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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:17 am

    https://t.me/milinfolive/88585?single

    There are reports that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Igor Osipov, has been removed from his post.

    Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov took his place.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:26 am

    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/milinfolive/88585?single

    There are reports that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Igor Osipov, has been removed from his post.

    Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov took his place.

    So he was not fired after losing the fleet flagship?

    And this guy was in charge of Saki airbase as well?

    FFS

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:33 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/milinfolive/88585?single

    There are reports that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Igor Osipov, has been removed from his post.

    Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov took his place.

    So he was not fired after losing the fleet flagship?

    And this guy was in charge of Saki airbase as well?

    FFS

    One screw up could be attributed to a lot of things but two is incompetence. If he is removed, hopefully the next guy does better.
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:39 am

    I wonder if standing orders for purchase od Mi-28 and Ka-52 till 2028, will be altered so they favour buying more Ka-52, which has been a workhorse in the role of attack helicopter in this operation. I've been seeing only sporadic videos of Mi-28 strikes and also small number of videos from the ground. Even then, Mi-28 is used mostly for convoy protection or as support to Mi-8. Also, in few videos of Mi-28 published by MoD, for some reason it is carrying only 80 and 122 mm unguided missiles. No guided missiles.
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:43 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    One screw up could be attributed to a lot of things but two is incompetence.  If he is removed, hopefully the next guy does better.

    He bares the blame as a commanding officer. Saki airfield commander will be sacked, imo. And if it was accident, caused by negligence, someone should go to jail.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:45 am

    Well for one, the only ship in the fleet capable of providing long range air defense away from shore was Moskva

    Why risk that ship when an S400 battery on west cost of Crimea could do the same?

    Was holding Zmeiny really so important at the time that the ship had to be so exposed ?

    Well I guess wel never know, the island was abandoned anyway and a naval landing scrapped ,

    No other ship can come through the strait at this time anyway

    As for Saki, regardless of whatever it was- if it was sabotage, there should have been crews there patrolling, if it was an accident, well I certainly never have seen a string of accidents affecting the only aircraft carrier in rank, a fleet flagship, and a fleet airbase within 2 years, only a moron could believe it

    So if sabotage didn't do it, nor an accident caused by the explosion fairy, then it was a missile strike ,

    Again where is the air defense? Kheimim was always facing this, and I have never seen such an explosion destroy those aircraft

    Although I have seen incompetent navy sail a mig29k to the bottom of the Mediterranean, as well as a su33 turn into a kilo class trying to land on the beached whale

    And shipyards destroy a perfectly good project 20385 by welding next to a gas soaked rag

    I know these lazy pieces of shit too well, they're all over the place
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:49 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Well for one, the only ship in the fleet capable of providing long range air defense away from shore was Moskva

    Why risk that ship when an S400 battery on west cost of Crimea could do the same?

    Was holding Zmeiny really so important at the time that the ship had to be so exposed ?

    Well I guess wel never know, the island was abandoned anyway and a naval landing scrapped ,

    No other ship can come through the strait at this time anyway

    As for Saki, regardless of whatever it was- if it was sabotage, there should have been crews there patrolling, if it was an accident, well I certainly never have seen a string of accidents affecting the only aircraft carrier in rank, a fleet flagship, and a fleet airbase within 2 years, only a moron could believe it

    So if sabotage didn't do it, nor an accident caused by the explosion fairy, then it was a missile strike  ,

    Again where is the air defense? Kheimim was always facing this, and I have never seen such an explosion destroy those aircraft

    Although I have seen incompetent navy sail a mig29k to the bottom of the Mediterranean,  as well as a su33 turn into a kilo class trying to land on the beached whale

    And shipyards destroy a perfectly good project 20385 by welding next to a gas soaked rag

    I know these lazy pieces of shit too well, they're all over the place

    You make a lot of assumptions. Its best you dont if you do not want people to think you are mentally slow.

    What if it was a meteorite?
    what if it was a submarine strike?
    what if it was Israel that did it?
    what if it was USA that did it?
    what if it was a cigarette that set it off?
    what if...

    I'll tell you, if it was a "missile" or "rocket" there would be evidence of such already.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:00 am

    I hope it was meteorite, or the US or Israel

    Anything better than an accident by apparently the most accident prone force in the world , or worse, a team of Ukrainian apes that successfully raided a Crimea airbase

    And if it was a cigarette butt, well after 20385, you would think we would have learned a lesson

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    Maybe it was an accident after all

    pwnd

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:25 am

    Keep in mind that a "normal" hanger that is not hardened or reinforced can actually collapse under pressure from a blast and cause even more damage. Pieces ripped off from such a hanger can be deadly for personnel not to mention the damage it can cause to aircraft.

    Exactly... cheap hangars that collapse every winter when they get a bit of snow on them would be worse than useless...

    The most secretive society on the planet, according to western propaganda, but... we got sources there!

    Not only that but the secret information we have is that they are confirming other BS we have been spouting on about for some time... surprised they aren't bringing some drones with them because Russia is desperately short of drones and soldiers it would appear in merica land.

    Despite the fact that a Ukrainian defence official was quoted in the NY times saying "A device exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture was used.” the U.S could well have been behind this attack on the Saki air base.

    Lets give credit where credit is due... Bullshit is the Ukraines strongest weapon, but the US are still supreme in spreading and muck raking... Kiev Americanised very quickly.

    These impact craters ( more than 10m wide craters) are way to big for a UAV like TB2 to have delivered a warhead. To make a crater like that we are talking several 100´s of kg off TNT.
    Craters are also symmetrical round, indicating the impact came straight from above.

    The size of the craters suggests something very big was sitting there and caught fire and exploded... which would create round craters too... but then explosions from HE warheads are spherical... an impact crater is something completely different and unless it was some meteors then it can be discounted as unlikely.

    These are most likely ATACMS or something similar that U.S fired from Odessa, over the sea and into Crimea.

    Two problems there... the US has already said it wont be supplying ATACMS to Kiev and that weapons it does supply are not to be used against Russian territory.

    ATACMS can easily be tracked and shot down... it is not even remotely stealthy, nor a very difficult target... and the number of craters would suggest a bare minimum of four would need to have been used.

    AGM-88 is being used along with HIMARS. The AGM-88 can hunt & take out any radar or EW in a +150km range from when it's fired in the air.

    SAMs that shoot down HIMARS rockets would have no problem shooting down any model of HARM... that is a primary function of TOR in fact.


    Russian Air Force was probably using their radars in on/off mode. Works on slow targets TB2, helos etc. But, an ATACMS @ 3700km/h needs ON mode.

    That does not make any sense at all... very small very low flying targets are the most difficult targets... in comparison ATACMS is easy... and I mean EASY.

    You think a 3,700km/h target is hard... S-400 is designed to engage targets moving at 4.8 kilometres per SECOND... that is faster than Zircon.

    4.8km/s is 17,280km/h...

    SLAVS from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine are the finest martial race for a reason.

    Fighting a war that you are going to lose because your new western masters want to humiliate Putin is not something to be proud of.

    They are walking into artillery and machine gun fire like idiots... the way most martial races don't.

    I would say Ukraine is the shallow end of the Slav gene pool... the kids end that is mostly piss now... What a Face

    Their racial superiority could do with a good kick up the arse with some basic common sense... by all means fight for a cause... just don't fight for someone elses... Kiev is fighting Americas war against Putin and they are happy to fight to the last Orc because they probably consider Orcs only slightly above Rooskies anyway.

    Just the same as they want a war between India and China to deal with those enormous populations and then they can sell shit to what is left over.

    No WW3 isn't around the corner or guaranteed to happen, There is a reason the Russians aren't targeting the people sending the weapons, because long as they don't do that no one will go to war over Ukraine.

    They can't ignore that shit forever though... eventually those weapon sources are going to have to be dealt with if only because their lines are so much shorter as they progress to the west of the country so there is less chance to intercept cargoes on the way to the front line.

    To label every single Ukie who fights against the russians as Nazi's and Scum makes you nothing but a Grade A, Piece of shit IMO.

    Has I have said before many of them are merely men fighting to defend their homes in their eyes.

    When you were in Syria we talked about Syrians just defending their country and you sang a different tune then... happy to kill any home defending patriots that got in your way... why the different song?

    Just like any russian soldiers, they are the unfortunate victims of the Scumbags in power.

    You are correct, but Kiev is giving Russia very little choice and a lack of spine from the population who accepted the Russian language being banned and all political parties that were even just neutral towards Russia also being banned and these people let it happen.... they have been shelling fellow Ukrainians for the last 8 years, and now they are the victims they see the problem.

    Do you know why you Buffon, the average Russian soldiers treat the average Ukie soldier they capture with respect? because they know neither of them WANTED this, both are just doing their duty.

    They treat those that surrender with respect... the ones that don't surrender end up dead... and not from old age.

    To achieve such a missile range the aircraft has to be above 8.000m. At such height it will be seen by long-range radars at 400 to 500km

    Another factor is that the satellite images released so far are from western sources, if there were hits on any radars at all we would see satellite images and claims Russian air defence is as useless as American air defence.

    For all the yapping about "game changer" HIMARS all I have seen from its use is damage to a bridge and damage to high rise apartment
    blocks resulting in the death of civilians.

    There are videos on Youtube about potholes in Russia and the Ukraine that are much much bigger than what HIMARS manages to create...

    I'll tell you, if it was a "missile" or "rocket" there would be evidence of such already.

    There would be a parade in Washington if it was a missile...


    Maybe it was an accident after all

    Perhaps you enjoy being a dick...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:40 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Well for one, the only ship in the fleet capable of providing long range air defense away from shore was Moskva

    Why risk that ship when an S400 battery on west cost of Crimea could do the same?

    It seems that Moskva was tasked to perform radar picket duty, probably to use her long range surveillance radar to monitor Romanian airspace and look for clandestine NATOstani support to Ukropi Odessa.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:42 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Looks like the attacks on the NPP are quite serious

    But nothing is done about it, in spite of advance knowledge of the catastrophe it would be...

    Just switch off the reactors and the problem is solved

    After the war is over reactivate them should the need still exist



    caveat emptor wrote:https://t.me/milinfolive/88585?single

    There are reports that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Igor Osipov, has been removed from his post.

    Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov took his place.

    That moron should be hanged and then his corpse should be hanged again

    He should have been hanged way back when Moskva got bitchslapped alongside her captain

    Don't send a warship near the coastline unless you plan to erase the coastline



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:43 am

    Garry has nothing to do with being a mean person

    Being negligent is okay, if your young , or have no responsibility

    But not at this level, and not after 30 years of seeing the same shit happen again and again and again

    You don't have to go to a military academy to avoid the shit we've seen
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:44 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Well for one, the only ship in the fleet capable of providing long range air defense away from shore was Moskva
    Why risk that ship when an S400 battery on west cost of Crimea could do the same?

    It seems that Moskva was tasked to perform radar picket duty, probably to use her long range surveillance radar to monitor Romanian airspace and look for clandestine NATOstani support to Ukropi Odessa.

    Thanks to efforts of ukrop apes and Russian Navy we now know what that class of ships should not be used for

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:55 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:To label every single Ukie who fights against the russians as Nazi's  and Scum makes you nothing but a Grade A, Piece of shit IMO.

    Has I have said before many of them are merely men fighting to defend their homes in their eyes. This doesn't make them Nazi's or scum but rather average guys doing what they think is right.

    So to insult them for doing that duty, well has I said POS.

    some examples for general reference.

    https://mega.nz/folder/FsllAKaT#Mt0wzs7FZro0ZONajA-hlQ

    and? I never denied there are Nazi's in the army, I merely said to think every single one is, just makes you a fool.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:05 am

    crod wrote:Guys, personally speaking I have to agree with Sieg here.

    I think it’s wildly inaccurate to believe every soldier fighting for Ukraine is a nazi or nazi affiliated.

    they just need a better education system that is not indoctrinating them to blinding nationalism.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:15 am

    The only Russian units you see today in Ukraine, are pilots of VKS, spetsnaz, SSO, some Rosgvard, and mostly artillery troops from missile and rocket forces wrote:

    It is not true that the Russian forces strengthened their forces on the southern front quite strongly. Of course, the front is still standing.
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:12 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote: you would think we would have learned a lesson


    And you would be saying the same thing when Ukraine takes out the Crimean bridge with the full support of NATO.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:07 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Maybe it was an accident after all

    pwnd

    Your condition suggests a lack of some vitamins obviously.
    Ever get closer to a serious production facility than by a fence?
    Accidents happened in production.
    Dot.
    Fires are common at each and any shipyard, no matter if that is US based, Russian or Japan one.
    Ship production, oil/gas drilling, coal mining, chemical processing - all of them are high risk business. Insurance rates are extremely high there either because of that. I remember several serious accidents with human life loss only in my career in the industry. And remind you we are talking about the factor of a scale the Russkies are operating at the moment.
    Accidents happened.
    War can be devastating to both sides, even the one that is obviously winning.
    People die on both sides.
    Material is being damaged at both sides.
    Ukros are twisted Russkies. They know how to fight, they are not worse than Russkies in that.
    They will inflict damage as much and long as they can.
    Objectively I am surprised that they hardly can do any serious harm because what we see is nothing much more serious than the usual terror&sabotage they have performed in both Crimea and LDNR for years.
    The kievan regime has been using terror and terroristic acts for years. It is a rough state for years.
    SBU was destroying pipelines, electric substations and grid, and railway infrastructure.
    They have deliberately targeted the emergency situation workers for a long time.
    Russian power agencies were arresting saboteur groups for years.
    A single citizen can do serious harm, and he can do it for lots of reasons.
    SBU doesn't hesitate for threatening, or kidnap children as objects and use them as pressure factor.
    There was a good document back in April or May about Melitopol, where ordinary people were obviously afraid to return for daily living, opening shops and businesses because they were afraid of the relatives who lived under the Kievan regime.
    The thing that is out of the box for a Russian citizen, who knows that nobody will threaten, harass or jail family members for someone's crimes/disobedience.
    Use some fresh air bro, it will help you keeping the head cool.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:09 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:So many lines have been crossed.... What's another one to the list?

    The flirting that's going on with the continuous sporadic shelling of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is a well calculated provocation, and a clear signal that says that even sabotaging a nuclear power plant is on the cards if the Kremlin toy boys don't behave. If you can't win the battle, then spoil the territory and its people, after all, it's not a fair fight for the Ukrainians - or so is the rational? I continue to be amazed at how with a limited set of cards as far as Ukraine goes, the outsider puppet masters in the US/UK manage the escalation ladder so well and the Kremlin simply just takes it in the ass (utter, criminal incompetence). Not to the mention the masterful job they've done in neutralizing any internal coup attempt for 8 years and counting. They've created an environment where there is little to no incentive for "heroes" to exist and pull of a coup - definitely not to defend Russia's elite interests in Ukraine.

    Now you've got the Kremlin crying in the UN, and with their propaganda arms about a potential nuclear catastrophe. If a catastrophe does indeed occur, then the Russian elite shares as much blame if not more than those doing the act, and should answer to the people affected forever (but then again to the Russian elite, those people are simply cattle - in words and deeds they get treated as such by them, and everybody else - the only variable is who treats them with worse contempt). It's within the Kremlin's power to neutralize the threat completely to leave no room for the threat ever materializing, even if it has a slim chance, which is more than it should ever have aka 0 chance. But instead this incompetent leadership leaves everything to a little games, and "sticking to plans" (whatever the fvck those are...a plan inflexible is no good plan at all), not "biting baits"......aka a dangerous gamble of... "they wouldn't dare".... until they do and then the bluff is called and Russia gets shit faced not knowing what to do against such a brazen act (as it has happened so far with a great many "red lines"). Crying to the "international community" won't do shit even in the event such a catastrophe comes to be.... you can't clean yourself by pointing fingers at the U.S/UK... pointing fingers don't solve problems - this is elementary. At the end of the day, nobody will lift a finger for Russians/Ukranians against the anglo-alliegiance + West if such a catastrophe comes to be. Nobody did it for Japan, nobody did it when Chernobyl went kaput. Mind your turf and take care of it well, cause no one else will.  This conflict is a great teacher for the younglings, if studied correctly.

    At the end of the day, a nuclear catastrophe in Ukraine does nothing to harm the U.S/UK since Russia won't nuke them for it... but it will be a great spoiler against Russia, an ultimate "fvck you", "we do mean business bitch" message. The Kremlin toy boys are allowing this dangerous game to be played... crazy to watch.

    Thing about striking the Zaporozhe NPP is that it will turn more of the locals there against the Ukraine and against the West which covers for it. And this region has plenty of Ukraine sympathisers

    But who won't appreciate running the risk of becoming irradiated.

    The thing is that the risk of catastrophe is actually fairly low, more so if extra precautions are taken. NPPs are all built with disasters or damage in mind, Soviet-era ones too. You'd have to hit in multiple precise areas to cause some sort of Chernobyl situation.
    The main risk is just the reactors having to be taken offline and the region left without power.

    So although I agree with ATLASCUB that the West knows how to manage the escalation ladder quite well - in reality what Kiev is doing is scoring another own goal. Big time. They're hitting Ukrainian territory and threatening to kill their own people, yet again.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:09 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Looks like the attacks on the NPP are quite serious

    But nothing is done about it, in spite of advance knowledge of the catastrophe it would be...

    Just switch off the reactors and the problem is solved

    After the war is over reactivate them should the need still exist


    I thought that the problem was not primarily the reactors in their concrete houses, it is the cooling pools etc. which can't be turned off.

    Haven't seen a report on Russia's presentation on the situation to the UNSC last night yet.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:29 am

    It is not a matter of switching on the reactors or not.
    The reactors can't be destroyed by the weaponry Ukros has, it is way too solid.
    What they are targeting, are the radioactive waste storage area or the general infrastructure of the plant, in order to destruct it's normal operations.
    The whole thing is just another attempt to make the issue more loud&global, as the interest for the Ukro is going down the toilet at a speeding rate.
    A rough, terrorist state as I have already said.
    The other thing is, that if faced with a rough regime, harsh measures should have been taken.
    Starting from obliterating the Rada building while the monkeys will yapping inside.
    Just put a price on the heads of responsible people, and open a hunting season.
    Target houses, dachas, hideaways, and cars they are using, Israeli way.
    Oh, the 12-story building collapsed?
    Sorry to hear that, we were targeting this single Hohol and took him out while he was busy shitting in his private bathroom.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:18 pm

    The populations in Ukraine have to be separated , with their own territory . They can not live side by side , especially after all the fighting . This means Odessa must be liberated too . Referendum are not realistic for this situation , when votes are only counted in bullets . And if airbase AD in Crimea had problems or there was sabotage or any other problem , then we must understand that it still was an accident , for obvious reasons . But those in the know , know , and I am sure remedial action can be taken . Now when does Russia has to respond directly to NATO ? I think only when their attacks become significant . This means that : it is not true that , SMO succeeded or security of Russia was ok ( economic or political or military ) . Planes or Bridges being hit here or there , alter nothing . Advances continue . And this NPP being hit , so that it goes " China syndrome " , as long as the wind blows towards western Europe , then who cares ? Lets call it poetic justice for Europeans supporting Nazis .

    Edit : Switch- off reactor , when wind blowing East . Switch - on , when wind blowing West . At least they get sporadic electricity !

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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:41 pm

    kvs wrote:For all the yapping about "game changer" HIMARS all I have seen from its use is damage to a bridge and damage to high rise apartment
    blocks resulting in the death of civilians.   It really looks like this precious system is not even used for real combat and is a type of
    terror weapon.   Then again, the Kiev regime forces have been launching MLRS rockets and artillery shells on civilians  since 2014.  

    BTW, where is the massive insurgency promised to us before February 24?   I recall clearly how the whole of Ukraine would rise up
    to fight Russian invaders.  

    Wait for it, the insurgency will be a game changer!  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:42 pm

    It will be a Wunderwaffe insurgency, remember my words!
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    nomadski wrote:The populations in Ukraine have to be separated , with their own territory . They can not live side by side , especially after all the fighting . This means Odessa must be liberated too . Referendum are not realistic for this situation , when votes are only counted in bullets . And if airbase AD in Crimea had problems or there was sabotage or any other problem , then we must understand that it still was an accident , for obvious reasons . But those in the know , know , and I am sure remedial action can be taken . Now when does Russia has to respond directly to NATO ? I think only when their attacks become significant . This means that : it is not true that , SMO succeeded or security of Russia was ok ( economic or political or military ) . Planes or Bridges being hit here or there , alter nothing . Advances continue . And this NPP being hit , so that it goes " China syndrome " , as long as the wind blows towards western Europe , then who cares ? Lets call it poetic justice for Europeans supporting Nazis .

    Edit : Switch- off reactor , when wind blowing East . Switch - on , when wind blowing West . At least they get sporadic electricity !


    The funny part is, that this NPP produces the electricity used in the Ukraine itself rather than LDNR, not to mention the Crimea that is electrically self sustained after building several gas turbine blocks there.


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