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    Darya Dugina, A.Dugin's daughter, killed by car bomb in Moscow

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    Post  nomadski Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:52 am


    Calripson wrote " Immediately after the terrorist attack, the fugitive Russian opposition politician Ilya Ponomarev claimed his alleged involvement in the murder of Daria. The Russian ultraliberal political section indirectly claimed responsibility for the organization of the assassination through Ilya. " well anyone with an Axe to grind , can claim " responsibility . " But as is , with genuine cases , the perpetrators leave a calling card , like a code or password at the scene of crime or attack and later contact the police , giving the same code . In this way , they identify themselves and take credit for an attack . They do this , as a means of bringing about political pressure and want concessions in return . Genuine cases must be identified by the police , and people informed . The IRA in UK , used to do it this way ! And it was then confirmed by police and put on the evening news .
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:05 am

    nomadski wrote:
    Calripson wrote " Immediately after the terrorist attack, the fugitive Russian opposition politician Ilya Ponomarev claimed his alleged involvement in the murder of Daria. The Russian ultraliberal political section indirectly claimed responsibility for the organization of the assassination through Ilya.  " well anyone with an Axe to grind , can claim " responsibility .  " But as is , with genuine cases , the perpetrators  leave a calling card , like a code or password  at the scene of crime or attack and later contact the police , giving the same code . In this way , they identify themselves and take credit for an attack . They do this , as a means of bringing about  political pressure and want concessions in return . Genuine cases must be identified by the police , and people informed . The IRA in UK , used to do it this way ! And it was then confirmed by police and put on the evening news .

    Like someone said above, spare me the wrath of the Navalny office-hampsters, m'kay?
    The face of their cult leader as he was slammed with another 15-20 years worth of sentencing is plenty enough to judge about their resolve. They're not going to commit political terror, the only thing they're prepared to do is emigrate from the country and then attack it on the internet from abroad.

    It's the Ukrops. They're the only ones with the resources, the viciousness to target civilians, and the cynicism to hope for a Russian counter-reaction against their own civilians in return.
    Really, they're just dumb and desperate, they have nothing to lose and the West will cover for them anyway, so they resort to something like this.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:09 am

    It's both tragic and funny though.
    Because for all the threat that Dugin poses to NATO, in Russia itself he's just regarded as a bit of an eccentric and curiosity

    It appears someone in the west does not like what he has to say and sees it as a serious threat and so made him into this huge villain... but ironically this attempt to silence him will likely bring him to the attention of everyone who will be wondering what he is saying that the west is so afraid of.

    A quiet nobody turned into someone... a bit like Edward Snowden or Julian Assange...

    Really, they're just dumb and desperate, they have nothing to lose and the West will cover for them anyway, so they resort to something like this.

    While they remain useful they remain under the western wing so they can do nothing wrong at all, but lets really be honest... they have everything to lose and are losing it at a greater and greater rate every day... on day one Zelensky could have kept the Donbass and Lugansk as autonomous regions within the state of Ukraine... let them speak Russian... why care about that but they believe their own BS and think with the wests support they can take back what is theirs...

    Their view of their current situation is distorted by the skewed view of both Russia and the West and every day they are losing thousands of men and territory and the minds of even more people in the regions they occupy and the regions they now don't.

    If you look back at some of my posts from 10 years ago I was saying the west is broken and Russia would do better on its own looking for trade and allies outside of the old boys club of the west.

    I really didn't think Putin would invade Ukraine but with the information we have now about bio weapons labs (did you not miss Covid?) and the celebration of Nazis of course, and talk of nuclear weapons, and the very basic and obvious positioning all their best troops inside the Donbass clearly there to invade and take what they want by force instead of by diplomacy as promised in Minsk and again by Zelensky to get elected... well any single one of those would have been enough for the west to attack... this conflict was going to happen and if Putin didn't attack then Russia likely would have suffered attacks first... this was very much preemptive self defence.

    Kiev has made no secret that they want the Crimea back too and that is Russian.
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    It's both tragic and funny though.
    Because for all the threat that Dugin poses to NATO, in Russia itself he's just regarded as a bit of an eccentric and curiosity

    It appears someone in the west does not like what he has to say and sees it as a serious threat and so made him into this huge villain... but ironically this attempt to silence him will likely bring him to the attention of everyone who will be wondering what he is saying that the west is so afraid of.

    A quiet nobody turned into someone... a bit like Edward Snowden or Julian Assange...

    Really, they're just dumb and desperate, they have nothing to lose and the West will cover for them anyway, so they resort to something like this.

    While they remain useful they remain under the western wing so they can do nothing wrong at all, but lets really be honest... they have everything to lose and are losing it at a greater and greater rate every day... on day one Zelensky could have kept the Donbass  and Lugansk as autonomous regions within the state of Ukraine... let them speak Russian... why care about that but they believe their own BS and think with the wests support they can take back what is theirs...

    Their view of their current situation is distorted by the skewed view of both Russia and the West and every day they are losing thousands of men and territory and the minds of even more people in the regions they occupy and the regions they now don't.

    If you look back at some of my posts from 10 years ago I was saying the west is broken and Russia would do better on its own looking for trade and allies outside of the old boys club of the west.

    I really didn't think Putin would invade Ukraine but with the information we have now about bio weapons labs (did you not miss Covid?) and the celebration of Nazis of course, and talk of nuclear weapons, and the very basic and obvious positioning all their best troops inside the Donbass clearly there to invade and take what they want by force instead of by diplomacy as promised in Minsk and again by Zelensky to get elected... well any single one of those would have been enough for the west to attack... this conflict was going to happen and if Putin didn't attack then Russia likely would have suffered attacks first... this was very much preemptive self defence.

    Kiev has made no secret that they want the Crimea back too and that is Russian.


    Dugin's book sales are going to skyrocket. Surely in Russia you will find more sympathizers.
    At his daughter's funeral, he said he was surprised by the number of attendees.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:44 pm

    The Pope, who still has stretches of sanity, maintained that Dugina's murder is an innocent person. The Ukrainian bastards are outraged.
    They are the same Nazis from Azov who went to the Vatican to mourn for Mariupol.
    What a cowardly people the Ukrainians are, I am outraged by their hypocrisy, their whining (here in Argentina they march with the political opposition), their lack of stoicism in the face of a war that they promoted.

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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:00 am

    Graham Phillips knew here too. He just released some footage from the basement of Azovstal of her and him talking



    The Ukraine NPC's are on a big conspiracy binge about this. I won't repeat the conspiracy because its too sick.

    It is easy to see what happened here. CIA/west et al believed the myth that they made of him. Dugin and his daughter were ON the hitlist that the Hohols made ffs. The reason Dugin and his family had no security detail is because even they themselves knew that they weren't a big enough deal inside Russia to have it. It is easy to say after the fact now.

    Mr. Dugin does feel vindicated about his stature and about Ukraine. He was right about the Ukraine and Kiev regime all along. He got fired in 2014 from Moscow uni for being too hawkish on Ukraine. He was also right that maybe the state should have paid more attention to him. And it should serve as a warning for other Russians at home or abroad that are on these hit lists. Or that play a role in western propaganda. Including Dugin himself. He is still alive.



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    Post  Scorpius Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:57 am

    nomadski wrote:

    Second is the strange story that this person was under surveillance for some time , with very suspicious movements and false number plates and hair colour and ......still was not apprehended or arrested ?


    The answer is that she was NOT under surveillance. All the videos with it are taken from standard surveillance tools and the creation of a safe environment. There are a lot of video cameras in Russia, many of them are connected to a single network of video archives, where information is stored for at least 30 days. Also, many employees, like customs officers, have personal video recorders to monitor their activities.Among the videos shown, there is not a single one that would be made for the purpose of observing specifically this woman.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:11 pm

    The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:31 am

    Second is the strange story that this person was under surveillance for some time , with very suspicious movements and false number plates and hair colour and ......still was not apprehended or arrested ?

    She might not have been wanted for any actual crime so until the bomb goes off there is no justification to arrest her... she would have run as soon as the bomb was planted I suspect, with someone else setting the bomb off or a timer or some automatic trigger.

    The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    Convenient for the countries involved...

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:55 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    It's fake news.
    But it may just be a test of the reaction to such news before the real liquidation.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:36 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    It's fake news.
    But it may just be a test of the reaction to such news before the real liquidation.

    Yeah, no loose ends

    Also, I assume that Dugin's philosophy is slowly moving from fringe to mainstream after this?




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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    It's fake news.
    But it may just be a test of the reaction to such news before the real liquidation.

    Yeah, no loose ends

    Also, I assume that Dugin's philosophy is slowly moving from fringe to mainstream after this?





    My thoughts as well

    In fact for those interested, here's a good primer on Dugin's political/economical/social theories

    I myself never took him too seriously, but I'm reassessing things now that the globalists have declared him public enemy no. 1 and have seen fit to sacrifice a score of Ukrainians to Russian retaliatory strikes by testing the waters and making an attempt on his life. Not that this is too high a price to pay for Zelensky's puppet-masters or anything.
    He would only have been/is the introductory target perhaps, but nevertheless his writings seem to have been deemed undesirable.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:56 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    It's fake news.
    But it may just be a test of the reaction to such news before the real liquidation.

    Turned out to be BS, or at least yet unconfirmed (Austrian police reportedly said nop, and I actually trust them). Thing is, talk of her having made her way to Austria popped up several days before this alleged murder in Austria. That's why it seemed suspicious above average level.

    Still not a single word of her whereabouts now though.

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The suspected terrorist has been murdered in Austria, rumors say. Awaiting confirmation.

    It's fake news.
    But it may just be a test of the reaction to such news before the real liquidation.

    Yeah, no loose ends

    Also, I assume that Dugin's philosophy is slowly moving from fringe to mainstream after this?





    My thoughts as well

    In fact for those interested, here's a good primer on Dugin's political/economical/social theories

    I myself never took him too seriously, but I'm reassessing things now that the globalists have declared him public enemy no. 1 and have seen fit to sacrifice a score of Ukrainians to Russian retaliatory strikes by testing the waters and making an attempt on his life. Not that this is too high a price to pay for Zelensky's puppet-masters or anything.
    He would only have been/is the introductory target perhaps, but nevertheless his writings seem to have been deemed undesirable.


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    Post  TMA1 Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:32 am

    A strange bird, no doubt about it. Dont know much but he has quite a reputation. That could mean a few things. Either he is misunderstood or he is strange and dark as people say or both! Nazbols seem to love him. Frankly never been attracted to the guy as he evokes Evola a guy I do know somewhat of and got amoral and luciferian vibes. Also he seems focused on his own people and region that I am not tied to.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:43 am

    The SBU hit on Dugina and the pulling of Dugins works from online bookstores has really Barbra Streisand-ed him.

    Fox News just gave Dugin more attention than he's ever gotten anywhere before, on prime time, on the largest US national TV network, as Tucker Carlson criticized the censorship of his books and accused the Ukrainian government of killing his daughter.

    Hilarious.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:08 am

    Apparently, according to Ukrainian registries, Vovks car returned to Ukraine and changed owner:
    https://readovka.news/news/129128

    Seems likely that a known and wanted terrorist/murderer was absolutely conciously/deliberately granted free passage through several EU countries, then. Ridiculous.

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