attack and the pipeline, yet zero response… all this will do is invite more and bigger attacks, as Russia remains passive.. Has anyone in Russia got any fucking balls left when it comes to dealing with the western scum? What is the point of even saying it, if you’re willing to take it up the ass, at least stfu about it

The world is going multi-polar, and the nations that will matter in this new arrangement will be under no delusions as to the innate criminality of the Western "powers" due to their rapidly expanding list of terrorist actions and criminal subterfuges.  Arrogant in-bred toff fuckheads in London, Brussels, Washington etc can yabber all they like with self-pleasing platitudes about their "exceptional" natures, but this stupidity will just bite them in their ring-pieces.

Let the West play their stupid games.  Leave the Russian security professionals to do their thing.  Russia will block most of their attacks, and the odd pin-pricks that get thru will be nothing but short-term minor inconvienices.  The rest of the world wll take note, and the already stiffened spine of the Russan population (who now want the banderites and their ilk as DEAD) will only straighten even more as the demand/desire for VENGENEANCE strengthens.

Ukrotrash and their Western kiddy-fiddler-fluffers are simply sowing the seeds of their own catatrophic loss.  Sun Tzu was right.  When your enemy is busy cutting out his own gizzards with a broken bottle, just sit and watch and provide encouragement from a distance.

par far wrote:Elon Musk's Starlink has been hijacked by the US military, it is be used in Ukraine and there talks it will be used in other countries as well.

What can be done to **** this system? Does Russia or China have the technology to block communications on Starlink, where it becomes useless?

Russia has ready been degrading Starlink services. You don't seriously believe that Musk is responsible for the collapse of service quality cuz he is not being paid? Its not geo-restrictions causing the problems but Russian jamming.

Just as with any wireless communications system, signals can be jammed You just need to understand the frequencies, modulation methods and coding techniques that the enemy uses, and precisiely where to direct the megawatts of electrical screech from your EW systems.

BTW it should be reasonably obvious that Starlink has always been a military system, or at a minumum, a dual-use system designed for military use in time of conflict. The promotion as a civilian network is just a smoke screen.

famschopman wrote:

franco wrote:    "As a result of the operational measures taken by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet, all air targets were destroyed," Igor Konashenkov, official representative of the military department, said at a briefing.

It only mentions air target being taken out, but doesn’t mention the sea drones.

Naturally. Russian mil intel will want to capture these devices intact, and they won't want NATOista agencies learning about the fate of their hardware. Expect a total media blackout on info regarding the UUVs.

limb wrote:I don't really care about accusations about Lapin being incompetent, but I'm worried that its true that he threatened mobilized troops with a gun for retreating due to lack of any support. O group also implies the guy has a short temper. Also there are accusations that those mobilized who suffered heavy casaulties, after being threatened by lapin, were left without any orders, and wagnerites who were supposed to command them just started insulting them and calling them traitors.

BTW if russia shoots down that shitty US global hawk would that actually trigger Article 5? On what grounds would that cause the US to declare war on russia, despite it already being a party to the conflict by using these drones to control ukrainian suicide drones.

Lapin is the commander of the Russian Central military district

It would be like Zhukov or Rokossovsky personally threatening some retreating troops with a gun in WW2. Coz you know, they happened to personally be there, while leading their theaters of war from the front in the trenches

AKA it never happened

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD...

They were morons to sign it in the first place

It was good politics. They earned good kama with the global south (especially the Africans and the ME), showed they were fair and reasonable, the Eurotrash predictably demonstated that they are selfish greedy cnts (took most of the grain for themselves, much going to animal feed, thereby showing their utter contempt for non-white hungry masses) and the scheme has now failed because of Ukropi intransigence and Western spite-filled bullshittery.

The Turks will be even more pissed with the West as the high-profile international deal they orchestrated is now wrecked due the actions of their "trusted partners" in HATOstan

All in all, I'd call it a good result

billybatts91 wrote:Predictable. Many of us questioned this deal and knew Ukraine was gonna use it to their advantage to harm Russia. I guess Russia probably knew as well and wanted to show the world that Ukraine was gonna take advantage of the deal to do terror acts against Russia. This deal should've never been signed smh...Russia making a lot of rookie mistakes.

https://twitter.com/nprworld/status/1586378588328427520

If Russia hadn't signed the deal, it wouldn't have been able to point to the West as having been the ones who tricked the 3rd world and diverted food supplies to themselves, nor being the ones who broke it by sponsoring a drone attack on Russian infrastructure.

The rookie here is you.

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD...

They were morons to sign it in the first place

Actually, I think the grain deal was very shrewd diplomacy. My friend, we are in a world war and have been so since at least 2014 (Maidan Square) and maybe as far back as 2004-05 (Orange Revolution, Bush leaving various ABM treaties, expanding NATO into Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) and the Ukraine front is but a small, albeit decisive, theater in the war. Africa, Asia, and the Americas (south of the US-Mexican border) are very vital fronts in terms of economics, power projection, and diplomacy. The US and NATO satanically calculated that Russia's intervention in Ukraine would lead to hunger and starvation in the global south. Putin very smartly signed a grain deal. This shows the global south, the intended audience of this deal, that Putin tried to ensure the foodstuffs and fertilizers would keep coming. That, he attempted (even against good military sense) to ensure the food supply would not stop. This won hearts and minds in the global south. By agreeing to the deal and saying he attempted the deal, only to see it sabotaged by NATO and Nazi terrorist activities, he plays well to an audience in the global south that is already suspicious, distrustful and bitter towards the Atlanticists. The grain deal gained Russia immeasurable support at the UN and in the populations of the global south and solidifies their stance against the National Socialist bloc.

Putin can now honestly say, I tried. I tried to keep the grainstuffs open. I tried to ensure that Russian and Ukrainian foodstuffs and fertilizers would continue to freely flow to you, but the treacherous Ukrainians and their NATO allies prevented the continuation of this. This means that should Putin engage in the long awaited and frankly long overdue liberation and denazification of Odessa and Nikolayevsk, the US and NATO will not enjoy any support for UN resolutions from the global south. They will remember who colonized them and who ended their colonization, who tried to keep them fed, and who prevented that. That is how you start building a multipolar world. The combat in the Ukraine is but a small front of a much larger and long term strategy that will destroy the Atlanticist world order.

RTN wrote:More embarrassment for the Russian Navy. A Ukrainian naval drone has attacked and damaged the Admiral Makarov Project 11356 frigate.

Such drones can be targeted by CIWS like AK-630 if sensors can detect them. Yet the Russian Navy failed, indicate huge gaps in the Russian OpSec and general awareness around their vessels

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1586358375389884417?s=20&t=ed0I12D6Z31-fqewZCrPMg

It's not an embarrassment, such drones are very new in naval warfare, hard to detect and hard to deal with.

How are AK-630s, optimized against anti-ship missiles flying close to or over the speed of sound - supposed to be able to detect underwater or partially submerged drones?

The best defense against them are EW means and jamming

You and billybalts are trying your hardest to serve NATO on this forum, but it's not going to work.

flamming_python wrote:

If Russia hadn't signed the deal, it wouldn't have been able to point to the West as having been the ones who tricked the 3rd world and diverted food supplies to themselves, nor being the ones who broke it by sponsoring a drone attack on Russian infrastructure.

The rookie here is you.

Bingo

Robert.V wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD...

They were morons to sign it in the first place

They are morons for a lot of things.  Number one starting this war without proper preparations.  Brigades where all fully understaffed. Hence  such lack of infantry support for tanks,  lack of rear security, etc.

Then of course the batshit orders that tied the armies hands. Or the lack of proper intelligence and recce.

A lot of seat warmers in the officers ranks.  

Overall this is Putin and his camps fault. Rather then the armies.


Had Medvedev been in charge. Ukraine would have been done for in two months.

I'll say to you what I've said to everyone else

It's a war. Things go wrong. People die

Because every war is based on outsmarting and deceiving the enemy among other things and they're trying to do the same back to you. Sometimes you will succeed and sometimes they will

I don't see any evidence of a lack of preparation at all. Simply just some theories, some equipment, some tactics, some commanders didn't perform as expected in a real war of this scale. And it's the same situation for the other side.

On balance the mistakes made by the Ukrainian-NATO side have been far more reckless, as if they care about the lives of their men less. From betting on the Russian economy collapsing and having to improvise a plan B when it didn't, to the suicide charges in the Kherson region and other places that decimated that new Ukrainian army that was being made, to leisurely deploying masses of mercs and SF trainers at the Yaroriv base at the beginning of the war only to get taken out in mass cruise missile strikes.

The fact that you don't hear about the other side's mistakes but have to infer them - because their control of information and state propaganda is stronger than Russia's ever was - is another matter.

Robert.V wrote:They are morons for a lot of things.  Number one starting this war without proper preparations.  Brigades where all fully understaffed. Hence  such lack of infantry support for tanks,  lack of rear security, etc.

Then of course the batshit orders that tied the armies hands. Or the lack of proper intelligence and recce.

A lot of seat warmers in the officers ranks.  

Overall this is Putin and his camps fault. Rather then the armies.

Had Medvedev been in charge. Ukraine would have been done for in two months.

What a load of febrile BS.

We've been over this so many times, yet still we get these little children throwing their useless opinions into the debate, acheiving nothing but a brief moment of unwelcome pot-stirring... Life is simply too short to bother wasting breath on people who refuse to grow up.

Hmm.. Let me explain the big picture.

War is more than just simple kinetics. War is POLITICS by alternate means. The conductance of the SMO is intended to fulfill ALL of Russias strategic aims, not just turning the Ukro army into 100x olympic swimming pools full of red paste. This is a CIVILISATIONAL struggle, intended as the catalyst for the termination of Western global hegemony and the emergence of a multi-polar world, and it has been since the moment Putin that ordered the troops to pull a mini-zerg of Banderite Central and to secure the southern land bridge to Krim.

Ignore the tactical minutiae. Focus on the trends and the big picture. Ukrop forces are spent. Their advances, such as they were, are done as Russia has ceased withdrawing for the purposes of force protection, have inflicted massive attrition onto enemy froces, and are now holding their lines in preparation for the Winter Offensive to come. Ukrop losses have been CATASTROPHIC. Russian losses, while regrettable, have been minor by any comparison. Ukrops will huddle in the cold of their darkened cities with hunger gnawing at their childrens bellies. Russian homes will be well-light, warm and comfortable as they tuck in at their bountiful tables. The Russian economy is SOLID and back in growth (even the Kremlin is surpised how resilient the nation has proved). The Russian public now FULLY REALISE that this is an existential threat and that the West is an avowed ENEMY of their nation, civilisation, identity, culture, **** <insert any characterictic here>.

When all of this is over, the Collective West will have been BROKEN and its (fake) power SMASHED for all of the worlds peoples to see and celebrate. Russia can then mourn her lost heroes, and conduct a honest (internal) appraisal of what went wrong, when and how. The West can then struggle to deal with an Imperial Collape of Romanesque proportions, and both Russia and the rest of the (truly) civilised world can politely decline any requests for assistance as Pax Uh'Murikkkana gasps out it last reflexive breaths of its death rattle.

Serberus wrote: The preparation of this terrorist act and the training of military personnel of the Ukrainian 73rd Special Center for Maritime Operations were carried out under the guidance of British specialists located in the city of Ochakov, Nikolaev region of Ukraine.
According to available information, representatives of this unit of the British Navy took part in the planning, provision and implementation of a terrorist attack in the Baltic Sea on September 26 of this year. on blowing up the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines

We have the Russian mod outright state that the Anglo  Nazis have committed an act of war against  Russia, with regards to todays attack and the pipeline, yet zero response… all this will do is invite more and bigger attacks, as Russia remains passive.. Has anyone in Russia got any fucking balls left when it comes to dealing with the western scum? What is the point of even saying it, if you’re willing to take it up the ass, at least stfu about it

I'll explain

It's not a matter of balls nor of means. Simply one of information. If you don't know where said British specialists are, you can't take them out. Russia knows the town where they're based in, or supposes to, but that's about it. If their location is revealed then they'll be eliminated without any difficulty. While destroying an entire town just to kill them and what Ukrainian specialists work with them is not Russia's approach.

This problem is not as easy as it may sound to you or to other gung-ho types here. The US had constant trouble locating this or that pro-Iranian militia leader in Iraq, sometimes having to look for them for years.

In fact a number of cruise missile strikes across the Ukraine over the course of the war concerned themselves with targeting NATO specialists, I remember near Odessa some M777 artillery specialists were reported as killed by the Russian MoD. And there are other examples. Sometimes these mercs or agents though will succeed in what they're there to do and that's just part of war.

flamming_python wrote:You and billybalts are trying your hardest to serve NATO on this forum, but it's not going to work.

Despicable little HATO-fluffers at work. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were NAFOs. Their shit stinks in exactly the same way.

I'd encourage ALL forum members to block these bozos and not openly quote their nonsense. If you must quote them however, pls edit out their names and replace with a suitable "alternative" handle

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:You and billybalts are trying your hardest to serve NATO on this forum, but it's not going to work.

Despicable little HATO-fluffers at work.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were NAFOs.  Their shit stinks in exactly the same way.

I'd encourage ALL forum members to block these bozos and not openly quote their nonsense.  If you must quote them however, pls edit out their names and replace with a suitable "alternative" handle

Nah, it's ok to have them and have a laugh at their nonsense.

Lapain wrote:Nah, it's ok to have them and have a laugh at their nonsense.

Hmm... thats the adult approach I admit... even if it makes us look like a sheltered workshop for idiots.

Lapain wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:You and billybalts are trying your hardest to serve NATO on this forum, but it's not going to work.

Despicable little HATO-fluffers at work.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were NAFOs.  Their shit stinks in exactly the same way.

I'd encourage ALL forum members to block these bozos and not openly quote their nonsense.  If you must quote them however, pls edit out their names and replace with a suitable "alternative" handle

Nah, it's ok to have them and have a laugh at their nonsense.

Personally I don't have a problem with critical or opposing points of view. I'm also critical when it's warranted, although I don't of course take the ukrop side

But if said arguments, claims are primitive and ill-thought out such that they waste everyone's time and energy then you can bet they'll be called out and challenged.

i wasnt joking about this scenario.

flamming_python wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Predictable. Many of us questioned this deal and knew Ukraine was gonna use it to their advantage to harm Russia. I guess Russia probably knew as well and wanted to show the world that Ukraine was gonna take advantage of the deal to do terror acts against Russia. This deal should've never been signed smh...Russia making a lot of rookie mistakes.

https://twitter.com/nprworld/status/1586378588328427520

If Russia hadn't signed the deal, it wouldn't have been able to point to the West as having been the ones who tricked the 3rd world and diverted food supplies to themselves, nor being the ones who broke it by sponsoring a drone attack on Russian infrastructure.

The rookie here is you.

Ah....so it was all a 4D chess move lol. You're the Eternal Optimist Wow, it's pretty sad that Putin/Russian leadership ass kissers, like you, will stoop to these levels to excuse Russia's incompetence. You seem to have an answer for everything and spin every bad news as somehow good for Russia. You think you're smart, you're not. You're just coming up with creative ways to excuse Russia's piss-poor performance so far. A majority of what you write is absolute laughable nonsense, pure delusion. Russia needs some cold hard reality now, people like you are the problem. Pretending like Russia is doing great and pulling one 4D chess move after another, meanwhile they're losing this war currently and it will take a miracle to turn things around. God help Russia if there's clowns like you throughout the leadership with that idiotic mindset.

flamming_python wrote:

Lapain wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:You and billybalts are trying your hardest to serve NATO on this forum, but it's not going to work.

Despicable little HATO-fluffers at work.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were NAFOs.  Their shit stinks in exactly the same way.

I'd encourage ALL forum members to block these bozos and not openly quote their nonsense.  If you must quote them however, pls edit out their names and replace with a suitable "alternative" handle

Nah, it's ok to have them and have a laugh at their nonsense.

Personally I don't have a problem with critical or opposing points of view. I'm also critical when it's warranted, although I don't of course take the ukrop side

But if said arguments, claims are primitive and ill-thought out such that they waste everyone's time and energy then you can bet they'll be called out and challenged.

lol, so Russia's current actions don't warrant criticism according to you? You absolute clown!