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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:32 pm

    franco wrote:
    Not true in so many ways.
    1 - commander of the Central MD not the Northern MD
    2 - successful in Syria, liberated Palmaria
    3 - took over command of the Russian forces in Luhansk and Kharkov from the Western MD commander when he faltered. Liberated Severodonetsk / Lysychans'k, Popasna and I believe he was in command of liberating Lyman and possibly Izyum.
    Izyum was taken by one of the units of WMD. I think 20th army. 
    It is not clear how much about Lapin is true and how much is false, as he had  powerful enemies. Many groups are looking to gain influence and bigger say in the front. Too many rumours are flying around for and against him.

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    Post  famschopman Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:33 pm

    franco wrote:Read somewhere but cannot locate now that 4 were destroyed out at sea, 1 detonated against the antisubmarine net and another damaged (?) the minesweeper while being destroyed... that leaves one and obviously it was accounted for somehow.

    Apparently, a video was published with drone onboard video. Looks like the Russian ship actually engaged the drone it seeing bullets impacting the water but missing it. Based on the bow this looks identical to the drone that was washed up on shore a while back.

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    I think Russia should simply sink all military ships from Ukraine in response, no mercy and additionally make a statement that any RQ-4 in the vicinity will be shot down without warning. It's time to take a stand and stop being a pussy.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:39 pm

    There are no "Ukrainian military ships".

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    Post  limb Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:40 pm

    Im quite angry that lapin was dismissed. its clear that he was a scapegoat who was given an impossible task with insufficient resources, i.e holding liman while the western military district was twiddling its thumbs and abandoning the northern flank.

    People have to remember that Lapin is from the central military district. The guys defending liman, izyum, kupyansk were all Western military district, i.e. the court parade divisions. These are the bozos who lost entire columns and abandoned dozens of modern tanks and BMPs to the ukrainians around kharkov. Not Lapin. These are the guys who got routed around kupyansk. Also the western military district Tamanskaya division just left its mobilized to freeze, their commanders calling them cannon fodder. No western military district commander has been eliminaed from his post, despite that district causing by far the most fuckups.
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    Post  franco Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:44 pm

    limb wrote:Im quite angry that lapin was dismissed. its clear that he was a scapegoat who was given an impossible task with insufficient resources, i.e holding liman while the western military district was twiddling its thumbs and abandoning the northern flank.

    People have to remember that Lapin is from the central military district. The guys defending liman, izyum, kupyansk were all Western military district, i.e. the court parade divisions. These are the bozos who lost entire columns and abandoned dozens of modern tanks and BMPs to the ukrainians around kharkov. Not Lapin. These are the guys who got routed around kupyansk. Also the western military district Tamanskaya division just left its mobilized to freeze, their commanders calling them cannon fodder. No western military district commander has been eliminaed from his post, despite that district causing by far the most fuckups.

    Wrong again, the Western MD commander was replaced with one of the Eastern MD Army commanders.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pm

    franco wrote:
    Wrong again, the Western MD commander was replaced with one of the Eastern MD Army commanders.
    Two Western MD commanders were replaced already. It looks like problems are much deeper than that. From most battpe reports only 20th army is regularly mentioned as the one taking part in fighting. Maybe right decision would be to put commander of 20th army in charge of whole MD?
    By the way, 1st tank army is one of the problematic units, while it is supposed to be elite unit.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:09 pm

    Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD.
    Seems we know where was the control&command of those drones now.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:09 pm

    If Russians really know that there are Brits stationed in Ochakov or anywhere else in Odessa region, why are they not destroyed?
    Also, shooting down one of the US recon drones in Black Sea   should have been done long time ago. What are they going to do about it that's worse then what is already done?
    As for Admiral Makarov, we will find out in next few days if it was really hit by drones.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:14 pm

    I'm kinda worried about Makarov.

    The drone can pack some 100-200 Kg of warhead. and nowadays warships are flimsy. But anyway i'm curious about Local Sevastopol.. one of them might put video.
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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:31 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Anyway as we can see, Ukrs are nothing more than stronger ISIS created to harm the opposite states in substitute of the slave masters.
    Going head-to-head Daesh fighters are propably more motivated.  Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:34 pm

    par far wrote:How would you deal with it?
    Already done. De-synchronization. The Tirada jammer system is used to fool the portable ground stations and the satellites. They think they are not connected and try it over and over again. Bad for the batteries. Accordingto some experts the on-board system of the satellites could be damaged, too. In the best case scenario the ground station connects to the jammer and doesn´t realize it.

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Russia is suspending the "grain deal", that was announced by the MoD.
    Seems we know where was the control&command of those drones now.
    Do stupid things earn rising prices. 

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:38 pm

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:07 pm

    Yes I heard on BBC, about Russia accusation against UK involvement against NS pipeline , and today these sea drones are manufactured and sent by them too . I did say they were involved , because it has all the hallmarks of British 007 type operation . Now that Russia says UK responsible , then no turning back and needs open response . Can no longer be 007 type response . Open response invites open retaliation . Fairly quickly we are passing nuclear thresholds . Good to see this . But for a ten course meal , what  starter to choose to feed them ? Undersea pipes or internet followed by starlink and GPS kill with kinetic sub - munitions , a side salad of LDPR fired high carb Iranian made MRBM , against ukr base in Poland and then for the main course a tactical nuke , high in calories above yank space orbit at night  ! I think they will not stomach all this and will burst first !


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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:33 pm

    Predictable. Many of us questioned this deal and knew Ukraine was gonna use it to their advantage to harm Russia. I guess Russia probably knew as well and wanted to show the world that Ukraine was gonna take advantage of the deal to do terror acts against Russia. This deal should've never been signed smh...Russia making a lot of rookie mistakes.

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    Post  RTN Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:34 pm

    More embarrassment for the Russian Navy. A Ukrainian naval drone has attacked and damaged the Admiral Makarov Project 11356 frigate.

    Such drones can be targeted by CIWS like AK-630 if sensors can detect them. Yet the Russian Navy failed, indicate huge gaps in the Russian OpSec and general awareness around their vessels

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:41 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Going head-to-head Daesh fighters are propably more motivated.  Laughing

    Naaah, they just get the better stuff as Afghanistan Drug Inc. Ltd. was still operating at a full scale Laughing Laughing

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:48 pm

    RTN wrote:More embarrassment for the Russian Navy. A Ukrainian naval drone has attacked and damaged the Admiral Makarov Project 11356 frigate.

    Such drones can be targeted by CIWS like AK-630 if sensors can detect them. Yet the Russian Navy failed, indicate huge gaps in the Russian OpSec and general awareness around their vessels


    There's no denying Russia has performed abysmally so far. The fact that they're still allowing attacks like this, in Sevastopol of all places, is embarrassing. Putin and Co. should be ashamed of themselves.

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    Post  limb Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:27 pm

    Why didnt the frigate shoot at the drone with its CIWS?
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    Post  auslander Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:32 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:I'm kinda worried about Makarov.
    The drone can pack some 100-200 Kg of warhead. and nowadays warships are flimsy. But anyway i'm curious about Local Sevastopol.. one of them might put video.

    We are fine. Most of the fighting was outside of the harbor mouth, generally but not always a little north of harbor off Uchkuevka Beach. We watched it all, air defense doing what they do so well and then the Flot opened up with both barrels, so to speak.

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    Post  Robert.V Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:33 pm

    limb wrote:Why didnt the frigate shoot at the drone with its CIWS?

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:50 pm

    If it was damaged or sunk, they will have to launch Kinzhals at QE 2 carriers and sink them.

    No other answer would be enough.

    Those drones are not made by ukraine and certainly not manned since they need relays that only nato has.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:20 pm

    Isos wrote:If it was damaged or sunk, they will have to launch Kinzhals at QE 2 carriers and sink them.

    No other answer would be enough.

    Those drones are not made by ukraine and certainly not manned since they need relays that only nato has.
    Please no. The British aircraft carriers are useless and ensure that Britain will not have a properly functioning navy for a long while. Sinking those will only bring benefits to UK. If they have to sink a british ship better sink a destroyer. Less impact for PR but more effective in damaging their navy capabilities.

    Anyway the proper answer is remove the access to the sea for Ukraine (liberate Nikolaev and Odessa) and remove land access to north western Ukraine (enter from South western Bielorussia and occupy the border).

    The problem is that in addition to the border with Poland (and smaller borders with slovakia and Hungary) there is also a large border with Romania...

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:25 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Isos wrote:If it was damaged or sunk, they will have to launch Kinzhals at QE 2 carriers and sink them.

    No other answer would be enough.

    Those drones are not made by ukraine and certainly not manned since they need relays that only nato has.
    Please no. The British aircraft carriers are useless and ensure that Britain will not have a properly functioning navy for a long while. Sinking those will only bring benefits to UK. If they have to sink a british ship better sink a destroyer. Less impact for PR but more effective in damaging their navy capabilities.

    Anyway the proper answer is remove the access to the sea for Ukraine (liberate Nikolaev and Odessa) and remove land access to north western Ukraine (enter from South western Bielorussia and occupy the border).

    The problem is that in addition to the border with Poland (and smaller borders with slovakia and Hungary) there is also a large border with Romania...

    They can always find founds for a new frigate to replace an older destroyer.

    But finding founds for new carriers would be impossible. And they plan to use them within US carrier groups so they aren't useless.

    And the propaganda ops would be magistic.

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