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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:48 pm

    Regular wrote:
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    Nothing serious? This time it is serious and won't be repaired until UA artillery is in the range. You don't need to bring the bridge down for it to be non-functional. I bet Ukrainians will still attack it after day or two.
    Pontoons and barges will be used.

    As long as the piers are intact collapsed spans are not an issue. Metal prefab spans can be assembled onsite and emplaced in less than 2 hours.

    On Lancasters video about the bridge - official said they are waiting engineers from Moscow to check this. It was after the first attack. No one will do any fixing, Ukraine will most likely hit it again. There were pictures of barges already, good luck for Ukrainians hitting them.

    They need to bring an artillery radar locate the launch position and send a su-25 to destroy them. If they see no one that means they are hiding in the area of the launch so they can just destroy the big building where an himars can be parked like farms or big garages.


    They counter artillery radars need a fucking upgrade. Ukrainians are much better at this. Plenty of videis showing destruction of russian mortar positions or Msta's.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:55 pm

    As usual people assume that the Russian army is staffed by total drooling idiots.

    This is highly unlikely. But forum "experts" are highly likely to be uninformed.

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Jul 27, 2022 2:57 pm

    Hole wrote:
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    zorobabel wrote:The Antonovsky Bridge is getting hammered again tonight, probably by HIMARS.
    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1552048505396543489

    I'll wait and see before making any assumptions.  HIMARS is nothing special, so I don't see why Russian AD can't adequately protect the structure.

    According to one Serbian analysts/journalists/whatever he is told by people on the ground that they don't bother with intercepting attacks on bridges because cost of missiles expended for interception is much higher than cost of fixing the damage to the bridge (or just using pontoons if it does go down)





    If the need ever arises the Russian Army can build 5 or even 10 pontoon bridges to fix the problem.
    They're not going to build a pontoon bridge across the mouth of the Dnipro.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:11 pm

    Su-25s doing what they do best

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:17 pm

    According to RT DE an ammunition depot with 100 HIMARS missile and 120 staff members including specialists have been destroyed in Dnepropetrowsk region. That sounds like a relatively big blow to me.

    Edit: RT international is also reporting about this. So it really was a significant strike.


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:18 pm

    Bridge update for our Russian speakers. Supports intact.

    Plus a nice (old) picture, that shows just how tough it would be to put a pontoon bridge across, especially with a HIMARS within 50 miles.





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    This is my assessment of the road bridges in the Kherson area.

    Blue = operational
    Yellow = Unfit for for trucks and heavy equipment / Damaged
    Red= Not fit for any kind of traffic.


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    The office of the President of Ukraine, as part of the counteroffensive on Kherson, is ready to destroy the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and the consequences of this decision, which will cause an environmental disaster and flooding of the Kherson region.


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:28 pm

    Strange decision to release this video, but it seems that any target is OK if its to show their sponsors that the weapons work.

    That they have to hit civilians rather than military kind off shows the opposite.


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:42 pm

    My highlight. Hope they don't expect to take delivery or expect the same deal from the new landowners, the people of Ukraine's republics. No doubt the cash paid, if any yet and then for an option to buy, is safe in a western bank.

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    It turns out that three large multinational companies Cargill, DuPont and Monsanto have already bought 17 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land.

    This is more than 60% of the total agricultural land in Ukraine.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:48 pm

    I counted 8 hits on Bridge , therefore likely two truck loads of Himars , each with six missiles fired , or twelve Rockets ( 70% destroyed ) . Likely one truck load of S300 or four to six SAM was fired . With 100% ( four fired ) or 70% ( six fired ) success rate . Cost per Himars is 3 million USD and cost per S300 SAM is 1 million USD . Therefore likely 4-6 million USD was spent to take out 12 million USD ! Now supposing Bridge has to be repaired at what cost ........


    Iyle6 wrote " As long as the piers are intact collapsed spans are not an issue. Metal prefab spans can be assembled onsite and emplaced in less than 2 hours. " disagree - it is more correct to say " as long as Himars firing on Bridges across Dnieper , then Ukraine handed East to Russia ! Also Odessa must be taken by marine invasion from Sea ! Good , a land invasion would be more costly for Russia . Russia controls the Sea !


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:57 pm

    nomadski wrote:


    I counted 8 hits on Bridge , therefore likely two truck loads of Himars , each with six missiles fired , or twelve Rockets ( 70% destroyed ) . Likely one truck load of S300 or four to six SAM was fired . With 100% ( four fired ) or 70% ( six fired ) success rate . Cost per Himars is 3 million USD and cost per S300 SAM is 1 million USD . Therefore likely 4-6 million USD was spent to take out 12 million USD ! Now supposing Bridge has to be repaired at what cost ........

    Why the assumption of S-300 and not Tor or Pantsir?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 27, 2022 4:16 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇺🇦🇷🇺 Arestovich denied his own statement yesterday about the encirclement of Russian troops in the north of the Kherson region
    The day before, he said that more than a thousand Russians are in a tactical encirclement in the village of Vysokopole and will soon be defeated.  Naturally, all this turned out to be complete nonsense.
    “Our people there are not quite successful and experience a certain lack of strength to close this story,” Arestovich is forced to admit, “Not everything there is favorable for ours.”
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    So no kherson offensive?

    Still, a day or two after he denied that, the story was aired in the Polish shitstream as a legitimate one and never corrected.
    Russkies are in a pouch, lost 1k soldiers, Ukraine is winning.
    Dot.
    This is an alternative universe they are creating for their own purposes.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:49 pm

    Cute seeing Schroder being sent as a messanger boy to the Kremlin. The kicker is, the Germans send him cause they've made the correct calculated assessment that he can potentially get Russians to stupidly continue to supply Germany with gas... anything > 0 (being a win), while Russia gets nothing in return, except empty words from a corrupt statesman about "being forced", and "everything will get better if". Germany ain't flipping, no matter how much the Kremlin dreams of the day. Nor can that satellite change the sanctions regime by itself, nor will they, even if the Germans wanted, be able to pose a challenge of wills against the U.S before being slapped down and into place. They're an occupied country for a reason. There is only one thing that is going to revolutionize Europe, the European Union collapse. And Germany will go to war if need be to protect it. If the job is too tough for the Kremlin, then, something will give on the other end. After that little speech by Schultz, which read like a declaration of war, after 1990, and all the lies and deceit you would think Russia wouldn't want anything to do with the German elite, but here they're still, mingling like fools, playing a fake "factions" game, where Russia always ends up cozzing up to the losing side (what a coincidence  lol1 ). That's one thing, thank god, the Chinese don't have to worry about - a culturally captive (compromised) elite.

    The Americans will double down to the last Ukranian and last European, and there is little Russia can do about it. The rotten elite in Russia who would gladly wave the white flag right now are truly a cancer within and the empire is definitely betting on malaise. That's one thing the empire doesn't have to worry about on the home front (feckless, weak, Russia sympathizing elites).

    Seems like Seversk-Bakhmut line is holding...  was supposed to collapse about a week or two ago on the ensuing "rout"... lol1

    Feckless fools. Anything that's supposed to imminently collapse any day, by rule of thumb, add about 3 weeks extra least. Propaganda is a helluva drug.

    Vogue photo shoots are just an extension of the propaganda war which does exactly what it's meant to do. It's the air of impunity. Breath it. Don't be surprised if Zelenska gets on a plane to Moscow, and gets a photoshoot in front of the Kremlin while waving the middle finger. After all, she's not on any Russian sanctions list.... boy knows it would serve the "smart" idiots right... what's a bit more embarrassment to do right? Once folks get used to bullying effects, there is no snap-back reaction to pride stimuli (the fake "brush it off" effect).

    As for dove boy Lavrov's regime change comments... lol1 This is perhaps the costliest regime change op I've ever seen on someone's backyard (former territory). Usually you start at the top, or make the top a priority at the very least. Someone must have stolen the regime manual of the KGB days. That, or the loss of capabilities over time for the SVR are massive.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:04 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Cute seeing Schroder being sent as a messanger boy to the Kremlin.
    As for dove boy Lavrov's regime change comments... lol1 This is perhaps the costliest regime change op I've ever seen on someone's backyard (former territory). Usually you start at the top, or make the top a priority at the very least. Someone must have stolen the regime manual of the KGB days. That, or the loss of capabilities over time for the SVR are massive.

    Appart from showing signs of verbal diarrhea, what is your point ?

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:06 pm

    We'll, very likely, see Iranian drones in action very soon.
    https://t.me/vestiru24/37818
    Russia and Iran signed an agreement on the supply of aircraft equipment. The document provides for the transfer of parts for Iranian-made aircraft to Russia. In addition, specialists can provide aircraft repair and support in Iranian service centers.
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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:15 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Cute seeing Schroder being sent as a messanger boy to the Kremlin.
    As for dove boy Lavrov's regime change comments... lol1 This is perhaps the costliest regime change op I've ever seen on someone's backyard (former territory). Usually you start at the top, or make the top a priority at the very least. Someone must have stolen the regime manual of the KGB days. That, or the loss of capabilities over time for the SVR are massive.

    Appart from showing signs of verbal diarrhea, what is your point ?

    It's a bad case of Copium Wink

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:27 pm

    Atla's I hope you haven't read to many posts by Vann, as your writing style has astounding similarities with his ridiculous amount of smiles and a visible urge to help us lower forms of life to evolve from our intellectual primordial soup.

    And you well damn know a Regime change doesn't work if the rot has already set in several years ago. The rot has not just infested the head but the entire body. Russia is doing not just an open heart operation but on top of that the first head transplantation in human history.
    I don't know any other civilization in history which was subject of divide and conquer tactics, which successfully split up one nation and nationality into three to kill each other and they managed to overcome this artificial divide. Russia has a very hard task in front of her and despite that constantly new emerging and brewing problems by our eternal enemies, but of course once Vanninism has infested a mind it is as hard to cure as Hoholism.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:30 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:We'll, very likely, see Iranian drones in action very soon.
    https://t.me/vestiru24/37818
    Russia and Iran signed an agreement on the supply of aircraft equipment.  The document provides for the transfer of parts for Iranian-made aircraft to Russia.  In addition, specialists can provide aircraft repair and support in Iranian service centers.

    I doubt this a lot.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    I doubt this a lot.
    What else can it be in your opinion?
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:45 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    I doubt this a lot.
    What else can it be in your opinion?

    Nothing but missreporting on false news as seen dozens if not hundreds of times especially from vesti and other really terrible news agencies. Remember their mishandling of reporting on journalists in Ukraine which could have caused lives of people.

    Unless we see the contract like previously, then I'll believe it. Otherwise, it's run on rumors as usual.

    Most of us stand by that there is nothing Iran can offer. As someone else said, their drones are mostly knockoffs from captured drones and Iran isn't known for airforce and aircraft development.  Russia already has Orion drone and a new factory working overtime for it, and they can easily repurpose for observation and not necessarily just strike.  It would be an absolute overlapping of capabilities and a logistical nightmare which Russia isn't known for.

    Only thing I can imagine is for testing purposes only. They already make their own version of forepost as is in Russia.

    It's more like Iran actually needs Russian fighter jets because their shit is nearly falling apart.

    So until we actually get evidence and official confirmation, then we can know if it's true or not. Telegram posts and alike is all shit unless verified and backed up.

    All sources come from same people - US intelligence. Remember, same guys who lied about everything else. Russia running out of weapons, China providing weapons, Russia losing ground and the war, etc etc etc.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:55 pm

    Today in clown world:

    "The Russians are advancing because they simply don't know what to do. They don't have a defense strategy" Arestovich

    respekt

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:59 pm

    LMFS wrote:Today in  clown  world:

    "The Russians are advancing because they simply don't know what to do. They don't have a defense strategy" Arestovich

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    They are winning by mistake those dumb russians. lol1

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:09 pm

    The Russians loosing so badly they have to advance, leaving killed Nazis behind. This is like western economic "specialists" calling a recession negative growthLaughing Laughing


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    Post  11E Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:10 pm

    LMFS wrote:Today in  clown  world:

    "The Russians are advancing because they simply don't know what to do. They don't have a defense strategy" Arestovich

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    Sounds like an excellent plan to me, bring the war to the adversary country and not on your own soil. Piss in the hall of his parliament and declare the war won.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    Nothing but missreporting on false news as seen dozens if not hundreds of times especially from vesti and other really terrible news agencies. Remember their mishandling of reporting on journalists in Ukraine which could have caused lives of people.

    Unless we see the contract like previously, then I'll believe it. Otherwise, it's run on rumors as usual.

    Most of us stand by that there is nothing Iran can offer. As someone else said, their drones are mostly knockoffs from captured drones and Iran isn't known for airforce and aircraft development.  Russia already has Orion drone and a new factory working overtime for it, and they can easily repurpose for observation and not necessarily just strike.  It would be an absolute overlapping of capabilities and a logistical nightmare which Russia isn't known for.

    Only thing I can imagine is for testing purposes only. They already make their own version of forepost as is in Russia.

    It's more like Iran actually needs Russian fighter jets because their shit is nearly falling apart.

    So until we actually get evidence and official confirmation, then we can know if it's true or not. Telegram posts and alike is all shit unless verified and backed up.

    All sources come from same people - US intelligence.  Remember, same guys who lied about everything else. Russia running out of weapons, China providing weapons, Russia losing ground and the war, etc etc etc.
    I agree that they don't bring anything new. I am seeing this as a quick fix until Russia ramps up their own production. To plug the holes.

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