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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:09 pm

    Probably they do not even dare to report that. Western media is getting haunted by reality now. The more lies they spread, the more likely they loose their audience, when the truth becomes evident. That is why they are slowly admitting things for damage control before they loose too much credibility.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:20 pm

    Mir wrote " Auschwitz II? " Well it looks like the Orcs are ready to withdraw from Donetsk , and they have a scorched Earth policy : first they kill the Azov POW , to deny the Russians the opportunity of prisoner exchange , then they forcibly want to move civilians out " because heating is easily provided further West ! " Obviously this is an attempt to move their civilian Russian hostages further West to save their own neck ! But I doubt , they will be able to move hundreds of thousands or millions . They are simply too disorganised for that . Perhaps they will take with them a few thousand at most .

    Looks like the concrete Bunkers could not provide safety from the heavy mortars ? Then why do they think that they will be any safer in the open ? Desperate tactics justified under pretext of " ...heating for civilians ... " At least if they manage to deport the entire population in Donetsk under their control , then Russia could finally use heavy bombardment against any remaining Orc troops . But I doubt any will remain soon .

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:35 pm

    Maybe they want to video for PR streams of civilian refugees fleeing west along the roads to avoid the raping robbing evil Russian Army. As filmed in WW2 with the German Army and replayed ever since. Once its in the can they will be left to their own devices.

    More likely perhaps it will be used as cover for the retreating, sorry repositioning, Ukrainian Army units that are supposed to be among their best.

    Plus getting rid of all the civilian spies feeding targets to the Russians.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like Colonel Summer is determined to get a medal like General Winter did last year. It looks increasingly likely that all barge traffic will have to stop, as it did in 2018.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/rhine-levels-germany-forecast-drop-lower-barges-reduce-cargo
    New initiative: piss in the Rhine to beat Putin! Razz

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    Post  Regular Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:49 pm

    Civilians relaying UA coordinates to Russians is most likely another paranoid delusion. Reasons why I think this:

    Pro-Russian civilians are keeping their head down like they all 8 years ago. It’s too dangerous to even make a squeak.
    There are no phone lines to call to relay information nor military has time to trust it 100%
    Plenty of human/tactical and strategic intel gathered, last thing you want to do is to shell a civilian target because SBU disinformation.

    This type of thinking that there are traitors everywhere in the east shows lack of trust in your own cause.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:...Whatever the case, and whatever anyone thinks of all of this, I decided to go down there to try to help everyday people that had their lives fucked up by this all. Awaiting a green light from the authorities (it's tricky).

    Watch yourself and remember: real war is nothing like how it looks on TV or Internet, it's dead serious business




    I had humanitarian work in mind, absolutely not touching anything else.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:30 pm

    The inevitable happened, poetic justice.

    But its not related to the grain shipping deal as in the trilateral safety documents only Odessa, Chornomorsk and Pivdenny are covered.

    According to [National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev], the vessel of the hydrographic service of Ukraine was blown up by a Ukrainian drifting mine on Thursday "when measuring the depths of the fairway at the mouth of the Danube River."

    In six ports (Kherson, Nikolaev, Chernomorsk, Ochakov, Odessa and Yuzhny), 70 foreign ships from 16 states remain blocked. The threat of shelling and the high mine danger created by official Kyiv do not allow ships to go to the open sea without hindrance,” Mizintsev said

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:03 pm

    The Ukr frenzy to mine the ports was retarded. Their problem is a land invasion and not an invasion by sea. These mines have
    done precisely nothing to stop Russia's campaign and instead have terrorized civilian shipping. Sums up the Kiev regime's essence.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:40 pm

    Interesting short article

    Overhyped, Overpriced Or Both? Russia Hammers HIMARS MLRS Systems That Ukraine Touted As S-400 Killer

    https://eurasiantimes.com/himars-is-the-third-weapons-platform-along-with-the-javelin-m777/?amp

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:42 pm

    Another article

    Russia Expects to Apply Unmanned An-2 Civilian Aircraft to Detect Ukraine’s Air-Defense Location

    https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/russia_expects_to_apply_unmanned_an_2_civilian_aircraft_to_detect_ukraines_air_defense_location-3732.html

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:47 pm

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:57 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Another article

    Russia Expects to Apply Unmanned An-2 Civilian Aircraft to Detect Ukraine’s Air-Defense Location

    https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/russia_expects_to_apply_unmanned_an_2_civilian_aircraft_to_detect_ukraines_air_defense_location-3732.html
    No need to use good, ol´ An-2 for that. Russia got a lot of target drones to do this much better.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:58 pm

    kvs wrote:The Ukr frenzy to mine the ports was retarded.   Their problem is a land invasion and not an invasion by sea.   These mines have
    done precisely nothing to stop Russia's campaign and instead have terrorized civilian shipping.   Sums up the Kiev regime's essence.
    When the Russians are coming from the sea they won´t use a harbor to bring in troops but a location away from urban centers.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:01 pm

    Nomadski wrote: ...heating for civilians ... 

    What the Ze regime meant was that they need civilians for heating.  Suspect

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Those plastic butterfly mines they used in Afghanistan... launched by rocket or delivered by helicopter or aircraft, they contain a liquid explosive... when they are launched the mines are frozen... once they thaw out the liquid explosive becomes dangerous and will explode at a touch.

    The western reporters came across a Muj with a big hole in his forehead and worked out he had been throwing stones at the mines to set them off before he tried walking through an area that had been seeded with them... one of the mines he hit just right and the explosion blew the stone right back at him at high speed and penetrated his forehead and killed him on the spot...



    If they are that sensitive will loud sounds with high base tones set them off?

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:06 pm



    Or .......a  jack - hammer  up the Road ! LOL . Or as French say " jhak- hammer ! " Obviously




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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:31 pm

    Hole wrote:How will western media try to spin this...?  scratch

    Easily.
    Evil Russkies took them hostage and forced to get back.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:Those plastic butterfly mines they used in Afghanistan...

    I remember that the US media was accusing the Soviets of making bombs shaped like "childrens toys", and thereby invoked the "Evil Russians" meme. It turns out that these are what the presstitites were referring to. It really takes some imagination (or just plain old fashioned dishonesty) to say they looks like "toys"...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:35 pm

    No-one is immune, clearly his house was a target.

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    Ukrainian millionaire agricultural magnate, Oleksiy Vadatursky, was killed today after a Russian missile strike hit his villa in Mykolaiv.

    Vadatursky was the owner Nibulon, one of the county's largest agricultural companies, specialising in the production and export of wheat.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:43 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Those plastic butterfly mines they used in Afghanistan...

    I remember that the US media was accusing the Soviets of making bombs shaped like "childrens toys", and thereby invoked the "Evil Russians" meme.  It turns out that these are what the presstitites were referring to.  It really takes some imagination (or just plain old fashioned dishonesty) to say they looks like "toys"...

    What's funny is that they are essentially copies of the BLU-43/44 mines that the U.S. dropped on Vietnam.

    So that whole "evil Russians" thing was a bit of an own goal back then.

    No, they aren't designed to look like toys, they're designed to disperse similarly to linden seeds. Still an awful weapon on its own, though, but the whole toy thing was invented for the press.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No-one is immune, clearly his house was a target.

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    Ukrainian millionaire agricultural magnate, Oleksiy Vadatursky, was killed today after a Russian missile strike hit his villa in Mykolaiv.

    Vadatursky was the owner Nibulon, one of the county's largest agricultural companies, specialising in the production and export of wheat.

    This is what we can call "asymmetric" Twisted Evil

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:40 pm

    Sure it were the Russians who hit him? There was news that 60% of the agricultural land in the fake state was bought by american oligarchs. I mean... maybe he was in the way to someone and the "missile strike" is just a cover?  Suspect

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:03 pm

    Hole wrote:Sure it were the Russians who hit him? There was news that 60% of the agricultural land in the fake state was bought by american oligarchs. I mean... maybe he was in the way to someone and the "missile strike" is just a cover?  Suspect

    In the current propaganda hysteria climate no claims can be taken at face value.


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:04 pm

    There does appear to be a major crank up in Russian activity in the SW with the Ukrainians expecting a major strike in days.

    Just a guess but as most of the fighting in the rest of Ukraine is positional and as Ukraine knew Kherson is an obvious place to strike, then given its strategic importance I would expect every available tank, APC and SPG on both sides to be there, if they have the fuel.

    Lose this battle and its effectively all over, the impact on morale in the rest of Ukraine and probably NATO would be considerable. Russia could then, for want of a better word, mop up all the way to the Polish border. A lot of eyes will be watching this unfold whilst taking notes.

    This is why the Russians are pushing so hard even with suspect logistics over the two damaged bridges. No doubt if they have to they will airlift supplies in with an Il-76 shuttle service.

    If Putin's words along the lines of 'you haven't seen anything yet' mean anything then we could be about to see just what he meant as this seems to me to be the time and place to unleash the bear and scare the shit out of NATO.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:06 pm

    I would not call it pushing hard. Russia is showing the western posers what fighting a war entails. In fact, Russia has dialed down
    the intensity of its campaign from day one and is fighting a war against the biggest and I would say most powerful military outside of its
    own in Europe with an expeditionary force.

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