Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22

ZOKA wrote:Fragments of American-made AGM-88 HARM guided aircraft missile, which used to destroy enemy radars, found in the combat zone in Ukraine.
This is first documentary evidence of the use of such ammunition by Ukrainian military,transfer of which Kyiv was not previously reported.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1556279282938380291

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

ZOKA wrote:Fragments of American-made AGM-88 HARM guided aircraft missile, which used to destroy enemy radars, found in the combat zone in Ukraine.
This is first documentary evidence of the use of such ammunition by  Ukrainian military,transfer of which Kyiv was not previously reported.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1556279282938380291

Which platform of Ukraine can such a weapon use? Can Ukrainian SU-27 fire such a weapon?
The F-22 in Poland or Polish F-16 are rather the possible carrier to the border right?
This model of the harm will be integrated onto the f/a-18c/d, f/a-18e/f, EA-18G, and Tornado ECR Aircraft, and Later on the F-35 (externally).

NATO is officially opponents of the war! It was a NATO plane that must have used this weapon. mandatory!

flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.

Stealthflanker wrote:Would love if there is video for that.

The explosion must be epic.

JohninMK wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:Would love if there is video for that.

The explosion must be epic.

May have been 45,000kg not 45,000,000kg. Certainly more believable.

Isos wrote:
Concerning ARM use it can be easily transformed for ground to ground use. Exocets were transformed in Argentina to be used on airplanes when they were sold for only ship use back in the malvinas war.

The range of it would put f-18 in direct view of the radars. And if launched from the air it means its US planes because no su- or mig can.

They probably launched it in a general direction in hope it finds a radar and lock-on.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.

Smerch is not an equivalent of HIMARS, and someone who is stating that is either misinformed, with agenda in mind, or stupid.
Each Smerch launcher equals 3 HIMARS regarding lethality, payload, and coverage area.
It is a much longer range, comes with a much more versatile payload, and delivers much more punch than HIMARS.
Each Smerch salvo can contain a 9M534 rocket with T90 recon/fire correction drone Mir already presented.
This toy was battle ready back in 2004.
It uses guided rockets, subamunition payload, 25 pcs of MOTIV AT ammo, all you want/need, and soon the 200+km (300?) range missiles will be on the table.
One can bullshit all day long about the "mobility" of HIMARS, but Smerch is de facto more mobile in rough terrain and on equal using paved roads. Sure, being bigger.
Again, this all bullshit is a commercial campaign targeting potential buyers across Europe. Nothing more.
It is a simple tactical level MLRS system, inferior to the latest Uragan/Tornado modification, and not even close to BM30. Sure it can be useful, but there is not a single chance it can turn the tide in any way.
Just another piece of propaganda for ukromasturbatory.

Hole wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:
Silly Russians you retreat like you are advancing.  When you are retreating you are supposed to fall back not take further territory.  Come on make reality match the narrative of the Biden whitehouse and CNN. . . .

Mir wrote:
Argentina had a couple of French Super Etendards in service back then - which was the only aircraft they had that could launch the Exocet missiles as far as I know?
A ground launched Harm ARM would be possible but the already fairly short range of the missile would be even worse. I can only think that they are somehow launching them from whatever fighter aircraft they may have left.  

flamming_python wrote:

Like the rocket that hit in front of that administration building in Kharkov. If it was a Kalibr the damage would have been a lot more significant.

Stealthflanker wrote:Prob ground launched.  as there was Ground launched Shrike back in 82's and US apparently do make a container based ARM carrier.  Things remain now is targeting.  But according to Desgnation System. HARM can be launched in "Pre Briefed" mode, so basically going ballistic like Tochka. When it detects radar emmission it homes in otherwise it self destructed.

ALAMO wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
HIMARS is a proven weapons system at this point and should not be discounted. We don't know enough about the performance of the equivalent Smerch rocket to compare. But frankly its irrelevant. Russia has plenty of precision weapons to hit the Ukrs with already, and is doing so constantly.
The Ukrs only have one by this stage to engage Russian forces with, but are doing so with some success and so it should not be dismissed - especially as its radar reflection characteristics are still under analysis and air defense systems have not been optimized for it yet.

Smerch is not an equivalent of HIMARS, and someone who is stating that is either misinformed, with agenda in mind, or stupid.
Each Smerch launcher equals 3 HIMARS regarding lethality, payload, and coverage area.
It is a much longer range, comes with a much more versatile payload, and delivers much more punch than HIMARS.
Each Smerch salvo can contain a 9M534 rocket with T90 recon/fire correction drone Mir already presented.
This toy was battle ready back in 2004.
It uses guided rockets, subamunition payload, 25 pcs of MOTIV AT ammo, all you want/need, and soon the 200+km (300?) range missiles will be on the table.
One can bullshit all day long about the "mobility" of HIMARS, but Smerch is de facto more mobile in rough terrain and on equal using paved roads. Sure, being bigger.
Again, this all bullshit is a commercial campaign targeting potential buyers across Europe. Nothing more.
It is a simple tactical level MLRS system, inferior to the latest Uragan/Tornado modification, and not even close to BM30. Sure it can be useful, but there is not a single chance it can turn the tide in any way.
Just another piece of propaganda for ukromasturbatory.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Ah fanboy BS,

Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up

HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.

Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Ah fanboy BS,

Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up

HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.

Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,

Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up

HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.

Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Ah fanboy BS,
Why do you keep trying to go on about salvo load? oh right because that's the only point you can bring up
HIMARS isn't designed with that in mind, its designed to hit a needle in a haystack, it's a tactical MLRS designed to strike very specific points strategic points and that's what its been used for and has done so.
Also Smerch is not more mobile you literally just lied buddy.