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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:17 am

    Force multipliers should bring any UA offence on halt like last 4636363 times. I doubt they will be able to hug Kherson without withering down. Their social media accounts literally post troop concentrations without much of OPSEC.

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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:20 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    limb wrote:

    How tf would Ukrainians score direct hits on SAM launchers with gps guided rockets without having a real time image feed of them? Theyre jot antiradiation missiles. This smells like BS. No way Ukrainians managed to send drones to give a live feed of the launchers.

    Or Ukrainian SSO behind the line does the job. Either way tho it's an unfortunate loss.  

    Well our Western media and twitter citizen friends will just promote their weapons.  Like.. when Moskva lost.. there were claims of Harpoon, Brimestone, Penguin and TB-2's sinking her also Neptune which more widely accepted.

    Possible copium, but /ourguys/ are posting images of some decoys that might have been the TELs that met their unfortunate end. Might explain the story a bit better. May have been intended to get some easy counter battery kills on those HIMARs.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:01 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:There are reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to break through in the south near the Ingulets River (border of Kherson and Dnepropetrovsk regions), serious battles are on.

    Also, as reported, after the failure of the offensive in the area of ​​Potemkino and Vysokopole, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are again trying to attack the positions of the RF Armed Forces, now in the area of ​​Belogorovka and Davydov Brod in the Krivoy Rog direction.

    #kherson

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    Battles raging in Kherson, General Staff should have seen these forces for a while

    They should have sent forces there

    On top of it the bridge was struck repeatedly

    If Ukrainians break through, It will be a disaster for General Staff

    Do they also take an Border pole with them this time to plant in some random field and claim they entered Russia?.

    This is again just desperate actions and propaganda by Kiev with no chance of succes.

    go send your ragtag bunch of non-trained conscripts forward into that territory dialed in by RF artillery for rapid defensive fire.
    With no meaningfull support or heavy armor of your own.
    The enemy has full control over the airspace.
    After your own Kiev Government advertises the operation to the entire world left and right for days.
    Forward positions manned by pissed off LPR/DPR/RF troops that got an city to defend behind them. knowing full well the consequences of letting Nazi's entering that city.

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    .....i am sure this operation will work out exactly as intended by Kiev.

    we will propably see a lot of crying ukrainian P.O.W's again on Telegram when they get captured by RF/LPR/DPR troops.

    Meanwhile, Kiev tries to get RF pilots to defect with their aircraft to Ukraine in exchange for money and EU citizenship in an NATO nation.
    It was seemingly the best "solution" for NATO and Kiev to get new aircraft at this moment?.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:58 am

    So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:37 am

    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.
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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:42 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    BUT you conveniently forget that this was done whilst NATzo provided 24/7 intel to the Ukrs.

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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:45 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    Yes, they will claim the same on the f16.net.



    : D

    It is better result that the USA airplanes could claim .
    When was the last time USA warplane had a win agains peer competitor aircraft   , inside a peer IADS?


    Because, you know, in Iraq the USA had a chance to beat the world top fighters, inside Iraq IADS . or not ?

    And you know, the F-22 did miracle agaisnt the Afgan air force, destroyed all fighers there ,from USA mainland : O.

    A single flight above Texas by a single F-22 , and no more Afgan air force.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:51 am

    Mir wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    BUT you conveniently forget that this was done whilst NATzo provided 24/7 intel to the Ukrs.


    Which doesn't mean anything in an air to air engagement....

    The SU-35 knew the planes where there and the Ukie planes knew the 35 was there
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:53 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:. there were claims of Harpoon, Brimestone, Penguin and TB-2's sinking her also Neptune which more widely accepted.


    You mean Neptune with his trident poking a hole in the hull (like a mine)? Shocked

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:54 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    Bro we have been listening to the same nonsense about f-15 fighters with awacs support knocking out second and third gen fighters.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:56 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    Yes, they will claim the same on the f16.net.



    : D

    It is better result that the USA airplanes could claim .
    When was the last time USA warplane had a win agains peer competitor aircraft   , inside a peer IADS?


    Because, you know, in Iraq the USA had a chance to beat the world top fighters, inside Iraq IADS . or not ?

    And you know, the F-22 did miracle agaisnt the Afgan air force, destroyed all fighers there ,from USA mainland : O.

    A single flight above Texas by a single F-22 , and no more Afgan air force.

    You can post all the silly BS you want really doesn't change anything love how fanboys get so butthurt the second their logic gets called out.

    If we are talking about plane vs plane regardless of the tech difference then you realize that argument favors the US and not Russia right.

    SU-35 was operating where it was far more advanced than its enemy and where it had better AD coverage and better trained pilots.

    I hope you realize the irony how hard you sound like a clueless USAF fanboy right now just replace US with Russia.

    Because going by merely kill death ratio US aircraft still better if we are using that logic which you fanboys are not me.

    Kill death ratio doesn't mean much if your against an inferior foe in all ways
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:58 am

    TMA1 wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net? Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f609

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    Bro we have been listening to the same nonsense about f-15 fighters with awacs support knocking out second and third gen fighters.

    and I've made the same criticisms to my own side as well.

    Only clueless fanboys who kill death ratio against an interior foes means anything.
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:58 am

    According to the authors of the bmpd blog (unofficial blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies), Russian air defense systems during the campaign in Ukraine demonstrate efficiency ABOVE the calculated, laid down in the design.
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4561126.html

    Thus, at the moment, Russia has the world's only deeply echeloned air defense/missile defense network, which has been tested in a real modern military conflict and confirmed its technical characteristics.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:03 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Which doesn't mean anything in an air to air engagement....

    The SU-35 knew the planes where there and the Ukie planes knew the 35 was there

    Wow! Somewhere in the 80's the Israelis claimed a 80 to zero kill rate against the Syrians just because they had better intel (AWACS).
    But I guess it doesn't mean a thing! Laughing

    NATzo do have all of that - just much better - and they also have satellites.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:04 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    How many NATO pilots have more than 10 confirmed aerial victories in a single military conflict?
    There are at least a few of them in Russia at the moment.

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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:33 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    You can post all the silly BS you want really doesn't change anything love how fanboys get so butthurt the second their logic gets called out.

    If we are talking about plane vs plane regardless of the tech difference then you realize that argument favors the US and not Russia right.

    SU-35 was operating where it was far more advanced than its enemy and where it had better AD coverage and better trained pilots.

    I hope you realize the irony how hard you sound like a clueless USAF fanboy right now just replace US with Russia.

    Because going by merely kill death ratio US aircraft still better if we are using that logic which you fanboys are not me.

    Kill death ratio doesn't mean much if your against an inferior foe in all ways

    Sour grape, mate , isn't it ? Smile

    Could you name the last time when the USA pulled this level or better air victory in the past 45 years ? Smile


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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:36 am

    Some observations :

    ( 1 )  All targets of HIMARS attacks , that can be sporadically moved in a random fashion , should be moved regularly . A Bridge can not be moved , but SAM can be moved . Therefore GPS guided BM , becomes useless . Moved every 10 minutes ! Time to locate by satellite , info given to ground and fired and reach target .

    ( 2 ) So Ukis want to take Kherson with 70 year old volunteers , after they destroyed the Bridge ? How will they supply troops ? Looks like command structure is busted !

    ( 3 ) The capability of aircraft , is determined by far more factors than simple classification of  " N- generation " . Such as pilot training and motivation and dispersion and location of aircraft spare parts and factories . The final comparison can take place after large scale battles .

    ( 4 ) A court for trial of war criminals can take place now , according to Geneva convention . China should participate as well as India and Iran and Syria .


    Edit : If it takes too long to move SAM and set up in New location , leaving area without cover , then use two or three SAM system in same area . At least one SAM at any one time is set up/ stationary , and covering , while other two are in motion .


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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:54 am

    This is like a movie.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:20 pm

    What’s there to uncover? UA spies being caught with money?


    They been trying to bribe Russian pilots from the beginning of this, with no luck
    https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/ukrainian-company-offers-1-million-to-russian-pilots-who-defect-with-fighters/

    This is a joke, trusting Ukrainian to hand you money? Who coul become a traitor and expect them to follow up Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21 - Page 20 1f602

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:21 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦❗An attempt to counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Kherson failed with heavy losses for Ukraine

    Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the administration, announced the collapse of the attempted counterattack on the Kherson region.

    “The other day, the Ukrainian Nazis made another failed attempt to attack the Kherson region. Their attempt to attack failed. Firstly, the Kherson region is a steppe, and any movement of the Ukrainian army ends in unsuccessful attacks. Secondly, all their attempts only lead to heavy losses in the ranks of the Ukrainian army. The Zelensky regime is just mindlessly throwing people to certain death,” he said.

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    The offensive ended badly for Ukraine

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    Post  Azi Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:41 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:If true thats highly ironic considering someone just said Himars isn't useful if AD is there
    The question is...

    Were it HIMARS missiles that hit the two S300 TELs?
    No question...the HIMARS system is very good. From all the trillions the USA pour into the MIC something good must come out ;D

    What pisses me a bit off is that some fanbois actually think that ALL western systems are overprized and shit...that's not true! On the other side western fanboism pisses me off because EVERY loss of the russian side is contributed to a kill for HIMARS, prior it was Bayraktar TB2.

    So was it HIMARS or BM-30?

    Overall, the Russian AD is good in this conflict, but they are not distributed as extensively as one would like. And I'm not sure, but you haven't seen state-of-the-art systems in the category here...have you? That surprises me, because it would be the opportunity to test it almost every day.
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    Post  Azi Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:42 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦❗An attempt to counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Kherson failed with heavy losses for Ukraine

    Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the administration, announced the collapse of the attempted counterattack on the Kherson region.

    “The other day, the Ukrainian Nazis made another failed attempt to attack the Kherson region.  Their attempt to attack failed.  Firstly, the Kherson region is a steppe, and any movement of the Ukrainian army ends in unsuccessful attacks.  Secondly, all their attempts only lead to heavy losses in the ranks of the Ukrainian army.  The Zelensky regime is just mindlessly throwing people to certain death,” he said.

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    The offensive ended badly for Ukraine
    Biggest fucking joke EVER in the last 10 years and western media buys it! pwnd lol!

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    Post  franco Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:53 pm

    Some interesting numbers in regards to internet language use. Kherson has always puzzled me as they have one of the lowest Russian speaking populations of the Novorossia oblasts but have always been, according to the Maidan people, one of the most active resisters to them.

    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1551500115923423233/photo/1

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:54 pm

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs


    1000,000 Dollars is a lot of money ! If Russian planes going to engage over unfriendly territory and likely to be shot down , then sensitive avionics can be destroyed by explosive at the same time as pilot eject or command sent from ground control or other emergency needing action in automatic fashion . Same as if pilot goes beyond operational parameter of geographic area .


    1000,000 Dollars is a lot of money ! LOL . A lot of money for GI - Jo , used to cheap wh**** , it will buy them 100,000 crab- ridden wh***res ! LOL .


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=md_WfmSYAuQ

    Edit : A plane and escort wingman can always be sent up together to fly in formation , to lend support .


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:01 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:So, at present, the Su-35S is the best fighter of the 21st century, having several dozen victories in aerial combat to its credit. At least one pilot has 12 confirmed victories, including one transport helicopter shot down at extremely low altitude.
    I wonder if they write about it on F16.net?

    Eh that's subjective it wasn't fighting ,modern aircraft but old soviet era versions in conditions that favored the SU-35

    This is the kind of clueless boosting that makes fanboys unbearable.

    This didn't stop folks from proclaiming F-15 to be the most successful fighter jet ever based in part on aerial kills against Serbian Airforce (which definitely used old Soviet era planes on a good day and just locally made trainers on average day)

    To say nothing of hilarious numerical advantage





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