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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:22 pm

    My allegations basing on the fact, that Mr. Dugin is actually just an ordinary citizen. He has been portrayed as some evil mastermind of Putin, a Rasputin of the modern era, by the western propaganda who needs a clear devil case to fool the audience. In a real life, his thoughts and ideas are far away from the course of events in Russia. Actually, I assume that from his perspective, Putin's regime is "soft" and "weak" dunno
    On the other hand, I never have heard of his daughter till now, and it turns out that she had very close relations with both the military and media. Maybe it is a kind of post-mortem masque media are putting on her, but ... she really published in military newspapers, looks like she was recognized enough to have an official column in some military-related media.
    But anyway, the case is irrelevant. No matter if they have targeted him, her, or both at the best scenario - this is a terrorist activity and is being seen like this even in some Ukrainian media. I suppose that it is fear that speaks in their names as if the Ukros dared to assassinate just an ordinary girl, we know that there has been an assassination attempt on Soloviov, then well ... what makes the Russkie shy to open a hunting season? There are tons of Ukro propagandists, people who can easily be blamed for calling for atrocities, a war crimes. You can just strike them in numbers, the luxurious dacha districts outside Kiev is just a great place to start with a nice carpet bombing.
    A nice bomb run along Starokievska Street will take out both wealth&lives of half of the Ukro slave masters.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:22 pm

    By the way, I gotta add that this actually does fit the SBU MO, judging by the many attempted, some successful car bombings in RU/LDNR-occupied territories of Ukraine, of "collaborators" et cetera.

    Also attempted and successful bombings elsewhere, in Russian regions adjacent to Ukraine.

    To my knowledge the farthest attempted attack (geographically) was less than a week ago when some Azov-affiliated guys tried to bomb an oil/gas pipeline near Volgograd on August 15 (interestingly, in his Dugin "relevation speech" the other day Ponomarev mentioned those guys as well, and said they were part of the same "network" as this attack). They were ambushed by FSB and shot dead after a brief firefight though.

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    Post  Regular Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:28 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Also, a Russian senator has demanded that Estonia detain and transfer custody of the accused to Russia

    This is pretty serious. If Estonia refuses, then Russia will have grounds to suppose that this was an official NATO-sponsored terrorist attack against civilians in Russia, and aimed at killing high-profile political or social figures.
    Which would make it open season for Russia to do the same thing back.

    As I’ve said - Russia doesn’t even have to reinvent Mossad to go after Ukrainian officials - most of it can be done conventionally. I doubt that Russia will go after Ukrainians hiding in the west.

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    Evidence is pretty solid

    Check then pictures and the footage.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:01 pm

    Security cam footage from border crossings has been released.

    So 1st observation: she is a "ducklip", such a great look (not).

    2nd: she cut and dyed her hair each time she passed the border, but the car is the same (albeit with different plates, as noted earlier).

    I mean, it seems like the FSB's got a pretty solid case.

    edit: Guess I was 2nd on that ball.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:18 pm

    Still can't quite get over the fact that she brought her 12-year old daughter with her to conduct a terror attack.

    Was the kid just brought along to make her seem more legit as a "refugee" when going through immigration? Even worse.

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    Post  Regular Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:25 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Still can't quite get over the fact that she brought her 12-year old daughter with her to conduct a terror attack.

    Was the kid just brought along to make her seem more legit as a "refugee" when going through immigration? Even worse.


    I think they even brought in some animal. There’s small animal cage in the car too.
    Not only she helped in pretended to be a refugee, but if area of explosion would be cordoned, kid could have given more chances to escape.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:51 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The FSB says that:

    "The main suspect is a Ukrainian citizen named Natalya Pavlovna Vovk, born in 1979.

    She arrived in Russia on July 23rd together with her daughter, Sofiya Mikhailovna Shaban, born 2010 and rented an apartment close to Darya Dugina's residence. They followed the Dugins for almost a month, using a Mini Cooper on which they changed license plates three times.

    The Dugins were booked for the "Traditsiya" festival in Sakharovo, Moscow Oblast, on Saturday, August 20th.

    Vovk and Shaban shadowed the Dugins there, and as the festival began and the parking lot had emptied of people, they quickly planted a remotely triggered explosive device (400g TNT equivalent) underneath Dugina's car, right under the driver's position.

    As the festival was being wrapped up hours later, they were waiting for the cars to exit the village of Sakharovo, out on the A100 road ("Mozhayskoye hwy") towards Moscow. As soon as the Dugin vehicle was spotted, the device was detonated, right after the car had turned in the intersection.  

    Vovk and Shaban left the scene, and exited Russia via Pskov to Estonia the day after, August 21st.

    Funds and materials and other support for the attack were provided by the Ukrainian security services."

    So, that's the Russian version of events as it stands, I guess. This has some implications, not least the allegation that the suspects escaped directly to EU- and NATO-country Estonia, which I do not think will agree to any form of cooperation, even if it's about plain and simple terrorism (not particularly uncommon, several countries in the Baltic and Scandinavian region have harbored well-known terrorists from eg the Caucasus before).

    Regarding the license plates, supposedly they entered Russia using LDNR plates, so in other words they were likely posing as refugees. Then their vehicle sported both Kazakh and Ukrainian plates according to the FSB, so it's not a wild guess that they used KZ plates while in Moscow, and UA plates when entering Estonia (again as "refugees"?)

    Quite the plot.

    Estonia will not cooperate.
    Russia must infiltrate special agents and kill these people, but not before torturing them and extracting information from them.
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:56 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Still can't quite get over the fact that she brought her 12-year old daughter with her to conduct a terror attack.

    Was the kid just brought along to make her seem more legit as a "refugee" when going through immigration? Even worse.



    They use civilian installations for military attacks and are you surprised?
    Ukrainians are animals, they are not human beings. That's why there should be no remorse in razing that country. Just absorb ethnic Russians.
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:03 pm

    And I marvel at the effectiveness of the FSB. I honestly thought they would never find the suspects. It speaks well of its effectiveness as a service. They have everything coordinated and protected officials and spaces.

    I feel sorry for Dugin and his daughter, who paid dearly for Western demonization. They became an easy target by not having protection.
    Really, only an animal targets a philosopher.

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    Post  Regular Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:19 pm

    As much as I dislike Israel, but you have to admit it - they have very good agencies to deal with these type of attacks.

    Russia is like Israel during Arab wars. It is surrounded by powers, who are very incompetent to achieve victory by military means so they resort to petty attacks. Russia needs to become a fortress and act with disproportionate force. Only this can be understood by their enemies. Gunpowder, steel and blood.

    Will this assassination be a catalyst for this or more terrible things need to happen? There are too many Ukrainian in Russia and as we can see - they are not filtered at all.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:37 pm

    Regular wrote:As much as I dislike Israel, but you have to admit it - they have very good agencies to deal with these type of attacks.

    ... and because of having such a great agency, they have a permanent state of war inside the homeland, and the very same applies to all the neighbors.
    One would think, that the road they took is not perfect, but hell, you are a judge ....

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    ALAMO wrote:
    Regular wrote:As much as I dislike Israel, but you have to admit it - they have very good agencies to deal with these type of attacks.

    ... and because of having such a great agency, they have a permanent state of war inside the homeland, and the very same applies to all the neighbors.
    One would think, that the road they took is not perfect, but hell, you are a judge ....

    Reason for their permanent state of war is simple: Illegal occupation and mistreatment of others.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:12 pm

    ...ekhm ...
    ...and by the accident ...
    What are the Russkies going to do now ...?
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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:26 pm

    Unfortunate event. RIP, to her, and all casualties on either side, after all, this is the result of elite mismanagement going back decades and decades where blame lays on soviet, and current Russian/Ukranian elites/leadership. Nobody else shares this blame, not "foreign rivals" (who are merely taking advantage, competently, of the opportunities that present themselves), not even the cannon fodder on either side ideologically brainwashed to fight the war for these elites. Responsibility must be accrued to its source.

    As for the specific event itself it's not unexpected considering the lack of deterrence to all provocations that have occurred since this SMO started... a great many gone unanswered... with Moscow's "smartest and brightest" publicly bluffing their ass off and making a fool out of themselves. This was merely the logical continuation of the escalation ladder....and there is only one way it's going to go - UP! Kicking or screaming it will drag the Kremlin weaklings with it, whether they like it, prefer it, planned for it, or not. The other side is clearly intent on it, which means, you simply can't avoid it, and postponement of meeting your enemy at this point in the ladder will only make these events continue to pile up.

    Moscow has been presented with a hand wrapped gift, an opportunity worth a billion on the public sphere to go on the offensive hard against the SBU and the Kievan regime. Not that it ever needed any excuse, real or manufactured to go after these rats hard since Day 0 of this conflict, since 2014 even... but here they're. The past is, the past, consequences included. Golden opportunity presented. The world is watching very carefully, specially, the U.S/UK is watching Kremlin's tolerance to hit jobs of their own on their own soil. Take it as a trial run of things to come. Naturally both of them are fine seeing Russia escalate or taking it in the ass (which will ensure future occurrences - today it's Dugin - daughter being the unfortunate casualty, tomorrow? who's next? target rich environment). The Kremlin smart guys should stop thinking about the reasoning behind the "bait"....if that is what consumes the little brain power they have left... the whole Ukrainian war is a fucking bait, laid in 2014, of which the Kremlin bit whole right then and there by allowing that regime to come to power - recognize it even  No . You're already in it....there is no point in restraint anymore - what's expedient is to finish the job, and finish the job competently, efficiently, to hit hard, and hit to kill. That is, to fix what wasn't fixed in 2014.

    The world is watching, there is nowhere to hide, there is no spin that can fool informed elites and stakeholders, no propaganda that will make due, even to the sheeple that grow restless. The war is at your door and it will be there to stay. Putin's public response to this event was as predictable as his predictably mediocre management of this mess since 2014.... that is, it was diplomatic, avoiding committing to any course of action. Expedient sure, but I'm not sure he's reading the room correctly... even his own room. It's war, and it needs a wartime leader, not an apparatchik. The man needs his Chechen years youth back for sure - the fire, the energy. The disconnect between what the propaganda portrays him as, and the performance in real-time continues to widen. To borrow from Kremlin double-speak, "Partners" will make sure that widening process continues to grow, and I'm not talking about Western propaganda here.


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    Post  TMA1 Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:04 pm

    You dont have to change your name like that, Vann7.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:36 am

    Fortunately there is a war going on so if Estonia does not cooperate and hand this person over Russia can pick and choose which oligarchs in Ukraine to bomb from the air... much easier to kill someone with a missile or large bomb...

    They will have detailed information on these people... maybe even some with ties to Estonia... that would be a bonus... these people are supporting the war and helping it to continue so bomb some of them and watch the rest run to the EU... that will weaken the nazi threads in their social structure and make it easier for those they have been oppressing to take over perhaps.

    Or just some more dead Orcs...

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:52 am

    I have mentioned Starokievskaya street, not by accident.
    Take a look on the Kiev map. As Dnepr runs south, there is a long penisula between it and Kozynka river.
    The whole area is luxury location for the Ukro masters of puppets, with the most expensive villas and properties. Closer to Kiev, bigger the fish is.
    You have all the Kievan oligarchy, politicians, media stars, and other scum gathered in one place. A really, really PERFECT target for a nice carpet bombing, with lets say a dozen of Tu-22M with 500 kilo FABs.
    Oh yeah, that would be an asymmetric response I would say.

    And as I am not bloodthirsty, they should give a specific date&time of the bombing. Let them run Laughing
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    FP wrote " Also, a Russian senator has demanded that Estonia detain and transfer custody of the accused to Russia .This is pretty serious. If Estonia refuses, then Russia will have grounds to suppose that this was an official NATO-sponsored terrorist attack against civilians in Russia, and aimed at killing high-profile political or social figures.Which would make it open season for Russia to do the same thing back. " There are some aspects of the official Russian explanation , that make no sense to me : First is that , the accused is a middle-class aged woman with young child in tow ! Surely , whoever did this , could send a strong man , much younger , and without a child ! You know the Arni - Swaziwelder type . Second is the strange story that this person was under surveillance for some time , with very suspicious movements and false number plates and hair colour and ......still was not apprehended or arrested ? And lastly the speed of investigation , even down to the weight of explosive of 400 g , being used ! No way any investigation could come up with that so quickly . And the UKIs have denied responsibility , something they would take pride in . So this leaves at this stage the option of internal opposition and then the yanks ! But internal opposition have not taken responsibility , something they would take pride in . So this leaves only the ...you know who . But even then , yes , this woman " is " the culprit . This is only one disadvantage of a leisurely pace of SMO , the spreading of the war !

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    ALAMO wrote:I have mentioned Starokievskaya street, not by accident.
    Take a look on the Kiev map. As Dnepr runs south, there is a long penisula between it and Kozynka river.
    The whole area is luxury location for the Ukro masters of puppets, with the most expensive villas and properties. Closer to Kiev, bigger the fish is.
    You have all the Kievan oligarchy, politicians, media stars, and other scum gathered in one place. A really, really PERFECT target for a nice carpet bombing, with lets say a dozen of Tu-22M with 500 kilo FABs.
    Oh yeah, that would be an asymmetric response I would say.

    And as I am not bloodthirsty, they should give a specific date&time of the bombing. Let them run Laughing

    Send them a message that they have 5 minutes to leave their homes. A minute later send another one: "By the way we will use Kinzhal".
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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:36 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Still can't quite get over the fact that she brought her 12-year old daughter with her to conduct a terror attack.

    Was the kid just brought along to make her seem more legit as a "refugee" when going through immigration? Even worse.

    The kid is a good cover. Put the explosives in her little backpag. Unlikely that a police officer will search a kid.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:40 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    FP wrote " Also, a Russian senator has demanded that Estonia detain and transfer custody of the accused to Russia .This is pretty serious. If Estonia refuses, then Russia will have grounds to suppose that this was an official NATO-sponsored terrorist attack against civilians in Russia, and aimed at killing high-profile political or social figures.Which would make it open season for Russia to do the same thing back. " There are some aspects of the official Russian explanation , that make no sense to me :  First is that , the accused is a middle-class aged woman with young child in tow ! Surely , whoever did this , could send a strong man , much younger , and without a child ! You know the Arni - Swaziwelder type . Second is the strange story that this person was under surveillance for some time , with very suspicious movements and false number plates and hair colour and ......still was not apprehended or arrested ? And lastly the speed of investigation , even down to the weight of explosive of 400 g , being used ! No way any investigation could come up with that so quickly . And the UKIs have denied responsibility , something they would take pride in . So this leaves at this stage the option of internal opposition and then the yanks ! But internal opposition have not taken responsibility , something they would take pride in . So this leaves only the ...you know who . But even then , yes , this woman " is " the culprit . This is only one disadvantage of a leisurely pace of SMO , the spreading of the war !


    Why did the AZOV Nazi agent go with a child? Very easy. To reduce suspicion to a minimum. Even Muslim fundamentalists are less evil and more valuable.
    They are not only cowards or conformists for doing nothing with the criminal regime that governs them, they are promoters of terrorism.


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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:53 pm

    I would like to add something. I don't know Dugin personally, but I do know a friend who has brought him to Argentina for conferences.
    He tells me that he is an excellent person, humble and simple, picturesque for that look of Orthodox Christ. He never denies you an interview or talks. Anti-globalist and anti-liberal, of course, because ideas are their battlefield. However, he is open to discussing contrary ideas. Nothing to do with how he is presented by the media that have treated him as a satanist.
    In other words, a good Russian.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:51 pm



    Came across an interview of Dugin by an American conservative circle some years ago

    What strikes me is the introduction which I've linked above, where the girl goes into depth about how shunned Dugin is and even feared among Western philosophical and presumably political circles.
    Like his thinking is an actual thought crime.

    Dangerous enough to take a shot at him, I wonder?

    It's both tragic and funny though.
    Because for all the threat that Dugin poses to NATO, in Russia itself he's just regarded as a bit of an eccentric and curiosity.

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