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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:52 pm

    The USSR had its benefits but the issue they created for Russia geopolitically and geographically is being felt now and in future. After this, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan will have to be dealt with, as they are testing their luck too.

    This is something Russia cannot ignore and will have to confront. Flaming Python and others who romanticize something their own people wanted gone, will also have to face up to reality of this problem and who was responsible. Acknowledging the problem is first step to recovery.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The USSR had its benefits but the issue they created for Russia geopolitically and geographically is being felt now and in future. After this, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan will have to be dealt with, as they are testing their luck too.

    This is something Russia cannot ignore and will have to confront. Flaming Python and others who romanticize something their own people wanted gone, will also have to face up to reality of this problem and who was responsible.  Acknowledging the problem is first step to recovery.

    The reason for this is that he and some Russians like him on this forum have no identity.
    The country that succeeded the USSR was created by Russian emperors and empresses. And who came? The Bolsheviks, the same ones who crushed anyone who thought the opposite of them. Each rascal did what he wanted with the "red party card". Entire families were killed by individuals in order to enter the circle of "higher" party comrades.
    It is obvious that the flaming squirrel lives for "brotherhood and unity" with Azerbaijan, even though they hate him there because he is an Orthodox Christian. Those in Azerbaijan have preserved their identity and go to the mosque and hate everything that has nothing to do with Islam. Flaming Squirrel still admires Lenin. Flamming squirrel, nobody is interested in Lenin or Stalin in Azerbeijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc. Even during the USSR, Russia was a cow that everyone milked, that is, all Soviet republics received cheap Russian resources. And what did you get in return, flaming squirell ?
    Everyone hates Russia from the members of the former USSR, except Belarus. And FP wrote to me that "the Bolshevik state was a good project". Go to church, FP, pray to God and he will forgive you for believing in that satanic godless project, which has served only a few well.
    THE RUSSIANS (bolsheviks) KILLED THE ENTIRE IMPERIAL FAMILY. KARMA IS A BITCH AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW !
    Only satanists and antichrists can do such a thing.



    There are those in Serbia as well, who brag about Tito's Yugoslavia, the same one that cost Serbia the most in the end.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:31 pm

    There will always be people who glorify the USSR for all the good it did but will ignore the glaring issues they created.

    USSR did at least create some kind of equality among the people, giving then education and medical that the Empire failed to do.  If the Empire did, the Bolsheviks wouldn't have gotten into power as no one would want them.

    But I agree, they need to come back to reality and face the music of what USSR did to Russia proper in ripping land from it and giving a false sense that people of other ethnic groups can be united with them.  Kazakhs and Azerbaijanis are indeed no friend of Russians as thry see themselves as more turk than anything else.  Only the ones inside of Russia see themselves as Russian because they left their countries due to their dislike of the system in those nations.

    We are digressing from topic at hand though.

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    Those pics are awesome. Keep em up.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The USSR had its benefits but the issue they created for Russia geopolitically and geographically is being felt now and in future. After this, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan will have to be dealt with, as they are testing their luck too.

    This is something Russia cannot ignore and will have to confront. Flaming Python and others who romanticize something their own people wanted gone, will also have to face up to reality of this problem and who was responsible.  Acknowledging the problem is first step to recovery.

    Mostly agree. Communism, especially Stalinism, was weird. I don't there is a victory over Nazism without the Stalin, there is not the will power, the Iron discipline of the populace, the industrialization that made mass production of tanks, planes, guns, shells, etc possible. On the other hand his complete mishandling of the nationalities question (focusing on the nationalities as independent people, and not as Russian) sowed the seeds of 1991 and the current chaos.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:09 pm

    The issue I usually encounter with westerners is that they lack knowledge and thus do not distinguish that the Soviet Union had different eras at least four. You Podlodka are just blinded by hate and through and mix all the eras into one and see only the bad things. There is a reason why so many people till this day have a positive and nostalgic view on the Soviet Union. Any person older than 36 has first hand experienced entire society falling from the top to the bottom and build up from the ditch it was and have certainly a good understanding of that time. People like my grandmother have it different as she is some would say bipolar on the Soviet Union. She had a very hard childhood in a bad part of a poor village in todays Belarus close to the Polish border. She has polish roots so she had some different opinion on her early childhood as speaking polish was discouraged. She also has a trauma from childhood as some boys through a stone at her face when she was 6 and she lost an eye, because of that. The time of her childhood was politically harsher and she mentally stood in the Stalinist time and feared to speak or say anything outside her home till this day.

    My parents, aunts and uncles have been born in the late 60's or mid 70's so they know the Soviet Union where it peaked economically and everything was ridiculously cheap and everyone had work, free flats, free education (unsurpassed) same in health care and then plunging from this high standards to the 90's with criminality, where people would work any job for kopeikis and had to bribe everyone at every corner to avoid getting into trouble. Be it cops, doctors, officials or anyone working anywhere. Everyone tried to get some extra rubles, thus most were corrupt and potential trouble makers if you refused to bribe or give someone a favor if you had no financial means.

    Don't through everything in one bowl and act like everything was shit. I am very aware of the artificial issues created by the Bolshewics, Lenin and even Stalin himself, especially the Ukrainization and boosting this artificial ethnicity, just like many others. Some would say it was pre-planned to divide us, hard to believe the foresight someone needs but plausible when looking at the current events unfolded along with side projects of the US (Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia & Azerbaijan).

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 28, 2022 9:57 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The issue I usually encounter with westerners is that they lack knowledge and thus do not distinguish that the Soviet Union had different eras at least four. You Podlodka are just blinded by hate and through and mix all the eras into one and see only the bad things. There is a reason why so many people till this day have a positive and nostalgic view on the Soviet Union. Any person older than 36 has first hand experienced entire society falling from the top to the bottom and build up from the ditch it was and have certainly a good understanding of that time. People like my grandmother have it different as she is some would say bipolar on the Soviet Union. She had a very hard childhood in a bad part of a poor village in todays Belarus close to the Polish border. She has polish roots so she had some different opinion on her early childhood as speaking polish was discouraged. She also has a trauma from childhood as some boys through a stone at her face when she was 6 and she lost an eye, because of that. The time of her childhood was politically harsher and she mentally stood in the Stalinist time and feared to speak or say anything outside her home till this day.

    My parents, aunts and uncles have been born in the late 60's or mid 70's so they know the Soviet Union where it peaked economically and everything was ridiculously cheap and everyone had work, free flats, free education (unsurpassed) same in health care and then plunging from this high standards to the 90's with criminality, where people would work any job for kopeikis and had to bribe everyone at every corner to avoid getting into trouble. Be it cops, doctors, officials or anyone working anywhere. Everyone tried to get some extra rubles, thus most were corrupt and potential trouble makers if you refused to bribe or give someone a favor if you had no financial means.

    Don't through everything in one bowl and act like everything was shit. I am very aware of the artificial issues created by the Bolshewics, Lenin and even Stalin himself, especially the Ukrainization and boosting this artificial ethnicity, just like many others. Some would say it was pre-planned to divide us, hard to believe the foresight someone needs but plausible when looking at the current events unfolded along with side projects of the US (Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia & Azerbaijan).

    Issue is that none of this would be the situation now if the soviets didn't play the games they did with the internal borders of the USSR.

    If they decided to push just one idea rather than different people under one idea, there wouldn't be this ethnic strife happening now, even make belief ethnicities like Ukrainians.

    Yes, the USSR had wonderous things to it and some of my family who didn't flee during the revolution, were just fine and dandy with it, more so than under imperial Russia. But, they shouldn't have played with the borders in the first place. Much like how UK did with various countries.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:01 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:

    The reason for this is that he and some Russians like him on this forum have no identity.
    The country that succeeded the USSR was created by Russian emperors and empresses. And who came? The Bolsheviks, the same ones who crushed anyone who thought the opposite of them. Each rascal did what he wanted with the "red party card". Entire families were killed by individuals in order to enter the circle of "higher" party comrades.
    It is obvious that the flaming squirrel lives for "brotherhood and unity" with Azerbaijan, even though they hate him there because he is an Orthodox Christian. Those in Azerbaijan have preserved their identity and go to the mosque and hate everything that has nothing to do with Islam. Flaming Squirrel still admires Lenin. Flamming squirrel, nobody is interested in Lenin or Stalin in Azerbeijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc. Even during the USSR, Russia was a cow that everyone milked, that is, all Soviet republics received cheap Russian resources. And what did you get in return, flaming squirell ?
    Everyone hates Russia from the members of the former USSR, except Belarus. And FP wrote to me that "the Bolshevik state was a good project". Go to church, FP, pray to God and he will forgive you for believing in that satanic godless project, which has served only a few well.
    THE RUSSIANS (bolsheviks) KILLED THE ENTIRE IMPERIAL FAMILY. KARMA IS A BITCH AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW !
    Only satanists and antichrists can do such a thing.



    There are those in Serbia as well, who brag about Tito's Yugoslavia, the same one that cost Serbia the most in the end.
    Russian Empire was on its last legs as it was rotten from inside. February Revolution was not a Bolshevik one, but anti Tsarist bourgeois took over. Bolsheviks just played their hand smarter than others.

    King Aleksandar created Yugoslavia on the back of big Serbian victory in WW1. Basically, he gambled off Serbian success without taking care of Serbian interests. He was a megalomaniac. Communists took over in 1945, because other sides either sided with Germans or were completely inept and without anything new to offer.

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:06 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Issue is that none of this would be the situation now if the soviets didn't play the games they did with the internal borders of the USSR.

    If they decided to push just one idea rather than different people under one idea, there wouldn't be this ethnic strife happening now, even make belief ethnicities like Ukrainians.

    Yes, the USSR had wonderous things to it and some of my family who didn't flee during the revolution, were just fine and dandy with it, more so than under imperial Russia. But, they shouldn't have played with the borders in the first place. Much like how UK did with various countries.

    I think I was commenting on the exact same issue in my last sentences. It is indeed an implanted tumor the bolshevics did which never were our friends (80% jews) it is no coincidence that these issues today were planned back then. There is a good reason why they have been kicked out everywhere.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:13 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The issue I usually encounter with westerners is that they lack knowledge and thus do not distinguish that the Soviet Union had different eras at least four. You Podlodka are just blinded by hate and through and mix all the eras into one and see only the bad things. There is a reason why so many people till this day have a positive and nostalgic view on the Soviet Union. Any person older than 36 has first hand experienced entire society falling from the top to the bottom and build up from the ditch it was and have certainly a good understanding of that time. People like my grandmother have it different as she is some would say bipolar on the Soviet Union. She had a very hard childhood in a bad part of a poor village in todays Belarus close to the Polish border. She has polish roots so she had some different opinion on her early childhood as speaking polish was discouraged. She also has a trauma from childhood as some boys through a stone at her face when she was 6 and she lost an eye, because of that. The time of her childhood was politically harsher and she mentally stood in the Stalinist time and feared to speak or say anything outside her home till this day.

    My parents, aunts and uncles have been born in the late 60's or mid 70's so they know the Soviet Union where it peaked economically and everything was ridiculously cheap and everyone had work, free flats, free education (unsurpassed) same in health care and then plunging from this high standards to the 90's with criminality, where people would work any job for kopeikis and had to bribe everyone at every corner to avoid getting into trouble. Be it cops, doctors, officials or anyone working anywhere. Everyone tried to get some extra rubles, thus most were corrupt and potential trouble makers if you refused to bribe or give someone a favor if you had no financial means.

    Don't through everything in one bowl and act like everything was shit. I am very aware of the artificial issues created by the Bolshewics, Lenin and even Stalin himself, especially the Ukrainization and boosting this artificial ethnicity, just like many others. Some would say it was pre-planned to divide us, hard to believe the foresight someone needs but plausible when looking at the current events unfolded along with side projects of the US (Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia & Azerbaijan).

    Werewolf, 18.8 million civilians were killed in the USSR in WWII. If that country had not been ruled by infidels, then perhaps a holocaust would have been declared against the Slavs in the territory of the USSR. 18.8 million people is more than three times the total number of Jews killed. The whole fucking world is talking about it, about Jews, NOBODY knows that three times as many Russians and Belarusians were killed. I do not recognize Ukrainians because they did not have their own autochthonous church. I do not recognize them even today and I will never recognize them. Man, do you know what 19 million killed civilians are? The supreme power of the USSR pissed on its own people, to all those victims..
    WHY DID THE USSR NOT DEMAND THE GENOCIDE OF THE SLAVS (mainly Russians and Belarusians) in the USSR ? The same USSR was also one of the "big five" victors in the Second World War and had the right to VETO in the UN General Assembly. Why ?

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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote:@hole

    Those pics are awesome. Keep em up.
    I´m just stealing from Twitter.  Very Happy

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    Post  Werewolf Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:24 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Werewolf, 18.8 million civilians were killed in the USSR in WWII. If that country had not been ruled by infidels, then perhaps a holocaust would have been declared against the Slavs in the territory of the USSR. 18.8 million people is more than three times the total number of Jews killed. The whole fucking world is talking about it, about Jews, NOBODY knows that three times as many Russians and Belarusians were killed. I do not recognize Ukrainians because they did not have their own autochthonous church. I do not recognize them even today and I will never recognize them. Man, do you know what 19 million killed civilians are? The supreme power of the USSR pissed on its own people, to all those victims..
    WHY DID THE USSR NOT DEMAND THE GENOCIDE OF THE SLAVS (mainly Russians and Belarusians) in the USSR ? The same USSR was also one of the "big five" victors in the Second World War and had the right to VETO in the UN General Assembly. Why ?


    I don't see what role being christian or infidel has anything to do with it. The numbers would be the same as long as the head was what it was, jewish. We know about the poor poor juice, because they control all media and even have build "gas chambers" after WW2 in Germany. That should tell you already something. We are Russians, we have no victimhood mentality, we are proud and we will fight. Have we been fooled and backstabbed before? Yes, this is our fate being the richest people on this planet. There were others who came to us to kill us. This time they abused an ancient technology to divide and conquer with quite extensive success, however, we will not bow down or eradicated by this. What we lack is a cold blooded mentality with a wish for revenge. This is the main reason why we get attacked since the attackers, especially in recent history do it unpunished. This has to end. You know that this is the truth and there is nothing we can do about the past other than not letting it repeat and use it to our advantage and once and for all punish all enemies.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:32 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:The Bolsheviks are still killing the Russians, indirectly.. Russian Empire created this, the red vermin sold it and destroyed it. I can't list all the evils that the USSR inflicted on Russia, there is no end. The Russian Empire created this, the reds divided and created a fictional nation with no identity - USSR.
    Damned red worms..
    Given that Putin is a believer, as well as the close circle around him, I somehow glimpse what will be taken from the current Ukroshitstan.



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    Someone mentioned Petlyura's Ukrainian National Republic. In fact that state did not start with him, and it was already being prepared prior to the Bolshevik Revolution in October. The plans already in motion by the summer of 1917, that's to say after the February Revolution and abdication of the Tsar.

    When the Germans pressed terms at Brest-Litovsk; they forced the Bolsheviks to concede to a German puppet-state in the Ukraine. This was really the Ukraine's birth.

    So calm down Francis, the Ukraine did not start nor did it end with the 'red vermin'.
    In fact it was the reds who regathered almost all Russian Imperial lands. In the Ukraine, they found enough allies among Ukrainian communists and working class, to proclaim the Ukrainian SSR - and overran the UNR in fairly short order. Had they not made any allies there, this part of the Civil War would have gone on a lot longer, maybe comparable to what it is now.

    And let me say it again - there was nothing wrong with the Bolshevik project, the Ukrainian SSR. It was a very successful and developed republic in all measures, and completely loyal to its neighbour Russia as it was all the same country.
    The trouble is what came after it and the USSR. The Ukraine has basically reverted to what it was however briefly as the UNR; a nationalist Western-puppet state controlled by its oligarchs/landowners.


    Hey RED, the Russia you live in was created by the Russian people and the Russian emperors.

    Putin on Ukraine: Donbass was given to them by Lenin, Novorussia has nothing to do with them

    He said that Ukraine joined the Russian Empire from three territories, while the western parts were "added" to that Soviet republic after the victory in the Second World War. Putin also claims that everything that Ukraine received during the formation of the Soviet Union was donated to that republic by Vladimir Lenin.

    He said that Ukraine joined the Russian Empire from three territories, while the western parts were "added" to that Soviet republic after the victory in the Second World War. Putin also claims that everything that Ukraine received during the formation of the Soviet Union was donated to that republic by Vladimir Lenin.
    - They say we are returning our territories. Well historically, yes, of course. That is the whole Black Sea region, so to speak. We don't really claim all those territories, but still, facts are facts. Where did Novorussia come from? It is the result of several wars with the Turkish Empire. What is Ukraine, what does Ukraine have to do with it? That has nothing to do with each other - Putin said.

    He claims that the western parts of Ukraine were "inherited" after the Second World War.

    - Stalin took the territory from Hungary, Romania and Poland and gave it to Ukraine, rewarding that same Poland with the eastern regions of Germany - he said, adding:

    - It is known how left-bank Ukraine came into being. It became part of the Russian Empire with three territories: Kiev region, Zhytomyr and Chernigov. That's all, in 1545, or something. Everything that was later added to Ukraine is the result of the formation of the Soviet Union in 1922, donated by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.

    Putin also claims that Donbass should have belonged to the RSFSR first, but that Lenin demanded that "the decision be made again" and that the territory be handed over to Ukraine, in order to raise the percentage of the proletarian population in that Soviet republic.

    THIS IS WHAT YOUR PRESIDENT SAYS, I DIDN'T INVENT IT..

    DON'T SHIFT THE BLAME ON THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE AND ON OVER 1000 YEARS OF RUSSIA, THE ONE THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE RED STINK AND Scum.
    Don't make excuses for the Bolsheviks because I hate them almost as much as the Nazis.
    I would shit on Lenin's mausoleum, do you understand ?

    Settle down there Frank, we're all friends here. Last thing we want is for you to have another breakdown and to storm out of the forum, so let's learn to all respect each other's opinions and political inclinations by disagreeing in a civilized manner, elaborating if there is the desire to do so.
    There is after all no such thing as a communist, or a fascist, or a liberal or anything unless you are an actual politician, kill people over it, or otherwise put it to practice somehow. Otherwise all it is a difference in how you interpret the mechanisms by which the world and its population works. And all these labels are a little restrictive anyhow, in terms of world view and proposed solutions.

    Putin says a lot of ahistorical stuff I'm afraid.
    The Donbass has some connection with the Ukraine as it was colonized mostly by Ukrainian Cossacks initially who were Moscowy's allies against the steppe Tatars at the time. Later it received a lot of immigration from Central Ukraine. But where the borders between Russia and the Ukraine should be there was in dispute and the borders in fact were changed no less than 4-5 times between 1919-1925 as a result of both historical debates and practical considerations.
    Novorussia was a somewhat similar story. It was indeed conquered from the Crimean Tatars, Turks and nomadic peoples by Tsarist Russia, but in alliance and treaty with the Zaporozhian Cossacks, who again started its initial colonization, and by Tsarist Russia's end Ukrainians comprised either a majority or plurality of all Novorussia's districts (with the exception of the Odessa district).

    About the Ukraine's western territories. Well look. At the time, the Ukrainians were loyal Soviet citizens and had just smashed Nazism along with the rest of the USSR. Not the Banderites in Western Ukraine of course, but the capital was in Kiev, the industries were in East and Southern Ukraine; all places with plenty of Russians, Jews and others as well - and this Ukraine did all oppose Nazi Germany for the most part.
    The Hungarians, Romanians meanwhile.. well they weren't. They were Nazi Germany's previous allies. Poland meanwhile was a little unreliable, and they and Western Ukrainians were killing each other so from Stalin's point of view, joining these Western territories to the Ukraine, the capital of which was Russian-speaking and pro-Soviet, made good sense at the time.

    And yes we can agree that the Ukraine is a fake state and that there is little point in having some sort of national state on the basis of Ukrainianess in general when it's barely a distinguished identity from the Russian one in all objective criteria and that all you're going to do with such a country anyway is become an Anglo-colony of more corruption and poverty than even Batista's Cuba.
    But to say that the Ukraine is an invention of the Bolsheviks, or that the Bolsheviks invented Ukrainian identity is demonstratably false. It's a particular brand of right-wing Russian nonsense that I see repeated a lot but anyone who has read up about the subject knows about the Ukrainian National Republic, about the Kaiser's efforts to support it, about Petlyura and Pilsudski's support to him just a short time later, about the Polish uprisings starting in 1861 and how they birthed the Ukrainian national movement in Kiev.
    And what do any of these things have to do with the Bolsheviks? That's right, nothing. The Bolsheviks inherited a situation where everyone was trying to use Ukrainian nationalism for their own ends against Russia, and they actually did the smart thing and co-opted it. They weren't concerned by Kievan Rus' or the greatness of any one nation/country, but even for class warfare they had to reunite greater Russia and they did that very successfully. No-one donated anything. Even Kharkov was under the control of the Brest-Litovsk German puppet state until the Bolsheviks incited an uprising there. The end.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:51 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The USSR had its benefits but the issue they created for Russia geopolitically and geographically is being felt now and in future. After this, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan will have to be dealt with, as they are testing their luck too.

    This is something Russia cannot ignore and will have to confront. Flaming Python and others who romanticize something their own people wanted gone, will also have to face up to reality of this problem and who was responsible.  Acknowledging the problem is first step to recovery.

    Kazakhstan is not a problem. It's surrounded by Russia and China. The Ukraine had far better odds and far more Western support and proximity, yet everyone can see how they've ended up.

    Azerbaijan is kind of similar. It won't go against Russia openly. What it will do is use any time Russia is distracted or needs Turkish support as an opportunity to grab more of Nagorno-Karabkh. As for its pipeline to Turkey - we're not talking about large amounts here. It can't replace more than a small fraction of what Russia supplies to Europe, and it can't ramp up any production/extraction at short notice either.
    If Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan build a pipeline to Azerbaijan than it could become a problem - but this sort of project requires a lot of investment, new pipelines from Azerbaijan to Turkey as well, and by that time much of Europe would probably have gone back to buying Russian gas.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
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    Werewolf, 18.8 million civilians were killed in the USSR in WWII. If that country had not been ruled by infidels, then perhaps a holocaust would have been declared against the Slavs in the territory of the USSR. 18.8 million people is more than three times the total number of Jews killed. The whole fucking world is talking about it, about Jews, NOBODY knows that three times as many Russians and Belarusians were killed. I do not recognize Ukrainians because they did not have their own autochthonous church. I do not recognize them even today and I will never recognize them. Man, do you know what 19 million killed civilians are? The supreme power of the USSR pissed on its own people, to all those victims..
    WHY DID THE USSR NOT DEMAND THE GENOCIDE OF THE SLAVS (mainly Russians and Belarusians) in the USSR ? The same USSR was also one of the "big five" victors in the Second World War and had the right to VETO in the UN General Assembly. Why ?


    I don't see what role being christian or infidel has anything to do with it. The numbers would be the same as long as the head was what it was, jewish. We know about the poor poor juice, because they control all media and even have build "gas chambers" after WW2 in Germany. That should tell you already something. We are Russians, we have no victimhood mentality, we are proud and we will fight. Have we been fooled and backstabbed before? Yes, this is our fate being the richest people on this planet. There were others who came to us to kill us. This time they abused an ancient technology to divide and conquer with quite extensive success, however, we will not bow down or eradicated by this. What we lack is a cold blooded mentality with a wish for revenge. This is the main reason why we get attacked since the attackers, especially in recent history do it unpunished. This has to end. You know that this is the truth and there is nothing we can do about the past other than not letting it repeat and use it to our advantage and once and for all punish all enemies.


    Well, I'll tell you what role it plays. We Serbs were under the Turks for hundreds of years, FAITH in liberation and religion kept us going. If religion has no role, then why do you declare yourself as a Russian ? We lost almost every other able-bodied man in World War I, but we defeated both the Austro-Hungarians and the Germans. In the Second World War, we embarrassed ourselves, but it was no longer the state of Serbia. There are few of us Serbs and we are in a difficult area. Russia has the most glorious military history in the last 300 years, ever since the victory over Charles XII
    You don't have to tell me that Russians are proud, I know that, but you didn't need Lenin. You had the bloodiest civil war in the history of human civilization, famine, concentration camps, Stalin's mistakes in WW2. If it weren't for all that, Russia would have 300 million inhabitants today.
    And at the end, we Serbs are just as fucked up and don't have a vengeful and bloodthirsty mentality. Maybe you don't think that we are the way we are because of the Orthodox faith, I believe.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:57 pm

    I follow Dmitriy Vasilets every day and he said in this video link what I think too; "The Ukrainian air force was destroyed a long time ago and now the destruction of the air forces of Poland, Slovakia, and Romania is underway." He also mentioned Hungary, since Hungary also has MiG-29s in reserve.



    And one interesting thing..
    Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy vs Her Majesty's Navy.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:09 pm

    Hungary and Austria as I heard were the only EU countries not donating arms to the Ukraine so far.

    But yeah the Slovakian, Polish and Bulgarian MiG-29s are obvious MiG-29s flying in the Ukraine. Because the Ukrainian inventory of fighter jets has been demolished twice over now, along with all their kamikaze pilots.
    Not sure what Romania can contribute. They got rid of their MiG-29s long ago, although maybe they had them in storage. Maybe they have some Su-25s, Mi-24s and Mi-8s as well.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Hungary and Austria as I heard were the only EU countries not donating arms to the Ukraine so far.

    But yeah the Slovakian, Polish and Bulgarian MiG-29s are obvious MiG-29s flying in the Ukraine. Because the Ukrainian inventory of fighter jets has been demolished twice over now, along with all their kamikaze pilots.
    Not sure what Romania can contribute. They got rid of their MiG-29s long ago, although maybe they had them in storage. Maybe they have some Su-25s, Mi-24s and Mi-8s as well.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:52 pm

    Hole wrote:
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    Those pics are awesome. Keep em up.
    I´m just stealing from Twitter.  Very Happy

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    What´s left from one of the countless counter-attacks on Kherson ( Laughing) in the last days... weeks...

    Oh look it, they reached Moscow, well eventually. . . . I mean some components will, as captured trophies in a military museum. The glorious counteroffensive of March/May/August itself gained a few yards past the tree line and the attackers joined Bandera and Herr Hitler in Hell

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:06 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Well, I'll tell you what role it plays. We Serbs were under the Turks for hundreds of years, FAITH in liberation and religion kept us going. If religion has no role, then why do you declare yourself as a Russian ?

    Being Russian has nothing to do with your religious affiliation or lack there off. Christianity is foreign religion by itself and had not originated from our slavic heads. We still have some "starovery" people in society and to part I am more sympathizing towards that, not because I am a believer, but because it is our history. It directly connects all eastern and to part western slavic people to one root and many old superstitions are rooted in the polytheistic system our ancestors believed and lived by.

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    We lost almost every other able-bodied man in World War I, but we defeated both the Austro-Hungarians and the Germans. In the Second World War, we embarrassed ourselves, but it was no longer the state of Serbia. There are few of us Serbs and we are in a difficult area.
    Geography is fate and tough fate for Serbs, unfortunately. I am fully aware of this and I am also very sorry to see that the Serbs have been treated this way and the weak position Serbs and Russia was and still is. Unable to protect our brothers and little effort put into it as well.

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Russia has the most glorious military history in the last 300 years, ever since the victory over Charles XII
    You don't have to tell me that Russians are proud, I know that, but you didn't need Lenin. You had the bloodiest civil war in the history of human civilization, famine, concentration camps, Stalin's mistakes in WW2. If it weren't for all that, Russia would have 300 million inhabitants today.
    And at the end, we Serbs are just as fucked up and don't have a vengeful and bloodthirsty mentality. Maybe you don't think that we are the way we are because of the Orthodox faith, I believe.

    I absolutely agree that Lenin wasn't necessary to achieve that. It is not like time stands still if one certain person wasn't going to do what he did. We can dwell on history and throw tantrums all we want, but that doesn't rewrite history and transforms it into what it could be. We always had big enemies and I may sound like a broken record, but it is not about that we are slavic people, but it is our lands and resources that they always wanted and will continue trying to grab. Accept your position and adopt to the situation, if you don't you will end up as a useless dying civilization that only cries about the unfairness of this world. I am proud that slavic people are for the most part not crying little cunts with exception of polish and ukrainians. They indeed developed a victimhood mentality crying about Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty and the fake Kievan Rus' was stolen from us by the Moscovites.

    Hard times are in front of us and better use them to overcome them and develop a sense of vengeance to stop this influx of anglo-saxon and semite crusading mediocrity that has plagued Europe for so long. Among those few liberal inclined people on this forum my words may sound harsh or insane, but many know that the reason why Russia gets treat like this is the nature of ignoring all the attempts to kill our leaders, people, nation and drag us through dirt. Weakness is a threat and being polite to people who want to kill you and all your family and still calling them "our partners" is a weakness that might end up getting us killed. This bad habit needs to die first. We need go back to oldschool social sanity, where working your mouth can get you killed, so you watch what you say and more so what you do.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:34 am

    Werewolf wrote:
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    Well, I'll tell you what role it plays. We Serbs were under the Turks for hundreds of years, FAITH in liberation and religion kept us going. If religion has no role, then why do you declare yourself as a Russian ?

    Being Russian has nothing to do with your religious affiliation or lack there off. Christianity is foreign religion by itself and had not originated from our slavic heads. We still have some "starovery" people in society and to part I am more sympathizing towards that, not because I am a believer, but because it is our history. It directly connects all eastern and to part western slavic people to one root and many old superstitions are rooted in the polytheistic system our ancestors believed and lived by.

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    We lost almost every other able-bodied man in World War I, but we defeated both the Austro-Hungarians and the Germans. In the Second World War, we embarrassed ourselves, but it was no longer the state of Serbia. There are few of us Serbs and we are in a difficult area.
    Geography is fate and tough fate for Serbs, unfortunately. I am fully aware of this and I am also very sorry to see that the Serbs have been treated this way and the weak position Serbs and Russia was and still is. Unable to protect our brothers and little effort put into it as well.


    Russia is not weak, but Serbia is surrounded by hyenas, hyenas of which there are simply too many. We are simply far away from Russia, that is a fact. I've been saying for years that it's a shame that Serbia isn't in Bulgaria's place, because with access to the Black Sea, Serbia wouldn't really care about the EU. Even more, I think that Serbia would then say to the EU "who the **** are you"..
    Poland is blinded by hatred of Russia, but a goat cannot growl at a tiger - the result is known. Complex Poles, sickened by a sick hatred towards Orthodox Russia (only reason), although Germany certainly does not think well of them. Ukraine is an artificial creation and as such cannot survive within its current borders. The Greeks no longer have any balls or pride, they are over-indebted, while the Bulgarians are what they always were - sleazy. Romania was never clear to me, but Hungary is the closest to Serbia's views. Hungarians are looking at their own self-interest and I hope it will last. Croats hate Russia, be sure of that, because they see you Russians as "great Serbs", but they haven't forgotten that they were beaten by Russia at Stalingrad.
    Russia is hated the most by countries that Russia won in wars and Russia's biggest enemy is Great Britain.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:52 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Well, I'll tell you what role it plays. We Serbs were under the Turks for hundreds of years, FAITH in liberation and religion kept us going. If religion has no role, then why do you declare yourself as a Russian ? We lost almost every other able-bodied man in World War I, but we defeated both the Austro-Hungarians and the Germans. In the Second World War, we embarrassed ourselves, but it was no longer the state of Serbia. There are few of us Serbs and we are in a difficult area. Russia has the most glorious military history in the last 300 years, ever since the victory over Charles XII
    You don't have to tell me that Russians are proud, I know that, but you didn't need Lenin. You had the bloodiest civil war in the history of human civilization, famine, concentration camps, Stalin's mistakes in WW2. If it weren't for all that, Russia would have 300 million inhabitants today.
    And at the end, we Serbs are just as fucked up and don't have a vengeful and bloodthirsty mentality. Maybe you don't think that we are the way we are because of the Orthodox faith, I believe.

    Russian state did much better job with religious plurality amd didn't allow too.stromg influence of Orthodox church on state business, as you have proud Russians of Muslim persuasion.
    Our state, on the other hand, gave that right  to Orthodox church and that was one of the main reasons many Muslims stopped to declare as Serbs. Even though we were seen as Piedmont among South Slavs at second half of XIX century and later and many intellectuals of other religions declared as Serbs (Andric, Selimovic).
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    Post  Belisarius Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:59 am

    The Commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Volodymyr Rehesha had a little rant on Facebook and admitted that the Ukrainian forces lost “only” 500 troops in the battle for Pisky. He also complained about problems with the accuracy of Ukrainian artillery crews. Rehesha then brought up, in his words the “uselessness” of the Ukrainian Air Force attempting to fire unguided rockets in nose-up style as we see on Russian Armed Forces videos.

    Did anyone tell the Ukrainians that Russian Su-25SM’s have ballistic computers for this exact purpose?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:38 am

    Belisarius wrote:Did anyone tell the Ukrainians that Russian Su-25SM’s have ballistic computers for this exact purpose?

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    Yeah, its actually feasible that this idiot doesn'y know... clown

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:41 am

    flamming_python wrote:Hungary and Austria as I heard were the only EU countries not donating arms to the Ukraine so far.

    But yeah the Slovakian, Polish and Bulgarian MiG-29s are obvious MiG-29s flying in the Ukraine. Because the Ukrainian inventory of fighter jets has been demolished twice over now, along with all their kamikaze pilots.
    Not sure what Romania can contribute. They got rid of their MiG-29s long ago, although maybe they had them in storage. Maybe they have some Su-25s, Mi-24s and Mi-8s as well.

    Hungary signed a deal back in 2014 for Russia to built two nuclear power plants and it's still going ahead so that could also be a factor


    Russian nuclear power giant Rosatom will begin constructing two new nuclear reactors in Hungary in the coming weeks, Hungary's foreign minister said.

    The deal, reached between Russia and the EU state in 2014, aims to expand the existing Paks nuclear plant.

    Russia's nuclear industry has not been subjected to EU sanctions over its bloody invasion of Ukraine.

    Moves to isolate and sanction its oil and gas exports have not been unconditionally supported by Hungary.

    The Paks site currently generates 40% of Hungary's electricity supply.

    "Let the construction begin!" said Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto in a Facebook post.

    With the additional two reactors, the nuclear power station - currently made up of four Soviet-built reactors - will see its capacity more than double.

    "This is a big step, an important milestone," Mr Szijjarto said in a Facebook post quoted by AFP news agency.

    "In this manner we will ensure Hungary's energy security in the long term and protect Hungarians from wild swings in energy prices."

    He added that the nuclear reactors could be ready for service by 2030.

    The controversial €12.5bn (£10.6bn; $12.4bn) project is largely financed by Russia.

    In the wake of the war in Ukraine, many EU states have been trying to lessen their dependence on Russian supplies of energy

    Source BBC

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