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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:22 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:As an American, allow me to be very cynical and disgusted by my country.  I don't think its Crimean Bridge.  Yes, they might attempt an attack on it.  My guess is that there is going to be some sort of chemical or biological weapon used in Kiev and Odessa and Russia is going to be blamed for it.  Why? Simple, it would follow the pattern we saw in Syria where every single time Assad almost got us to leave he would invariably "use a chemical weapon" or other "prohibited ordinance."  The jackoffs in Washington want escalation in this, but they need to sell it.  Crimean Bridge would upset Russians, but most Americans wouldn't care.  Staging a chemical weapon attack in Kiev or Odessa and blaming Russia for it? That would fire up the rage machine and the 24/7 news cycle and social media would run with that story until the dream of American forces in Ukraine and a shooting war with the bad ole Rooskies came to fruition.  The worst part? I'd have to hear Toby Keith and Lee Greenwood again, and I really don't want that.  Yes, even worse than the nuclear exchange would be having to endure Toby Keith and Lee Greenwood's "music."

    I'm not so sure, due to the blowback risk - ie other serious nations like China, India etc and the rest of global South seeing thru the obvious nonsense and realizing that the US is conducting bio-chem attacks.  The loss of international prestige would be catastrophic, especially at a time when global geopolitics and the power balance is shifting inexorably towards a multi-polar system where the West cannot so easily use its media machine to hide inconvenient truths and silence all dissent.  Much of the US and Eurotrash populations will probably get it as well, even if their respective media whores will obediently leap onto their Clients cocks and stat to ride them for all they are worth...

    In any case, how will the US "escalate"?  Despite the bravado and trash-talking, the professionals in the pentagon want absolutely nothing to do with any expeditionary force being sent into Ukraine to fight Russians.   There is only one way that ends, and it means kissing your 401(k) goodbye since you won't be around to collect a dime of it...

    While there are plenty of unhinged whackjobs in the neocon ranks who would sell their souls for a chance to smear Russia with a false-fag using bio-chem weapons, I think the (few) adults in the beltway will manage to constrain the neocon fukwitz and their fellow travelers. The potential for disaster is just so immense.

    I hope you are right, but the US Media is full of crap, and I mean more so than normal, about how we can wage and win a nuclear war. When i see New York City telling people what to do in the event of a nuclear war I get a chill up by spine that makes me want to know just what the policy makers in this country are planning that would result in New York getting hit by a nuke. I mean it could be fear mongering, and I hope it is, but you never know.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:39 pm

    Isos wrote:It's already a war... stop being dumb.

    Stop being dumb yourself, if they would want the full war package they would have declared war to Russia, which they didn't. Because it would mean utter destruction of the country and their leadership on the spot, closure of gas transit etc etc etc. Ze and the rest of 404 leadership should thread carefully the path of ramping tensions with Russia or the carrot part of them serving US interests will very fast turn into being torn to tiny bits by a Russian missile, in the best case. The idiots think they should only fear retaliation by CIA and their nazi goons, but they are DEAD WRONG

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    Post  Erk Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:43 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well, it's a war. The Crimean bridge is a legitimate target.

    It's Russian territory, that would be an act of war and entitle Russia to escalate it's special operation to an outright war against Ukraine.


    It's already a war... stop being dumb.
    Not in Putin's legal trained mind, he has warned Ukraine if it becomes a war, it will escalate.
    In Putin's speech a week or two ago he said "we haven't really started yet"

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More on the Vinnitsa cruise missile attack

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/23396

    The blow to the house of officers in Vinnitsa was delivered at the moment of the meeting of buyers and sellers of Western weapons.

    ❗Information appeared that the seller was 3 employees of MI6 and one employee of the French military intelligence, and the buyers were from Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine and Bahrain.

    The host country was represented by intelligence officers of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, close to the head of the department, Kirill Budanov.

    Buyers entered through the Chisinau airport from Bucharest and Warsaw, then by land road transport with the support of the official Moldovan authorities to the border.

    ❗At the time of the missile strike, 36 people were negotiating, 23 of whom died immediately, the rest are in critical condition and, most likely, will not live.

    2 out of 3 cruise missiles hit right on target, one was partially destroyed at extremely low altitude by Ukrainian air defense, after which it fell on the city center in five parts, including killing civilians. This is certainly very sad. However, the decision to shoot down missiles on approach to the target was made by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, accurately understanding the prospects for such a decision. The satellite constellation of the United States and Great Britain captures the contrail from the anti-missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and has accurate data of objective control.


    EDIT: After the attack showing a hit on each wing.

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    Wouldn't it be more effective/safe to do a negotiation via Zoom? LOL

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:23 pm

    I doubt any of this had anything to do with any Palestine, Lebanon, whatever

    The Ukrainians would not have gathered so many high-profile targets in one place over that, for a physical meeting, with some Western intelligence representatives there for some reason as well

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:23 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:

    Wouldn't it be more effective/safe to do a negotiation via Zoom? LOL

    Probably all kinds of side deals for cash going down so definitely not, unless you want everything said to be stored in a data warehouse in Utah.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:31 pm

    Some high rank Ukrainian Airforce officers died in Vinnitsa. We have 2 confirmed by Ukrainians. First one is a colonel.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:37 pm

    Another M777 gone:

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:49 pm

    https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/el-jefe-militar-de-gran-bretana-desmiente-los-rumores-sobre-la-salud-de-putin-son-ilusiones-nid17072022/

    Britain's military chief denies rumors about Putin's health: "They are wishful thinking"
    In an interview with the BBC, Admiral Tony Radakin said the Russian challenge could last for decades.

    “As military professionals, we see a relatively stable regime in Russia. President Putin has been able to crush any opposition...and none of those at the top [of power] have the heart to challenge President Putin,” Radakin added.

    Imagine a Putin living hundreds of years. Very Happy

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:55 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/el-jefe-militar-de-gran-bretana-desmiente-los-rumores-sobre-la-salud-de-putin-son-ilusiones-nid17072022/

    Britain's military chief denies rumors about Putin's health: "They are wishful thinking"
    In an interview with the BBC, Admiral Tony Radakin said the Russian challenge could last for decades.

    “As military professionals, we see a relatively stable regime in Russia. President Putin has been able to crush any opposition...and none of those at the top [of power] have the heart to challenge President Putin,” Radakin added.

    Imagine a Putin living hundreds of years. Very Happy

    La Nación no es una flor que se huela. La Nación newspaper Is not a flower for smelling according to the Portuguese saying.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:06 pm

    In Russia it's still penalized to call it a war

    Several bloggers tried it and got hit with sanctions

    The day it is called a war, the BTG numbers will be 500+

    Cus every man is getting a uniform and rifle

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:42 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:Another HIMARS and another M 777 was captured within the last 24 hours.

    This should explain why NATO has not send Patriot SAM to Ukraine.
    It hasn´t been send because its performance is poor. Which is an understatement.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:43 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/el-jefe-militar-de-gran-bretana-desmiente-los-rumores-sobre-la-salud-de-putin-son-ilusiones-nid17072022/

    Britain's military chief denies rumors about Putin's health: "They are wishful thinking"
    In an interview with the BBC, Admiral Tony Radakin said the Russian challenge could last for decades.

    “As military professionals, we see a relatively stable regime in Russia. President Putin has been able to crush any opposition...and none of those at the top [of power] have the heart to challenge President Putin,” Radakin added.

    Imagine a Putin living hundreds of years. Very Happy
    Well, the russian government and political system is much more stable then the british one, that´s for sure. And Putin didn´t crush the opposition, he is elected by the people and has their full support.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:44 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:More on the Vinnitsa cruise missile attack

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/23396

    The blow to the house of officers in Vinnitsa was delivered at the moment of the meeting of buyers and sellers of Western weapons.

    ❗Information appeared that the seller was 3 employees of MI6 and one employee of the French military intelligence, and the buyers were from Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine and Bahrain.

    The host country was represented by intelligence officers of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, close to the head of the department, Kirill Budanov.

    Buyers entered through the Chisinau airport from Bucharest and Warsaw, then by land road transport with the support of the official Moldovan authorities to the border.

    ❗At the time of the missile strike, 36 people were negotiating, 23 of whom died immediately, the rest are in critical condition and, most likely, will not live.

    2 out of 3 cruise missiles hit right on target, one was partially destroyed at extremely low altitude by Ukrainian air defense, after which it fell on the city center in five parts, including killing civilians. This is certainly very sad. However, the decision to shoot down missiles on approach to the target was made by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, accurately understanding the prospects for such a decision. The satellite constellation of the United States and Great Britain captures the contrail from the anti-missiles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and has accurate data of objective control.


    EDIT: After the attack showing a hit on each wing.

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    Wouldn't it be more effective/safe to do a negotiation via Zoom? LOL

    They violated the Corona rules. Russia had to react to this.  Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:46 pm

    https://sonar21.com/operation-z-dont-interrupt/
    thumbsup

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/why-the-west-has-failed/
    Fukuyama gets hammered.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:42 pm

    Wrecked Crab this time

    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1548754251475730432?t=iDo8b32ppVOwuV0KwbO1iA&s=19

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:59 pm

    I can't remember today's report being posted.

    EDIT: Comment made by a MoA poster on this report. "This really stands out. The 10th mountain is a very elite NATO integrated brigade. That Kiev is now attaching Volksturm (the104th territorial) to elite brigades such as the 10th mountain signals (perhaps) complete chaos within the Kiev ground forces."

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (17072022)


    As a result of high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces at the temporary deployment point of the 92nd mechanized brigade in the city of Chuguev, Kharkiv region, up to 200 personnel of the 2nd and 3rd battalions of the compound, as well as more than ten armored vehicles, were destroyed.

    Against the background of significant losses in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, cases of desertion are increasing.

    Thus, the rifle company of the 58th battalion of the 104th separate Territorial Defense Brigade, which was under the operational subordination of the commander of the 108th battalion of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, in the area of the Verkhnekamenskoye settlement of the Donetsk People's Republic, left its positions in full force, departing in an unknown direction.

    High-precision long-range air-based missiles in one of the buildings of an industrial enterprise in the city of Odessa destroyed the storage warehouse of anti-ship missiles "Harpoon", transferred to Ukraine by NATO countries.

    In the area of the settlement of Krasnoarmeysk of the Donetsk People's Republic, a high-precision ground-based weapon destroyed a launcher and a transport loading vehicle of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system, manufactured by the United States.

    As a result of the strike on the deployment point of the 97th battalion of the 60th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Novodanilovka, Zaporozhye region, up to 65 nationalists and over 10 units of special vehicles were destroyed.

    In addition, high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed during the day:

    Four control points, including the battalion of the 59th Motorized Infantry Brigade in the area of Zeleny Gai of the Mykolaiv region and the 242nd battalion of the 241st Territorial Defense Brigade in the area of Dergachi of the Kharkiv region,

    six ammunition depots in the areas of the settlements of Bondarnoye and Vasyukovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Malinovka of the Zaporozhye region, Chervonoye of the Sumy region,

    as well as military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and manpower in 19 districts, including foreign mercenaries in four temporary locations in the districts of Konstantinovka, Kharkiv region and Dzerzhinsk, Donetsk People's Republic.

    As part of the counter-battery struggle, a platoon of multiple rocket launchers, nine artillery platoons of Hyacinth-B howitzers and D-30 guns were destroyed in the areas of Verkhnekamenskoye, Serebryanka, Bondarnoye, Dronovka and Zvanovka settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as artillery units in firing positions in 107 districts.

    Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have been hit during the day: 21 control points, manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 189 districts.

    Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian Mi-17 helicopter in the air near Slavyansk, Donetsk People's Republic.

    Russian air defense means destroyed one Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in the area of Velikaya Kamyshevakha, Kharkiv region, and one Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle in the area of the settlement of Bolshye Prokhody, Kharkiv region.

    In addition, a Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile was intercepted in the area of the settlement of Dmitrenko, Kherson region, and eight shells of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "HIMARS" were intercepted in the districts of Izyum, Kharkiv region, Tavria, Zaporozhye region and Alchevsk, Luhansk People's Republic.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 257 aircraft, 140 helicopters, 1558 unmanned aerial vehicles, 355 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4084 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 747 multiple rocket launchers, 3151 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 4379 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:27 pm

    https://t.me/asbmil/3068

    Fighting has been reported in the Kursk border with Pukraine, Im not sure if its on the Ukro side or inside Kursk territory, if in the latter, then this is a serious escalation by the UkroNazis
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    Post  Kiko Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:36 pm

    Volodymyr Zelensky must be ultimately tried Nuremberg style as a war criminal and for crimes against humanity.

    Zelensky dismissed the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and the head of the SBU, 17.07.2022.

    Zelensky removes Venediktova and head of the SBU Bakanov from their posts as Prosecutor General of Ukraine.

    President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has dismissed Prosecutor General Irina Venediktova and Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov from their positions, the Strana.ua portal reported, citing relevant decrees.

    As stated in the documents, the President removed Bakanov in accordance with Article 47 of the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine . The resignation of Venediktova took place in accordance with part 2 of article 11 of the law "On the legal regime of martial law."

    Zelensky himself, in a video message on his Telegram channel, said that the removal of the security forces was connected with the facts of high treason on the part of employees of departments. Thus, 651 criminal proceedings were registered under articles on treason and collaborationist activities. Employees of the prosecutor's office, pre-trial investigation and other bodies pass through them.

    The President stressed that such a number of crimes against national security, as well as the connections "recorded between the employees of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and the special services of Russia, raise very serious questions for the relevant leaders."

    Venediktova has been in office since March 2020, before that she was and. about. director of the State Bureau of Investigations. Aleksey Simonenko has been appointed Acting Prosecutor General.

    Bakanov has headed the SBU since August 2019, previously he worked as the first deputy head of the department.

    https://ria.ru/20220717/venediktova-1803095777.html

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:53 pm

    Well, it's a war. The Crimean bridge is a legitimate target.

    You are correct it is... but attacking it will have consequences...

    Zelenskys government is also a legitimate target, as are Kievs supply lines leading into Europe... Laos appears in the world records for most heavily bombed country in the world and its crime was being next door to Vietnam and being used as a supply line by the VC and NVA.

    HATO assets supplying intel to Kiev are also legitimate targets too...

    The thing is that some targets are considered an escalation where the costs will outweigh any of the possible benefits.

    BTW all this time Kiev had Urans and Harpoons all capable of sinking Russian ships and also therefore hitting large fixed structures like bridges yet only ever used it once on one ship... starting to sound a bit unbelievable isn't it?

    This should explain why NATO has not send Patriot SAM to Ukraine.

    Ironically it would be a good reason to send Patriot to Kiev... if the Russians capture it their MIC can claim the whole design is compromised and they need to spend trillions developing a whole new system at an enormous profit to the company of course.

    It's already a war... stop being dumb.

    Russia is only using a fraction of its forces and it is clear it is not doing what HATO did in Serbia dropping bridges and damaging infrastructure to get them to suffer and surrender.

    When i see New York City telling people what to do in the event of a nuclear war I get a chill up by spine that makes me want to know just what the policy makers in this country are planning that would result in New York getting hit by a nuke. I mean it could be fear mongering, and I hope it is, but you never know.

    There was a time when the real fear of nuclear war started anti war movements in several western countries that created changes in those countries to try to avoid making mistakes that could not be undone.

    Perhaps get some practise in with some nuclear survival games...

    Wouldn't it be more effective/safe to do a negotiation via Zoom? LOL

    Not from my perspective... Twisted Evil

    Some high rank Ukrainian Airforce officers died in Vinnitsa. We have 2 confirmed by Ukrainians. First one is a colonel.

    Can I order two of those cakes now please?

    Another M777 gone:

    Interesting it is sitting inside the tree line not out in the open and easy to see or target.

    “As military professionals, we see a relatively stable regime in Russia. President Putin has been able to crush any opposition...and none of those at the top [of power] have the heart to challenge President Putin,” Radakin added.

    As military professionals they are probably looking at the stupid choices and games your own politicians play to give any potential pro west alternative Russian politician nothing to work with... hey they don't spend money they don't have to pay their nurses and healthcare workers more after all these years of Covid, but they can spend more money they also don't have on Kiev to kill more Russian soldiers... support me in my campaign to Russian government on my policy of being nice to the west... the west is giving them no choice.

    And Putin didn´t crush the opposition, he is elected by the people and has their full support.

    It is western politicians that are crushing the Russian opposition by not giving them a bone they can offer like the bones they are throwing at Kiev and Tiblisi etc etc.


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    Post  Ned86 Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:02 pm

    For people (like Vann) asking "where is Russian Air Force?"
    Well, just have a look through the window and you'll see it Smile
    https://t.me/intelslava/33301

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:17 pm

    What real fear looks like, on the verge of panic. This video shows the reaction of a Ukrainian military giving an interview when a Russian Su-25 suddenly flies over them. The video is VERY LOUD, be careful. I think that the facial expressions and the look of this military man say much more than any words:

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    Post  Isos Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:27 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Isos wrote:It's already a war... stop being dumb.

    Stop being dumb yourself, if they would want the full war package they would have declared war to Russia, which they didn't. Because it would mean utter destruction of the country and their leadership on the spot, closure of gas transit etc etc etc. Ze and the rest of 404 leadership should thread carefully the path of ramping tensions with Russia or the carrot part of them serving US interests will very fast turn into being torn to tiny bits by a Russian missile, in the best case. The idiots think they should only fear retaliation by CIA and their nazi goons, but they are DEAD WRONG

    Putin doesn't want to go at full power because it will destroy the people and their economy which will make it difficult to stay there on the long term. They don't want to face the same situation as americans in Iraq when, even if the iraqi military was totally destroyed, they had to face an angry population in a country with no economy and no jobs for its population.

    But this is a war. Like it or not. When a country send 150-200k soldiers in an other country, fight its military, launch cruise missiles at its military bases, use its fighter jets to destroy its planes... it's an invasion and a war.

    Seriously some of you need to slow down on sucking russians. You can argue on why it is happening but not on what is happening because what is happening is a war.

    Calling it "a special operation" is just to counter the NATO propaganda to show that they are fighting the NATO sponsored nazis and not the ukrainians as westerns wants to make people believe.
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    Post  Scorpius Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:32 pm


    Another video, presumably of the arrival of "Kinzhal"

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:05 am

    This is a victory for Aleksandr Vasilyevich Bortnikov, for hell is breaking loose among Volodymyr Olexandrovych's security forces:

    Zelensky explained the dismissal of the heads of the SBU and the State Prosecutor's Office with the connections of the security forces with Russia, 17.07.2022.

    In Ukraine, 651 cases of treason and collaboration activities of employees of the SBU and the Prosecutor General’s Office are being investigated, and suspicion has already been filed in 198 cases, Zelensky said. He noted that this raises "very serious questions"

    The decision to dismiss the head of the SBU Ivan Bakanov and Prosecutor General Irina Venediktova was made in connection with “very serious questions” to them due to the connection of employees of departments with Russia. This was stated by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Telegram.

    According to him, by this day, 651 criminal proceedings have been registered under articles on high treason and collaboration activities of employees of the prosecutor's office, pre-trial investigation departments and other law enforcement agencies. In 198 cases, the defendants have already been charged with suspicion. The President of Ukraine noted that more than 60 employees of the prosecutor's office and the SBU continued to work in the territories occupied by Russia.

    “Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state and ties that have been recorded between employees of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and the special services of Russia raise very serious questions for the relevant leaders. Each of these questions will receive a proper answer,” Zelensky said.

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2022/62d467cf9a7947b4ffa5681a

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