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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:38 pm

    LMFS wrote:Geroman
    Forwarded from Scott Ritter Live Streams
    The total amount of Western military assistance to Ukraine has reached $85 billion, or 7% of the total budget of all NATO members. This makes Ukraine Number 3 this year in terms of military budget.

    ..and they STILL can't win except in isolated areas where they have a massive manpower advantage (and for reasons yet to be fully understood, the Russians decline to bolster defenses in advance of a predictable offensive).

    Only a raving imbecile could fail to see the significance of this Twisted Evil

    A storm is coming, and it will change EVERYTHING.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:47 pm

    October 2, 13:42,
    updated October 2, 13:50
    Signing of agreements on the entry of new subjects into the Russian Federation

    Putin submitted to the Duma bills on the admission of the DPR, LPR, Kherson region and Zaporozhye in the Russian Federation


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    MOSCOW, 2 October. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin submitted to the State Duma drafts of a federal constitutional law on the admission of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions to the Russian Federation. This was reported to TASS in the press service of the State Duma Committee on State Construction and Legislation.
    "Four draft federal constitutional laws (FKZ) on the entry of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions into the Russian Federation were submitted to the State Duma by the President of the Russian Federation," the press service said.

    According to the document, the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are accepted into the Russian Federation in accordance with the constitution and legislation of the Russian Federation, forming new subjects - two republics and two regions. The name of the new subject of the Russian Federation will be included in the first part of Article 65 of the Constitution of Russia, which lists the Russian regions.

    According to the head of the committee, Pavel Krasheninnikov, whose words are quoted by the press service, the bills are planned to be considered in the State Duma on October 3, and in the Federation Council on October 4. "In accordance with the FKZ, after signing by the president, amendments are made to Article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where the corresponding names of the regions will be indicated," Krasheninnikov noted.​​​​​


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    October 2, 12:37 pm, TASS
    updated October 2, 14:16
    Signing of agreements on the entry of new subjects into the Russian Federation

    DPR and LPR will retain the status of republics in the Russian Federation with Russian as the state language


    MOSCOW, 2 October. /TASS/. The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics will retain the status of republics within Russia. The relevant clauses are spelled out in the treaties on the admission of these states to the Russian Federation, references to which are contained in the decisions published on Sunday on the website of the Constitutional Court of Russia.

    "According to Article 2 of the Treaty under consideration, from the day the Donetsk People's Republic is admitted to the Russian Federation, a new subject is formed as part of the Russian Federation - the Donetsk People's Republic," the decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on recognizing the constitutionality of the treaty on the admission of the DPR to Russia says. A similar clause is spelled out in the agreement between Russia and the LPR: "<...> a new subject is formed as part of the Russian Federation - the LuGansk People's Republic."

    Both treaties stipulate that the state language of the Donetsk People's Republic and the LuGansk People's Republic "is the Russian language, and the Russian Federation guarantees all peoples living on the territory of the" DPR and LPR "the right to preserve their native language, create conditions for its study and development" .

    In turn, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions within the Russian Federation will become regions with the same names.

    The decisions of the Constitutional Court say that granting the status of republics to the DPR and LPR does not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Also, the granting of the status of regions to two other regions also corresponds to the basic law, the decrees say.

    On September 30, a solemn ceremony was held in the Kremlin, during which Russian President Vladimir Putin signed agreements with the heads of these territories on their inclusion in the Russian Federation. Earlier, referendums were held there, the inhabitants of the regions supported the accession to Russia by a majority of votes.





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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:51 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Geroman
    Forwarded from Scott Ritter Live Streams
    The total amount of Western military assistance to Ukraine has reached $85 billion, or 7% of the total budget of all NATO members. This makes Ukraine Number 3 this year in terms of military budget.

    ..and they STILL can't win except in isolated areas where they have a massive manpower advantage (and for reasons yet to be fully understood, the Russians decline to bolster defenses in advance of a predictable offensive).

    Only a raving imbecile could fail to see the significance of this Twisted Evil

    A storm is coming, and it will change EVERYTHING.


    Cheers to Australia and you're right - The Heavy Armored Russian Rock 'n' Roll Train is coming... !


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:56 pm

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    * More than 35 employees were killed as a result of the airborne strike on the building of the SBU in Dnepropetrovsk

    As a result of the strike of the VKS on September 29 on the building of the SBU in Dnepropetrovsk, according to updated data, more than 35 employees were destroyed - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    "According to updated data, as a result of a high-precision missile attack by the Russian Aerospace Forces on September 29 this year on the building of the Security Service of Ukraine in the city of Dnepropetrovsk, more than 35 SBU employees, including foreign advisers, were killed. About 40 SBU employees are listed as missing," - Konashenkov said.


    Once the ascension of liberated oblasts has been ratified by the Duma, a priority for the ATO must be the ERADICATION of the Gestapo... err... SBU... err... whatever the fck these souless murderers call themselves.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:04 pm

    And one song for the NAZI yellow-blue cocksucker 'Elensky...
    Greetings from Senna




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:12 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Geroman
    Forwarded from Scott Ritter Live Streams
    The total amount of Western military assistance to Ukraine has reached $85 billion, or 7% of the total budget of all NATO members. This makes Ukraine Number 3 this year in terms of military budget.

    ..and they STILL can't win except in isolated areas where they have a massive manpower advantage (and for reasons yet to be fully understood, the Russians decline to bolster defenses in advance of a predictable offensive).

    Only a raving imbecile could fail to see the significance of this Twisted Evil

    A storm is coming, and it will change EVERYTHING.


    however the one thing sucks...why de hell  civilians were not evacuated from Liman?! to leave them to ber massacred  by ukro-hai hordes? why? aren't they Russian citizens
    ?



    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    * More than 35 employees were killed as a result of the airborne strike on the building of the SBU in Dnepropetrovsk


    Once the ascension of liberated oblasts has been ratified by the Duma, a priority for the ATO must be the ERADICATION of the Gestapo...  err...  SBU... err...  whatever the fck these souless murderers call themselves.

    it would be start to take down criminal administration and government too


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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:14 pm

    Serberus wrote:
    Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov (baldie), new commander of the western military district. Alexander Zhuravlev (cap) removed from the post.
    Also rumours of a new commander that will be put in charge of the entire SMO
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/709

    Wonder why he got removed if all was a planned trap?
    This is actually a good thing. Normal reaction that should continue until best men occupy most critical positions.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:22 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Wonder why he got removed if all was a planned trap?
    This is actually a good thing. Normal reaction that should continue until best men occupy most critical positions.[/quote]

    previous one should have a chance to reclaim his name in ( штрафбат) shtrafbats
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    Post  Serberus Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:30 pm


    ⚡Kreminnaya⚡Situation on 02.10.22⚡ Since yesterday, Kreminnaya has become a front-line city. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, using an offensive impulse, yesterday tried to attack Kremennaya from Terna, but were stopped by our artillery. Today, the city began to be intensively shelled by neo-Nazi artillery. @wargonzo.


    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/720
    Preliminary reports of the upcoming defense of Kremennaya is already looking bleak. Same situation as Lyman, severe manpower shortages which does not allow them to cover all necessary corners. Prepare for more bad news.

    🔸Torskoye in full UA control, leaving Kremennaya vulnerable.

    🔸UA arty has started working on Kremennaya

    🔸Those units involved in Lyman are digging in as fast as they can.

    🔸No words of reinforcements coming to Kremennaya.


    https://t.me/intelslava/38261

    Sea of new troops


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:31 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:however the one thing sucks...why de hell  civilians were not evacuated from Liman?! to leave them to ber massacred  by ukro-hai hordes? why? aren't they Russian citizens
    ?

    By all accounts Krasny Liman (not Liman) was virtually abandoned. There are probably a few die-hards who refused to leave, and hopefully they will not incur the attention of the Einsatzgruppen, but its never a good idea to hope for the best when Nazi trash are involved.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:it would be start to take down criminal administration and government  too

    Yup, goes without saying.

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    Post  franco Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:34 pm

    Serberus wrote:Our guys entrenching themselves around Kremennaya as the next line of defence, hopefully this time around more reserves are brought in and the Nazis are stopped and pushed back.
    https://t.me/sashakots/36157


    Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov (baldie), new commander of the western military district. Alexander Zhuravlev (cap) removed from the post.
    Also rumours of a new commander that will be put in charge of the entire SMO
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/709

    Wonder why he got removed if all was a planned trap?



    Western Military District was in command of Luhansk and Kharkov operations while the Southern Military District looked after Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporozhye operations. The Western MD has under-performed to say the less.

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    Post  auslander Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:48 pm

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    auslander wrote:
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    auslander wrote:All this screaming and pontificating about who should do what in the war, give it a rest. You are wasting your time and any of us who have served and fought laugh at you. Y'all haven't a clue as to what it's really like.
    Auslander
    Posts don't come more sobering than yours. God bless you both.
    Thank you, John. We will never forget them, but life goes on. It took a long time for my wife's tears to subside but she's a tough lady and she knows these deaths were not the only ones we will have to deal with. Sad but true.
    On a side issue, isn't it about time you put one of your collies back as your avatar, with a nice Z ribbon?

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    This is Kristl'Yannah, aka Kristina, our youngest girl, 1 year old. I'll see if VCO can to something about an avatar with this small hurricane and the Z ribbon. Check out them blue eyes, rare for any collie and more so for a blue merle. She and our other blue are inseparable, as far as Krista is concerned Sophia is her mother. Krista is already Champion as of last weekend.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:27 pm

    auslander wrote:

    This is Kristl'Yannah, aka Kristina, our youngest girl, 1 year old. I'll see if VCO can to something about an avatar with this small hurricane and the Z ribbon. Check out them blue eyes, rare for any collie and more so for a blue merle. She and our other blue are inseparable, as far as Krista is concerned Sophia is her mother. Krista is already Champion as of last weekend.

    Any chance of a piccy of them all together? From experience, I had a border collie, that's a whole lot of fur work there Very Happy Well suited for your climate.
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    Post  thegopnik Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:31 pm

    I am starting to wonder if letting lyman get captured and showcasing these videos was done intentionally to have the reserves enter battle pissed off than being scared more.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Oct 02, 2022 4:53 pm

    Sacking the WD Commander shows it wasn't a trap nor done on purpose. So no they didn't retreat for that reason

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    Post  auslander Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:

    This is Kristl'Yannah, aka Kristina, our youngest girl, 1 year old. I'll see if VCO can to something about an avatar with this small hurricane and the Z ribbon. Check out them blue eyes, rare for any collie and more so for a blue merle. She and our other blue are inseparable, as far as Krista is concerned Sophia is her mother. Krista is already Champion as of last weekend.

    Any chance of a piccy of them all together? From experience, I had a border collie, that's a whole lot of fur work there Very Happy Well suited for your climate.

    I'll check with VCO and see what she has, she's the photographer.
    We raised 'old style' collies for years, big and strong boys, handsome and solid girls, not the little divan pillows so popular now. Sophia is Champion many times over but sadly, like many blues, she is barren. We will breed Krista next spring, not now, she's too young although she is in her 'days' and poor Aleksandr is nuts. Not a chance, he's yellow so we have to find a big black boy like Alek's father was.Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27 - Page 10 A_424a10
    Sophia 4 years ago. She ain't changed a bit. And, she does not loose her winter coat in spring, all year long she's a huge fir ball.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:40 pm

    It is a very good thing that Ukrainians continue to throw forces in Kherson:
    https://t.me/milinfolive/91225
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:54 pm

    franco wrote:
    Serberus wrote:Our guys entrenching themselves around Kremennaya as the next line of defence, hopefully this time around more reserves are brought in and the Nazis are stopped and pushed back.
    https://t.me/sashakots/36157


    Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov (baldie), new commander of the western military district. Alexander Zhuravlev (cap) removed from the post.
    Also rumours of a new commander that will be put in charge of the entire SMO
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/709

    Wonder why he got removed if all was a planned trap?




    Western Military District was in command of Luhansk and Kharkov operations while the Southern Military District looked after Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporozhye operations. The Western MD has under-performed to say the less.

    1 - there has been talk for awhile of just having 1 commander for the whole SMO and briefly it was announced there was... not sure of status here
    2 - the Central MD commander was put in charge of clearing out Luhansk (which he did) due to command problems there. Not sure of the present command structure here and he was the general that Kadyrov called out the other day
    3 - at the start of the SMO, the northern forces out of Belarus where under the command of the Eastern MD. Not sure who or what still operates there.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:13 pm

    Serberus wrote:Our guys entrenching themselves around Kremennaya as the next line of defence, hopefully this time around more reserves are brought in and the Nazis are stopped and pushed back.
    https://t.me/sashakots/36157

    Well if Russia is content to have given up eastern Kharkov region and Krasnyj Liman, it may well decide to do so again with more territory and you're just going to have to get used to it.

    Rolling with the punches so to speak.

    Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov (baldie), new commander of the western military district. Alexander Zhuravlev (cap) removed from the post.
    Also rumours of a new commander that will be put in charge of the entire SMO
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/709

    Wonder why he got removed if all was a planned trap?

    His performance might have been found wanting anyway.
    Or it could be part of some deception. You want to keep encouraging the Ukr forces to advance

    Once again, it's pretty obvious that Russian command could have reinforced Krasnyj Liman if they had wanted to and had weeks to do it. Same with the Kharkov region, despite all the doomsaying about how Russia was somehow surprised there and caught completely flat-footed.
    In both cases the retreat was performed with minimal losses and the enemy suffered considerable attrition in its advance.

    Most of Kherson front appears to still be deathtrap for the Wehrmacht
    https://t.me/ghostnewsx/707

    They did however make a breakthrough in one area and captured a village called Zolotaya Balka, reported by both sides. Apparently no Russian reserves in this area so could get worse.
    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/25163

    If there are no Russian reserves in this area so then it's not important

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:14 pm

    https://yur-gazeta.ru/newsday/rossijskie-vojska-ostavili-krasnyj-liman-svezhie-novosti-na-segodnya-2-oktyabrya-2022-chto-proizoshlo.html?ysclid=l8rj5lhgux448118650 any source about the amount of russian troops in that were in liman other than 23,000 ukrainian charge?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:17 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Sacking the WD Commander shows it wasn't a trap nor done on purpose. So no they didn't retreat for that reason

    That it was done on purpose is pretty obvious. If you want to hold a location you don't just man it with 500 troops and neglect to send any reinforcements or conduct any of your own counter-attacks in the vicinity to relieve the pressure for a whole 3 weeks.
    No amount of crappy communication or command conflicts can explain something like that.
    Russian commanders in WW1 held territory more competently, and its rather unlikely the same army which has so rapidly adapted to NATO tactics and overturned the chess board during the opening months of the war would now be suffering some catastrophic casscading failure of the chain of command that would prevent it from sending a couple more battalions to hold an area if it was inclined to do so.

    As for sacking the commander - I'd say that events are going Russia's way on the ground. It's suffering few casualties while the enemy keeps throwing masses of troops into the open.
    Maybe the commander has underperformed in certain areas or maybe Russia just wants to encourage the enemy to keep advancing further with such a ruse.

    I don't think any such ruse will neccessarily be all that convincing. Ukrainian and NATO officers are not idiots. They know Russia is pulling its punches deliberately.
    But perhaps Russian command is counting on greed and hubris blinding them anyway. That's a common ailment when it comes to warfare no matter how intelligent and well-informed any given side is.


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    Post  thegopnik Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:22 pm

    getting 12k-15k ukraine charge on liman how many bars soldiers were there exactly? https://amfora.livejournal.com/790937.html

    edit: found source https://www.discred.ru/2022/10/02/krasnyj-liman-paniku-otstavit/?ysclid=l8rjzhajrb606795461

    The balance of forces as of September 30 was approximately as follows: the number of attackers (APU) was, according to some estimates, 12-15 thousand, according to others more than 20 thousand. The defense in the Estuary itself was held by one or two battalions of BARS (up to 1000 fighters), on the outskirts of the Lyman units of the 20th OA numbering about 3 thousand more fighters, according to the military.

    Thus, the Armed Forces of Ukraine created a 3-5 times numerical advantage in this area and had the opportunity to close the environment in the very near future.

    There were no free reserves to strengthen the defense for the above reason - an acute shortage of personnel on the entire front due to its long length and the total numerical superiority of the enemy by about 2-3 times.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:23 pm

    What will happen to the war once the 300,000 reserve troops enter the frontlines?
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    Post  Arrow Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:29 pm

    Not good.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Sacking the WD Commander shows it wasn't a trap nor done on purpose. So no they didn't retreat for that reason

    That it was done on purpose is pretty obvious. If you want to hold a location you don't just man it with 500 troops and neglect to send any reinforcements or conduct any of your own counter-attacks in the vicinity to relieve the pressure for a whole 3 weeks.
    No amount of crappy communication or command conflicts can explain something like that.
    Russian commanders in WW1 held territory more competently, and its rather unlikely the same army which has so rapidly adapted to NATO tactics and overturned the chess board during the opening months of the war would now be suffering some catastrophic casscading failure of the chain of command that would prevent it from sending a couple more battalions to hold an area if it was inclined to do so.

    As for sacking the commander - I'd say that events are going Russia's way on the ground. It's suffering few casualties while the enemy keeps throwing masses of troops into the open.
    Maybe the commander has underperformed in certain areas or maybe Russia just wants to encourage the enemy to keep advancing further with such a ruse.

    I don't think any such ruse will neccessarily be all that convincing. Ukrainian and NATO officers are not idiots. They know Russia is pulling its punches deliberately.
    But perhaps Russian command is counting on greed and hubris blinding them anyway. That's a common ailment when it comes to warfare no matter how intelligent and well-informed any given side is.

    You keep saying this but russian troops and officers say otherwise, at this point you just refuse to see whats in front of you

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