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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:12 am

    Crimea 2014, reunification



    LPR troops are advancing on Soledar.



    KA 52 hunts for ukrainian armor



    Ukrainians exodus to liberated territory



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    As kherson bridge is under repair after himars strike, Russians ferry civilians back and forth

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    LPR Armor in action

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:17 am

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    Analysis of guiding unit of 9M544 missile.
    Per request, we are doing a brief review of imported components in the SNS block from the 9M544 projectile.

    What do we see?
    - 2 chips in TSOP66 package. On such microcircuits, as a rule, memory modules are assembled. Russia DOES NOT produce chips in such packages.
    - Tantalum SMD capacitors. On aliexpress in excess.
    - DB15 connector. It is NOT produced in Russia.
    - SMA connector. It is NOT produced in Russia.
    - 3 ICs in LQFP64 package (low profile ICs).
    Here our patriotic subscribers, vehemently preaching the protective look "not caught - not a thief!", are waiting for victory! In Russia, controllers are produced in such a package, for example, K1986BE92QI from Milandra. True, the win ends here, because microcircuits in this package are declared by the manufacturer as acceptance of "OTK 1", i.e. for civil and household appliances (consumer goods). For a military grade, it is permissible to use ECB with acceptance of VP (OTK 5 and higher).

    In general, there is not a single microcircuit on the board that could fit into the military category (OTC 5 VP +). All microcircuits of the "commercial" class (OTK 1-3), i.e. for use in civil, household appliances. (consumer goods).
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    Post  franco Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:21 am

    Yes, but does it identify as a male Twisted Evil

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:26 am

    ☝ It is very unlikely these components can be sanctioned as they come from China. On the other hand, "strategic thinking" and destruction that "managers" like Chubais and Chemezov left behind is appaling. Not to mention that using non military grade components had to lead increase in  failure rate of equipment. Penny pinching for military procurement while using private planes and buying houses in French Riviera.
    These people should be shot and their assets seized by the state.

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    Post  calripson Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:54 am

    caveat emptor wrote:☝ It is very unlikely these components can be sanctioned as they come from China. On the other hand, "strategic thinking" and destruction that "managers" like Chubais and Chemezov left behind is appaling. Not to mention that using non military grade components had to lead increase in  failure rate of equipment. Penny pinching for military procurement while using private planes and buying houses in French Riviera.
    These people should be shot and their assets seized by the state.

    They could start by dismantling the Yeltsin museum in Yekaterinburg.

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    Post  kvs Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:59 am

    They should nationalize these French Riviera clown owned companies. One buyer with taxpayer money does not need a fake "free market"
    consisting of parasites who collude during bidding and corrupt the political system by bribing politicians and bureaucrats. An "inefficient"
    state owned enterprise would have used military grade components since following standards is not completely overshadowed by chasing
    profits. The faith in the profit motive is moronic. It does not breed merit, it breeds corruption.

    The tantalum capacitors are basically shit. They have a high chance of exploding after a short amount of operation.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:13 am

    Will be interesting to see if these components are found in all or most of the rockets or if it were certain batches?

    After this, I imagine there will be an inquiry regarding it.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:38 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    What is this missile?

    It is your Wunderwaffe Brimestone welcome
    Anoter hype that turned out to be premature Laughing

    caveat emptor wrote:☝ It is very unlikely these components can be sanctioned as they come from China. On the other hand, "strategic thinking" and destruction that "managers" like Chubais and Chemezov left behind is appaling. Not to mention that using non military grade components had to lead increase in  failure rate of equipment. Penny pinching for military procurement while using private planes and buying houses in French Riviera.
    These people should be shot and their assets seized by the state.

    That used to be an everlasting long mantra to justify absurd price tags of "military grade equipment" that was made with civilian dual-use parts ever since the 80s anyway.
    All Motorola chips were notorious dual-purpose ones, you could find those in both Seihosha printers and Tomahawk missiles.
    The point is, that in the case of Russian-made weaponry, it does influence the price tag, while in the corrupted West does not.
    Russia is expecting an domestic electronics production boom at any moment, it is one of the main tasks given by Putin a while ago. Till then, there is no option other to use widely available parts that can be purchased from a variety of subcontractors.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:26 am

    calripson wrote:
    They could start by dismantling the Yeltsin museum in Yekaterinburg.

    No, they should rename it to Museum of Traitors and the 5th column. Fill the museum of documentations and evidences of the Gorby and Yeltzy era, the 90's their funders and the current Yeltzin's like Navalny and whoever they have already proven to be paid by the West. Ahh...don't forget about the "NGOs" like western Presstitutes who always said they are "independent" but once the law was passed that they are obligated to show who finances them, then they felt attacked and after another law passed about criminalization fabrication of fakes and lies. The museum would be even visited by our Chinese neighbors to see our common enemies.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:03 am

    The WW3 scenario that they want along with Lebensraum 2.0 plans needs to be paid in blood, but I have low hopes for such retaliations because there is no precendence in history.

    Cutting them off from cheap energy and resources will do economic damage to them and their likely reactions should make it much worse... they are running at full speed to the edge of a cliff... Russia should not be tackling them and trying to slap some sense into them... they should be getting a nice viewing position some where far enough away from the point of departure from the ground that they can't reach out and take you with them...

    Here is @EvaKBartlett being openly threatened by UK psychopath @LouiseMensch who tags Special Operation Forces Of Ukraine. Not only are pro-Russian accounts censored and demonetized but they are forced to function under the constant threat of death because of unstable people.

    The link you give is gone now...

    Tanks!

    Banks!

    Reconstruction!... on the scaffolding there are... Planks!

    For those photos... thanks!

    What is this missile?

    Brimstone...

    Looks like this missile failed to find target , avionics in front section were self - destructed . Fell to Earth hard , damaging area away from camera ( the interesting area with logo ) . The person buried it , in a way not to show damage . Implying intact capture , to force Brits to stop sending them .

    This is UXO... unexploded ordinance on a battlefield.... there is no way in hell I would pick this up so I could bury its nose and pretend it landed like this... that warhead is likely armed and who knows what it would take to set it off.

    I wouldn't even lean a rifle against it to be honest... but I am sure the Russian sappers will have fun making it safe and taking it to bits.

    I have seen plenty of grad rockets that didn't explode that look just like that... the penetration speed and angle means there is no crater like some meteorite... the speed of impact normally compresses the dirt rather than digging it up and spreading it around the way a shell or bomb exploding would.

    It is very unlikely these components can be sanctioned as they come from China. On the other hand, "strategic thinking" and destruction that "managers" like Chubais and Chemezov left behind is appaling. Not to mention that using non military grade components had to lead increase in failure rate of equipment.

    Actually I would say the opposite... using easy to access components that are cheap and readily available and even if not in production in Russia right now would be useful in an enormous range of products both civilian and military would justify their production.

    Military grade in the west is a con to bleed more money from the military.

    I knew someone who was in IT in the military in Singapore and for HDD security the American companies suggested a custom designed keyboard with a red cover and a metal switch underneath to delete the hard drive of the computer... was only going to cost $1,000 US dollars per keyboard... in the 1980s.

    His solution was a few cents worth of red tape which he placed on the computer box to indicate the location of the hard drive. Instead of a switch on a thousand dollar keyboard the soldier would take their 45 cal pistol and put two rounds through the centre of where the red tape was crossed on the computer... much faster too.

    Point is that cheap and simple means you can have dozens of missiles for the price of so called military grade systems that cost dozens of times more but essentially do exactly the same thing.

    This is an example of taking new technology and making it affordable and easy to mass produce.

    That used to be an everlasting long mantra to justify absurd price tags of "military grade equipment" that was made with civilian dual-use parts ever since the 80s anyway.
    All Motorola chips were notorious dual-purpose ones, you could find those in both Seihosha printers and Tomahawk missiles.
    The point is, that in the case of Russian-made weaponry, it does influence the price tag, while in the corrupted West does not.
    Russia is expecting an domestic electronics production boom at any moment, it is one of the main tasks given by Putin a while ago. Till then, there is no option other to use widely available parts that can be purchased from a variety of subcontractors.

    I remember when the Play Station II came out and people in the US were beside themselves because of the processing power of the chip reportedly making it excellent for encryption or decryption and that they needed to keep it out of Chinese and Russian hands... and other such BS.

    No, they should rename it to Museum of Traitors and the 5th column. Fill the museum of documentations and evidences of the Gorby and Yeltzy era, the 90's their funders and the current Yeltzin's like Navalny and whoever they have already proven to be paid by the West. Ahh...don't forget about the "NGOs" like western Presstitutes who always said they are "independent" but once the law was passed that they are obligated to show who finances them, then they felt attacked and after another law passed about criminalization fabrication of fakes and lies. The museum would be even visited by our Chinese neighbors to see our common enemies.

    Have an Assange wing showing the western government crimes that were exposed and then brushed under the carpet... Snowden could be curator and exhibits could show what the west might be if it wasn't so broken and corrupt and bend on evil.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:44 am

    2 American HIMARS installations and 53 Ukrainian nationalists and foreign mercenaries were destroyed by a missile attack on the Ukrainian Energy Machines plant in Kharkov, a launcher of the American Harpoon anti-ship complex was destroyed near Veliky Dalnik in the Odessa region

    Russian Ministry of Defense
    https://t.me/levigodman/4350

    The Russian military during the special operation in Ukraine destroyed 6 launchers and over 200 HIMARS MLRS missiles (total)

    - Shoigu

    1 missile costs $150.000
    https://t.me/levigodman/4382

    33 M777 howitzers and five Harpoon anti-ship installations were destroyed in July.

    - Shoigu
    https://t.me/levigodman/4383

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:53 am

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    At the site of today's missile attacks in Odessa, decoy submunitions of the 9M723 OTRK Iskander-M air-ballistic missile were found. Such dummy targets emit radar and thermal radiation, which greatly complicates the work of Ukrainian air defence.
    https://t.me/theRightPeople1/5381?single

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:35 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 37 Img_2059
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    At the site of today's missile attacks in Odessa, decoy submunitions of the 9M723 OTRK Iskander-M air-ballistic missile were found. Such dummy targets emit radar and thermal radiation, which greatly complicates the work of Ukrainian air defence.
    https://t.me/theRightPeople1/5381?single

    It would be interesting if and how easy the muricans can update their systems to let their SAMs ignore such decoys and if this decoys exist with different "batches" emitting different frequency and infrared radiation.

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    Post  limb Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:20 pm

    Im really annoyed that Su-25s only use. 2 rocket pods per flight. Wtf is this? Its far less than what Ka-52s carry judging by videos. In footage, Ka-52s carry 2 rocket pods plus 6-12 ATGMs.

    I saw footage where a Su-25 flew out with 2 S-13 122mm pods, but each pod was only loaded with 3 rockets instead of 5. I understand keeping the aircrame wear to a minimum,but the wear will increase by having to make 1 flight per rocket salvo. These rockets habe far less blast radius than even the grad. You need a large amount of them. Whats the logic of releasing 20 S-8s or 6-13s at a range of several km vs just firing a grad. What pot belly retard thought of this?

    1. The entire flight, plus ground maintenance of the aircraft takes longer than reloading a grad.
    2. The explosives released ate far less.
    3. Rocket pods have less range than grads
    4. Response time is higher for a Su -25 or helicopter to reach the release pt and then fire vs firing the grad.


    Aircraft firing a few small rovkets indirectly is pountless and inneficient.
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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:57 pm

    limb wrote:Im really annoyed that Su-25s only use. 2 rocket pods per flight. Wtf is this? Its far less than what Ka-52s carry judging by videos. In footage, Ka-52s carry 2 rocket pods plus  6-12 ATGMs.

    I saw footage where a Su-25 flew out with 2 S-13 122mm pods, but each pod was only loaded with 3 rockets instead of 5. I understand keeping the aircrame wear to a minimum,but the wear will increase by having to make 1 flight per rocket salvo. These rockets habe far less blast radius than even the grad. You need a large amount of them. Whats the logic of releasing 20 S-8s or 6-13s at a range of several km vs just firing a grad. What pot belly retard thought of this?

    1. The entire flight, plus ground maintenance of the aircraft takes longer than reloading a grad.
    2. The explosives released ate far less.
    3. Rocket pods have less range than grads
    4. Response time is higher for a Su -25 or helicopter to reach the release pt and then fire vs firing the grad.


    Aircraft firing a few small rovkets indirectly is pountless and inneficient.

    In actual combat most strike aircraft never carry a full load. Lighter loads saves fuel and makes the aircraft a lot more maneuverable and less vulnerable. A flight of 4 or more such "lightly" armed aircraft can still deliver a significant punch. Also the longer you loiter over the target the more likely the chance to get blown out of the sky. On the other hand helicopters can effectively use the terrain as cover and can therefor hang around over the battlefield.

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    Post  limb Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:37 pm

    Mir wrote:
    limb wrote:Im really annoyed that Su-25s only use. 2 rocket pods per flight. Wtf is this? Its far less than what Ka-52s carry judging by videos. In footage, Ka-52s carry 2 rocket pods plus  6-12 ATGMs.

    I saw footage where a Su-25 flew out with 2 S-13 122mm pods, but each pod was only loaded with 3 rockets instead of 5. I understand keeping the aircrame wear to a minimum,but the wear will increase by having to make 1 flight per rocket salvo. These rockets habe far less blast radius than even the grad. You need a large amount of them. Whats the logic of releasing 20 S-8s or 6-13s at a range of several km vs just firing a grad. What pot belly retard thought of this?

    1. The entire flight, plus ground maintenance of the aircraft takes longer than reloading a grad.
    2. The explosives released ate far less.
    3. Rocket pods have less range than grads
    4. Response time is higher for a Su -25 or helicopter to reach the release pt and then fire vs firing the grad.


    Aircraft firing a few small rovkets indirectly is pountless and inneficient.

    In actual combat most strike aircraft never carry a full load. Lighter loads saves fuel and makes the aircraft a lot more maneuverable and less vulnerable. A flight of 4 or more such "lightly" armed aircraft can still deliver a significant punch. Also the longer you loiter over the target the more likely the chance to get blown out of the sky. On the other hand helicopters can effectively use the terrain as cover and can therefor hang around over the battlefield.

    10 S-13s is not light. Its basically training load. Light load is around 40% of maximum payload. Su-25 has max 4000kg. Light but effective load would be around 1500kg, i.e 4x 250kg bombs, or 4x S-24s, or 80 S-8s.


    Why would you send 4 Su-25s with 160 80mm rockets total instead of 2 much cheaper grads or tornado Gs with 80 122mm rockets with much higher range and accuracy? Why waste the :
    -fuel
    -airframe life
    -expensive consumables for ground maintenance
    and risk:
    -irreplaceable Su-25s getting shot down
    -crashes

    for something a grad can do?
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    Post  lyle6 Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:38 pm

    Light loadouts maximize the time the aircraft is on call. For CAS you need aircraft on station ready to provide fire support at a moment's notice. Now, not minutes away from forward airbases or waiting hours for slow moving artillery to reposition to within range. All the firepower doesn't really matter when your dudes are already dead before you enter the scene.
    Besides, how would troops on the ground even know if a particular aircraft is underarmed? As long as there's a hostile aircraft in the air you act with caution regardless.

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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:42 pm

    limb wrote:

    10 S-13s is not light. Its basically training load. Light load is around 40% of maximum payload. Su-25 has max 4000kg. Light but effective load would be around 1500kg, i.e 4x 250kg bombs, or 4x S-24s, or 80 S-8s.


    Why would you send 4 Su-25s with 160 80mm rockets total instead of 2 much cheaper grads or tornado Gs with 80 122mm rockets with much higher range and accuracy? Why waste the :
    -fuel
    -airframe life
    -expensive consumables for ground maintenance
    and risk:
    -irreplaceable Su-25s getting shot down
    -crashes

    for something a grad can do?

    Grads are extremely effective but they have a firing range of no more than 50km max. Su-25's are more flexible and have a much longer operational reach.

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    Post  limb Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:45 pm

    Mir wrote:
    limb wrote:

    10 S-13s is not light. Its basically training load. Light load is around 40% of maximum payload. Su-25 has max 4000kg. Light but effective load would be around 1500kg, i.e 4x 250kg bombs, or 4x S-24s, or 80 S-8s.


    Why would you send 4 Su-25s with 160 80mm rockets total instead of 2 much cheaper grads or tornado Gs with 80 122mm rockets with much higher range and accuracy? Why waste the :
    -fuel
    -airframe life
    -expensive consumables for ground maintenance
    and risk:
    -irreplaceable Su-25s getting shot down
    -crashes

    for something a grad can do?

    Grads are extremely effective but they have a firing range of no more than 50km max. Su-25's are more flexible and have a much longer operational reach.
    But Su-25s never do strikes deep behind enemy lines. They only shoot at the frontline, so that advantage is moot.

    Light loadouts maximize the time the aircraft is on call. For CAS you need aircraft on station ready to provide fire support at a moment's notice. Now, not minutes away from forward airbases or waiting hours for slow moving artillery to reposition to within range. All the firepower doesn't really matter when your dudes are already dead before you enter the scene.

    How do you know if Su-25s loiter? ALso they're quite slow, only moving at 200m/s and need to get quite close to have any kind of accuracy. Grads are everywhere. Russia has almost a thousand of them on the frontline.
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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:01 pm

    limb wrote:
    But Su-25s never do strikes deep behind enemy lines. They only shoot at the frontline, so that advantage is moot.

    They use both don't they? Artillery is the main weapon of choice therefor Grads will play a significant role anyway. Su-25's is just another means of striking the enemy. Grads might take some time to get into a firing position, or move from one position to another, but a Su-25 can cover a huge distance in a couple of minutes to deliver a strike.

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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:41 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 37 Img_2059
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    At the site of today's missile attacks in Odessa, decoy submunitions of the 9M723 OTRK Iskander-M air-ballistic missile were found. Such dummy targets emit radar and thermal radiation, which greatly complicates the work of Ukrainian air defence.
    https://t.me/theRightPeople1/5381?single

    It would be interesting if and how easy the muricans can update their systems to let their SAMs ignore such decoys and if this decoys exist with different "batches" emitting different frequency and infrared radiation.
    These decoys are made to look like the real thing (Iskander missile) on your enemies radar screen. There is nothing you can do about it.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:50 pm

    Generally in this type of war its a bad idea to move your troops outside of artillery coverage. 122mm 5-10 km behind front line, grads 20 km behind, Smerch 50-70 km and Iskander ready for emergencies. Ready jets within  200KM is ideal or loitering, before they land they take out their assigned targets and then are replaced by a new flight. Not sure where to put TOS1 as its vulnerable but such a useful tool to stop any assault cold. Maybe you move it up when guns are engaged and it delivers the death blow.
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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:54 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    The point is, that in the case of Russian-made weaponry, it does influence the price tag, while in the corrupted West does not.
    Russia is expecting an domestic electronics production boom at any moment, it is one of the main tasks given by Putin a while ago. Till then, there is no option other to use widely available parts that can be purchased from a variety of subcontractors.
    Point of Rusnano was exactly to create "electronics boom", as you put it. About 15 years later, two bankruptcies and billions of dollars siphoned out through paper companies they have almost nothing to show for.
    As for Rostec and that fat thief Chemezov, enough is to go back to Putin's remarks from few weeks ago.
    I wouldn't be surprised that Chemezov has a personal wealth of several hundred million $, if not more, while heading government owned entities.
    All deflections of US vs Russia are meaningless. Over 15 years are wasted along with billions of state money with very little to show for.
    I'll stay sceptical on "electronics boom" until proven wrong. First step would be to take Chemezov, with some people around him, out and bring new faces. Chances for that are extremely slim to none. I hope they won't be "starting investigations" only after they flee the country, like in case of Chubais. These changes are as important as winning a war in Ukraine, imo.

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    Post  calripson Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    The point is, that in the case of Russian-made weaponry, it does influence the price tag, while in the corrupted West does not.
    Russia is expecting an domestic electronics production boom at any moment, it is one of the main tasks given by Putin a while ago. Till then, there is no option other to use widely available parts that can be purchased from a variety of subcontractors.
    Point of Rusnano was exactly to create "electronics boom", as you put it. About 15 years later, two bankruptcies and billions of dollars siphoned out through paper companies they have almost nothing to show for.
    As for Rostec and that fat thief Chemezov, enough is to go back to Putin's remarks from few weeks ago.
    I wouldn't be surprised that Chemezov has a personal wealth of several hundred million $, if not more, while heading government owned entities.
    All  deflections of US vs Russia are meaningless. Over 15 years are wasted along with billions of state money with very little to show for.
    I'll stay sceptical on "electronics boom" until proven wrong. First step would be to take Chemezov, with some people around him, out and bring new faces. Chances for that are extremely slim to none. I hope they won't be "starting investigations" only after they flee the country, like in case of Chubais. These changes are as important as winning a war in Ukraine, imo.  

    The same could be said of Skolkovo - a billion dollar boondoggle to produce a Russian "Silicon Valley". They got the fancy campus correct right down to the onsite British School for the VIPs' kids. Amounted to a job program for unemployed scientists and engineers. Whatever intellectual property that was ever produced was quickly sold to the Chinese. The state grants didn't give the state any equity interest nor any say in what happened to the developed technology. That was all under Medvedev.


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