Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+62
Rodion_Romanovic
thegopnik
jhelb
VARGR198
psg
Sujoy
TMA1
Azi
sepheronx
RTN
sundoesntrise
ATLASCUB
PhSt
calripson
Backman
Dforce
Serberus
crod
owais.usmani
Eugenio Argentina
Urluber
zorobabel
JohninMK
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
Broski
walle83
Isos
Scorpius
SolidarityWithRussia
Belisarius
billybatts91
Regular
wilhelm
xeno
franco
limb
Mir
Singular_Transform
lyle6
Arrow
PapaDragon
SeigSoloyvov
Stealthflanker
d_taddei2
Dr.Snufflebug
mnztr
Arkanghelsk
Odin of Ossetia
nomadski
kvs
dionis
GarryB
ucmvulcan
Firebird
Hole
Werewolf
Big_Gazza
ALAMO
caveat emptor
flamming_python
Airbornewolf
LMFS
66 posters

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 1774
    Points : 1774
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:01 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Edit : stored ammo detonation at Saki airbase near Novofedorovka. No casualties, no destruction of equipment. Su-24M and Su-30 are stationing there.
    It didn't look in videos that explosions were coming from single place. Let's see.
    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 1774
    Points : 1774
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:03 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    It's a Propaganda show it doesn't matter what anyone says there. Zhirinovsky said things half the country was stounding that someone had the balls to say it, besides, if you really gonna put some missile on a NATO country you will not announce it and certainly not from a nobody like that guy.
    Exactly. This MP seems like a clown. This was his minute of fame.
    How low can politicians go. 🤣
    Mir
    Mir


    Posts : 3074
    Points : 3076
    Join date : 2021-06-10

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Mir Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:04 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Edit : stored ammo detonation at Saki airbase near Novofedorovka. No casualties, no destruction of equipment. Su-24M and Su-30 are stationing there.

    Perhaps an accident? Someone on RT commented that the explosions occurred near the base but not on the base itself.

    Backman likes this post

    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13191
    Points : 13233
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:04 pm

    franco wrote:Colonel Ruslan Trihub, head of the Darnytsia territorial recruitment center (military enlistment office) in Kyiv, bitterly told that after the start of general mobilization, the flow of volunteers who wanted to fight in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had critically dried up. According to the military commissar, if a few months ago “there were some difficulties due to the large flow of volunteers who wanted to get weapons and go to defend Ukraine,” now the picture is completely different.

    All the queues in the territorial centers that are shown on television are people who want to get a deferral, go through a medical commission, or those who came for some other issues. Out of a hundred volunteers, there will be about three - Trigub stated sadly.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/200068-iz-100-chelovek-ostanutsja-troe-o-masshtabah-dobrovolcheskogo-dvizhenija-na-ukraine.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Everyone is a badass warrior tough guy until they need to actually put their own ass on the chopping block

    Once that happens they all discover their inner hippie lol1




    GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, LMFS, owais.usmani, Backman, Broski and Urluber like this post

    Regular
    Regular


    Posts : 3867
    Points : 3843
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Ukrolovestan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Regular Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:04 pm

    Dforce wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Yeah, local partisans fed up with the occupation sounds much more plausible. Or SF roaming free with the help of locals is also possible.

    No such thing as local partisans in Crimea. Kherson - maybe, but not there.

    In the middle of the day? If it’s sabotage - then it shows very high incompetence levels. How can you penetrate military base of such importance? Multiple checkpoints, cameras everywhere, security detail. This is juiciest target and supposedly was most secure one.

    Also, according to locals - not even family members could get in if they wanted and I highly doubt Russian soldiers did anything like that. I would rather believe it was accident as this would be more plausible.

    d_taddei2, Big_Gazza and kvs like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 6270
    Points : 6362
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:06 pm

    Mir wrote:
    Perhaps an accident? Someone on RT commented that the explosions occurred near the base but not on the base itself.

    This base is quite big, very hard to say.
    A film with beach huts in the background was made from the resort located west of the base. The one with two big pools you can spot in satellite imaginary.

    I would opt for an accident either.


    Last edited by ALAMO on Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:14 pm; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    Belisarius


    Posts : 647
    Points : 647
    Join date : 2022-01-04

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Belisarius Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:10 pm

    Russian military destroys M109A3GN SAU in Mykolayiv region

    The plant was hit by a bomber munition - Suicide drone.

    The strike was coordinated by a reconnaissance drone crew.

    At least part of the crew is badly wounded and the US artillery piece is damaged.
    https://t.me/theRightPeople1/5508

    d_taddei2, LMFS and Hole like this post

    Serberus
    Serberus


    Posts : 415
    Points : 415
    Join date : 2022-02-24

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Serberus Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:11 pm

    UPDATE: Explosions in Crimea Result of Accident at Ammunitions Depot – Defense Ministry
    Huge explosions reported near a Russian military base in Crimea were the result of an accident at an ammunition storage facility, according to Russia’s MoD.
    No one was injured in the accident and damage to the stored equipment has apparently been minimal, officials added. Emergency services are combating the flames on site. An investigation into the exact causes of the accident is underway.
    RT

    GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, LMFS, Hole and like this post

    Regular
    Regular


    Posts : 3867
    Points : 3843
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Ukrolovestan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Regular Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:12 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 0f575510

    Interesting accident…

    walle83 likes this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 8988
    Points : 9050
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:16 pm

    franco wrote: Formation in Russia of regional and "national" volunteer battalions

       The Kommersant newspaper published Andrey Vinokurov's article “Special Volunteer Operation. How the regions form units to participate in the SVO in Ukraine” about the formation in the Russian Federation of regional and “national” volunteer battalions to participate in a special military operation in Ukraine. Soldiers of the volunteer battalion "Tiger" formed in Primorsky Krai, July 2022 (c) press service of the Government of Primorsky Krai

       At the end of last week, it became known about the formation in St. Petersburg of three “named” volunteer units to participate in a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine. The formation of such detachments has been going on in the regions for several months now: local authorities and veteran organizations are calling for them to join, volunteers are promised solid cash payments and provision with all the necessary equipment. Procedural issues are resolved through the military registration and enlistment offices, where those wishing to go to the NVO enter into a contract with the Ministry of Defense. As a rule, such units consist of fellow countrymen who are trained together and will also have to participate in hostilities together.

       Information about the creation in St. Petersburg of volunteer detachments "Kronstadt", "Neva" and "Pavlovsk" appeared on August 4 in the public "VKontakte" under the name "Point of selection for military service under the contract." According to the announcement, these units are staffed "exclusively by residents of St. Petersburg."

       The formation of such units has been going on in the regions since spring: according to Kommersant's estimates, more than 40 such units have already been created in at least two dozen subjects of the Russian Federation.

       Information about them is published in the media and social networks of the authorities, while they receive special names, one way or another indicating their territorial affiliation. As a rule, these units include residents of the very region where they are formed, who together undergo training and combat coordination, and then go together to the NWO.

       So, in Yakutia, a volunteer detachment is called "Bootur" - according to local legends, Elley Bootur is considered the ancestor of the Yakuts. On July 28, the head of the republic, Aisen Nikolaev, wrote about his forthcoming dispatch to the NVO “to liberate the friendly republics, strengthen the borders and defend our country” in his Telegram channel. According to the commander of "Botur" Alexander Kolosov, it includes drivers, mechanics, air defense gunners and machine gunners.

       “The main principle that we are forming here is fraternity… The battalion will come to its fellow countrymen prepared and will be a good support for the military units that are participating in the special operation in Ukraine,” governor Oleg Kozhemyako described the tasks of the Primorsky Tiger detachment. On July 9, the press service of the regional government announced the beginning of the formation of the battalion. Its fighters are being trained at the base of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet.

       “The idea is that the battalions should be formed only from the natives of Tatarstan, so that they stand shoulder to shoulder, know each other, walk together and carry out the assigned tasks,” explained the principle of the formation of the Alga and Timer battalions (from Tatar - “Forward” and “Iron”), the head of the selection point for military service under a contract in Kazan, Major Evgeny Tokmakov. And the press secretary of the President of Tatarstan, Lilia Galimova, assured that this initiative was born “at the call of the soul”: “As far as I understand, people who are directly involved in this made an appeal. I have not heard that the leadership of the republic made any appeals.” The Tatar battalions have their own Telegram channel, where campaign videos are periodically published. "I am Alexey. Every day I work in the field in my native Volzhsk, - says in one of them a volunteer, sitting in an infantry fighting vehicle. “I am Bulat, an IT specialist from Nizhnekamsk. I develop programs for large companies in the city,” says another.

       When enrolling in the Chuvash communications battalion "Atal" (from the Chuvash - "Volga"), which can also only be entered by residents of the republic, knowledge of the Chuvash language is considered a plus. To sign the contract, no experience of military service is required, but you need a signalman's education or a driver's license category B, C, D, E.

       In the Perm Territory, a motorized rifle company "Parma" of 90 people and a tank battalion "Molot" (about 160 people) are being formed. Another tank battalion named after Kuzma Minin is being created in the Nizhny Novgorod region. The Amur region, as reported in mid-July by local media, is gathering the Amursky motorized rifle battalion, which is expected to consist of 400-500 people. An announcement appeared on the website of the government of the Leningrad Region about recruiting for the Nevsky and Ladoga artillery battalions. And in the Tyumen region, they announced the formation of three units at once with different specializations: the Tobol sapper battalion, the Taiga sniper company, and the Siberia artillery battalion. According to the official version, Tobol was formed on the initiative of veterans of the Tyumen Higher Military Engineering Command School.

       Bashkiria prepared two motorized rifle battalions for the NVO. The formation of the first, named after Minigali Shaimuratov (a Soviet Bashkir military leader during the Great Patriotic War), was announced back in May by the republican organization Veterans of the Marine Corps and Special Forces of the Navy. And in June, “Veterans of the airborne troops and special forces of Bashkortostan” announced the creation of a battalion named after Alexander Dostavlatov (a Ufa man who died in the second Chechen war). The head of the republic, Radiy Khabirov, said that the total number of two battalions exceeded 800 people.

      Support units are being created in a number of regions.

       For example, the Seim logistics battalion from the Kursk region will transport fuel, food, ammunition, etc. The Omsk region announced the formation of a repair company, a logistics company and a medical unit under the names Irtysh, Avangard and " Om." Auto mechanics, logisticians, freight forwarders, supply managers and paramedical personnel are most in demand there. According to the Omsk authorities at the beginning of last week, 150 applications for service were received, 50 people have already passed the selection and are included in the order, and another 400 people called the contact number and declared their readiness to join nominal battalions.

       Among other "nominal" units - "Angara" (Irkutsk region), Chelyabinsk battalions "South Ural" (261 people) and "Southern Ural" (253 people), Tomsk "Toyan" (after the prince of the tribe of Eushta Tatars who lived on the banks of the Tom in the 17th century). The Ulyanovsk battalions "Sviyaga" (a river that flows through Ulyanovsk) and "Simbirsk" are expected to have 200 fighters each. According to Maxim Korzhov, deputy head of the central recruiting center in Ulyanovsk, the interest in concluding contracts is “very high”: more than 100 calls are received per day.

       In the Krasnodar Territory, volunteer detachments are formed on the basis of the Kuban Cossack army. Back in April, a detachment named after the ataman of the Black Sea Cossack army Zakhary Chepiga was created there, and in May - the Kuban detachment. In total, about 1.2 thousand Cossacks participate in the SVO, and a special training center for Cossack volunteers operates in the region. In addition, on July 22, information appeared on the website of the Union of Cossack Warriors of Russia and Abroad about the reorganization of the Don Cossack detachment into a brigade and the addition of the Terek battalion to it. The new brigade should also include the Kuban and the Yenisei unit. Earlier, the media wrote about the participation of the Cossack divisions Yermak and Taurida in the NWO.

       The Ministry of Defense is responsible for procedural formalities in all regions: volunteers sign contracts with it for a period of several months with the possibility of extension and receive the official status of contract soldiers.

       A typical scheme for the distribution of responsibilities in the formation of regbats for many constituent entities of the Russian Federation was previously described in an interview by the Primorye Governor Kozhemyako: in the case of the Tiger, ammunition (body armor and helmets) is supplied by the Pacific Fleet, the region takes care of clothing and special equipment (“various sights, walkie-talkies, quadrocopters” ), and the Ministry of Defense provides weapons.

       The promised benefits to volunteers vary from region to region. So, in the Omsk region they say that after arriving on the territory of the North Military District, the salary of contractors will be at least 130 thousand rubles. In other regions, higher figures are given, exceeding 200 thousand rubles. And in the Perm Territory, volunteers are promised at all that they will receive at least 300 thousand rubles. per month. Regional authorities, in turn, are ready for one-time payments (from 100 thousand rubles), but they are not always available immediately. For example, in Tatarstan, volunteers are promised to be paid only 60,000 at once, and they will receive another 200,000 after crossing the border. In addition, contract soldiers are entitled to various payments for the successful conduct of hostilities and daily allowances of 8 thousand rubles. "for each day of the offensive." Regional surcharges are also provided in the event of the death of volunteers: for example,

       Recall that Chechnya began to form nominal military units from local residents long before the events in Ukraine, and they participated in the NMD from the first days. In particular, these are the Akhmat OMON and SOBR detachments (named after the President of Chechnya in 2003-2004 Akhmat Kadyrov), the Yug battalion and the 141st motorized regiment named after Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov. At the end of June, the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced the formation of four new battalions to participate in the Northern Military District: North-Akhmat, South-Akhmat, West-Akhmat and East-Akhmat.

       As a well-informed federal official explained to Kommersant on condition of anonymity, contract units are formed on a territorial basis, since it is more convenient to work with volunteers.

       The regional authorities, according to him, were asked to provide, first of all, informational support, they also help with finances and raise funds for additional logistics. To the question of Kommersant whether after the NWO there could be problems with such units at the place of their formation, the interlocutor of Kommersant replied: “This is the principle of the lesser evil. Yes, and fight for a long time and in different directions.

    https://bmpd-livejournal-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Interesting that they are forming a Chuvash communication battalion. National units such as the Chechen and Tuvan ones engaged in the field already have the advantage of their communications being incomprehensible to the enemy and un-interceptable, but this is only relevant at short range and when the unit is directly engaged.

    Actually using such languages for communications over distances though would complicate & delay the Ukrainian and NATO ELINT/eavesdropping tasks considerably however.

    Of course Chuvash is a Turkic language, as are over half of these national languages. NATO of course would have no shortage of specialists who know Turkish, including Turkish officers directly but not only. There are Turkish nationalist mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine by some accounts, and doubtlessly some Ukrainian officers would know the language as well.
    But Chuvash is far from the most mutually-intelligible with Turkish. In fact it's among the most divergent from other Turkic languages (along with Yakut and Tuvan). With the use of code-words and other precautions, they might as well be talking Navajo.


    Last edited by flamming_python on Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:20 pm; edited 1 time in total

    GarryB, franco, Regular, d_taddei2, Mir and Broski like this post

    zorobabel
    zorobabel


    Posts : 701
    Points : 699
    Join date : 2015-09-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  zorobabel Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:20 pm

    I would hesitate to believe any sources at this time. Almost certainly satellite pics are being taken at this time.

    GarryB, Werewolf and Big_Gazza like this post

    Werewolf
    Werewolf


    Posts : 5917
    Points : 6108
    Join date : 2012-10-24

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:24 pm

    Serberus wrote:UPDATE: Explosions in Crimea Result of Accident at Ammunitions Depot – Defense Ministry
    Huge explosions reported near a Russian military base in Crimea were the result of an accident at an ammunition storage facility, according to Russia’s MoD.
    No one was injured in the accident and damage to the stored equipment has apparently been minimal, officials added. Emergency services are combating the flames on site. An investigation into the exact causes of the accident is underway.
    RT

    I would be cautious with statements right after something happened as it is impossible to tell if someone died or a mistake. There were no investigations yet and let alone someone being able to investigate one hour after the event.

    There is also the motive to downplay something as it is normal behavior for both sides, but statements like these might be later used as "proof" that Russians always lie.

    GarryB, flamming_python, Regular and Broski like this post

    zorobabel
    zorobabel


    Posts : 701
    Points : 699
    Join date : 2015-09-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  zorobabel Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:27 pm

    Crazy video of the simultaneous explosions

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1557005287134986249

    Regular and Broski like this post

    Regular
    Regular


    Posts : 3867
    Points : 3843
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Ukrolovestan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Regular Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:29 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Crazy video of the simultaneous explosions

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1557005287134986249

    Thanks for sharing. It must be two accidents at the same time. Or two saboteurs.

    I guess better to wait satellite pictures of what was hit. Too early to say that there was no damage, the fire is still raging.
    Backman
    Backman


    Posts : 2599
    Points : 2611
    Join date : 2020-11-11

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Backman Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:35 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Serberus wrote:UPDATE: Explosions in Crimea Result of Accident at Ammunitions Depot – Defense Ministry
    Huge explosions reported near a Russian military base in Crimea were the result of an accident at an ammunition storage facility, according to Russia’s MoD.
    No one was injured in the accident and damage to the stored equipment has apparently been minimal, officials added. Emergency services are combating the flames on site. An investigation into the exact causes of the accident is underway.
    RT

    I would be cautious with statements right after something happened as it is impossible to tell if someone died or a mistake. There were no investigations yet and let alone someone being able to investigate one hour after the event.

    There is also the motive to downplay something as it is normal behavior for both sides, but statements like these might be later used as "proof" that Russians always lie.


    I would hope that Russia just covers it up instead of going for the "objectivety" dividend that doesn't exist.

    If the Hohols were shooting at something , they would go for maximum casualties or propaganda. Like shooting at the best aircraft in their range. They wouldn't just hit a pallet of ammo.

    But maybe some sbu got in and this is all they could pull off. the sbu has a unlimited amount of money from the USG. Eventually some of their operations will succeed just by the law of averages.


    Last edited by Backman on Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:54 pm; edited 1 time in total

    GarryB, Big_Gazza and kvs like this post

    nomadski
    nomadski


    Posts : 2675
    Points : 2683
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  nomadski Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:41 pm

    The size of explosions similar to 500 lb bomb . About 30 ~ 50 meter fireball . Near simultaneous . Spread over several hundred meters . Aircraft Ammo unlikely to be all of 500 lb size and go off together . Range from mainland Ukraine of 130 miles , together with size of explosions , indicates either BM  ( M48 - ATACMS ) or more likely cruise Harpoon . Unlikely site did not have AD . Therefore Harpoon went under Radar ? Or travel a bit over land in Russian region and attack from unexpected direction ?


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5OtyTTlHhtg


    Last edited by nomadski on Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:45 pm; edited 1 time in total
    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 8988
    Points : 9050
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:44 pm

    Dforce wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Yeah, local partisans fed up with the occupation sounds much more plausible. Or SF roaming free with the help of locals is also possible.

    Ukr SF would not be roaming free in the Crimea with the help of locals. Most likely they would be reported by the first or second local they were caught sight of by.
    There's no such thing as a partisan against the occupation in the Crimea either; in the sense of someone running around in the forests and hills with a rifle and being fed by sympathetic farmers. 90% of the Crimean population is either hostile or indifferent to the Ukraine. 10% are sympathetic to varying degrees; but very few of them are willing to involve themselves in anything - not only as its dumb, but also because their friends or relatives are often pro-Russian. The sole exceptions are maybe a few Islamist Crimean Tatar villages in the mountainous parts who do have inhabitants co-operating with Ukrainian intelligence; but those fellas do not live in any sensitive areas or work in sensitive fields; they're monitored with all 10 eyes by the local FSB.

    Likely a couple Ukrainian agents; either local banderites recruited by the SBU who slipped past the perimeter, or some turncoat servicemen who were bought off with money. But I'm favouring the bandera fanatic explanation as such a plan would involve a low chance of success and extraction post-op.


    Last edited by flamming_python on Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:52 pm; edited 2 times in total

    Werewolf, Big_Gazza and Broski like this post

    Backman
    Backman


    Posts : 2599
    Points : 2611
    Join date : 2020-11-11

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Backman Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:50 pm

    Dforce wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Yeah, local partisans fed up with the occupation sounds much more plausible. Or SF roaming free with the help of locals is also possible.

    Speaking of penetration. Looks like the NAFO muttpack might have got in

    flamming_python, Regular, kvs, LMFS and Broski like this post

    Backman
    Backman


    Posts : 2599
    Points : 2611
    Join date : 2020-11-11

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Backman Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:55 pm

    nomadski wrote:The size of explosions similar to 500 lb bomb . About 30 ~ 50 meter fireball . Near simultaneous . Spread over several hundred meters . Aircraft Ammo unlikely to be all of 500 lb size and go off together . Range from mainland Ukraine of 130 miles , together with size of explosions , indicates either BM  ( M48 - ATACMS ) or more likely cruise Harpoon . Unlikely site did not have AD . Therefore Harpoon went under Radar ? Or travel a bit over land in Russian region and attack from unexpected direction ?


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5OtyTTlHhtg

    I don't think it was a 500 pound bomb. They actually look like the kind of bombs they use at airshows for pyrotechnics

    GarryB likes this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 1774
    Points : 1774
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:57 pm

    I don't believe it was accident as area of explosions was too far apart. At the end of the day, someone in BSF command chain needs to be kicked out, as this is not the first **** up they did.

    owais.usmani, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 1774
    Points : 1774
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:01 pm

    nomadski wrote:Or travel a bit over land in Russian region and attack from unexpected direction ?
    This is highly unlikely as this area is very urban and population density is pretty high. Someone would see or hear the rocket in flight.
    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 8988
    Points : 9050
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:03 pm

    Dforce wrote:
    Arrow wrote:https://t.me/breakingmash/37260

    Apparently an airbase in the Crimea.

    Those evil Ukrups, shooting on their own country! attack

    Well I certainly don't consider the Crimea as part of the Ukraine, but if we're to entertain the notion for a minute

    Then yeah, goes with the theme. Shooting their own country, shooting their own captive prisoners of war in Olenivka, shooting their own civilians in Bucha.

    It's the only thing this abortion of a regime is successful in

    Big_Gazza likes this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 8988
    Points : 9050
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:07 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:I don't believe it was accident as area of explosions was too far apart. At the end of the day, someone in BSF command chain needs to be kicked out, as this is not the first **** up they did.

    Moskva sinking, Sevastopol HQ being attacked on Navy day, etc..

    But at the end of the day this is a strategic region right next to an active warzone, and under the most intense surveillance from every NATO state with assets available

    It's not a surprise that it or its fleet suffers some hits.

    Without knowing how many attempts were thwarted we can't judge as to the success of local anti-terrorist measures

    GarryB, d_taddei2 and Big_Gazza like this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1076
    Points : 1074
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:10 pm

    Most likely sabotage by some SBU infiltrators. The guys who attempted to bomb the BSF HQ in Sevastopol with a DIY drone a while back have yet to be caught AFAIK. So there is at least one clandestine SBU cell still operating in Crimea.

    sepheronx, franco, flamming_python, Big_Gazza and Broski like this post

    avatar
    Dforce


    Posts : 123
    Points : 113
    Join date : 2015-07-22

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Dforce Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:25 pm

    Backman wrote:
    Dforce wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Margarita Simonyan reported a sabotage.
    Crimea is among the heaviest defended areas in Russia. I would put a possibility of multiple penetration close to zero.

    Yeah, local partisans fed up with the occupation sounds much more plausible. Or SF roaming free with the help of locals is also possible.

    Speaking of penetration. Looks like the NAFO muttpack might have got in


    I was here long before the dogs of war were let loose.

    Sponsored content


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 10 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:32 am